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Offline PlayingOutpost0-24

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« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2004, 09:38:31 AM »
BUT if you look at COLONY GAMES, you should see it IS dynamic. And I rarely play multiplayer, how can I remember it...  :whistle:  
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« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2004, 12:34:19 PM »
Actually, I don't think the mining beacons in colony games are dynamic....so far I've only seen 3 ore layouts for each colony game. :whistle:

On some maps(mainly multi) the ore does move slightly though.
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« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2004, 12:47:35 PM »
Not to mention that some ore yields just always remain the same. Such as the Computer Player in La corrida always gets a 3-bar rare and 3-bar common.
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« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2004, 01:04:05 PM »
I meant YIELD not LAYOUT!
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« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2004, 01:38:18 PM »
I am talking about both Yield and Layout. Let me explain how the OP2 mining beacon process works.

On a Map, Mining beacons are all placed in pre-defined coordinates, after that, the Beacon will than have a setting, Dynamic, or Static.  If it is static, than you basically can choose weither its Rare or Common, or weither its 1 bar, 2 bar, or 3 bar. If it is Dynamic, than I believe that it completely randomizes it, it can be Common or Rare, 1 bar, 2 bar, or 3 bar.

Although, that is what I remember, I think some recent evidence has showed that they may infact be static 100 percent, with there being 'Beacon layouts' that are randomly picked from a list, which determines all mines yields and what they are at once.
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« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2004, 01:46:55 PM »
I'm not stupid, I know all this stuff! LAYOUT=STATIC, YIELD=DYNAMIC in COLONY GAMES
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« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2004, 02:01:09 PM »
Whatever. I have no idea what you are even trying to get across. You are saying that all yields are dynamic and all locations are static in Colony games, which is not so.
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« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2004, 02:02:59 PM »
Well Layout is just almost static. There is a fix place and then ex. +- 5
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« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2004, 02:08:09 PM »
Layout is ALWAYs static in OP2, simply because if it was dynamic, it would really suck if a mining beacon was placed on impassible terrain.

Type and Yield are dynamic, ALWAYS.
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« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2004, 02:13:51 PM »
although often the game puts high yeald mining becons in the path of lava, so you would build your mine there and then it would be destroyed

so make sure you can change eathor the lava flow, or the path of lava, unless you feel like being evil like sierra
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« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2004, 02:13:55 PM »
RED13: I said that first... ****
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« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2004, 02:15:29 PM »
Sierra is dead, BTW.
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« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2004, 02:19:11 PM »
Sierra is not dead. Yet. :(
But they are evil, it's true
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« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2004, 02:20:20 PM »
Actually, they are DEAD. D-E-A-D. Vivindi shut them down not so long ago.
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« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2004, 02:22:11 PM »
Seems I don't read enough newspaper...
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« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2004, 02:26:53 PM »
Free games, free game downloads... a bit slow page...good game...Half-Life 2

I'm going away for a half hour. FRIENDS is now on TV.
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« Reply #42 on: June 26, 2004, 02:28:54 PM »
It is supposed to show the article which basically says outright that Sierra is shutting down.
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« Reply #43 on: June 26, 2004, 02:31:21 PM »
If you are speaking of the Half-Life 2, then it is the good URL.
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« Reply #44 on: June 29, 2004, 04:21:16 PM »
Just to clear things up a bit....

Outpost 2 is perfectly capable of randomizing the location, type of ore, and yield of all mines. In practice however, most of them are set to a predefined area with a predefiend ore and a predefined yield. Outpost 2 exports a function for generating random numbers which can be used when placing the mining beacons. It would be very easy to have a beacon randomly placed anywhere on the map or just anywhere inside of a predefined box. Placing the becaon somewhere in a box eliminates the problem of placing them on impassible terrain and even if a beacon was to be placed on impassible terrain, it would likely be moved. I know that if a building is placed on impassible terrain, it is moved to the closest location where it can be built.

Also, there isn't any sort of table in the DLLs that contain these values. It all hard coded troughout the DLLs.

Oh, and here's some interesting trivia for you. There are actually 9 types of yields defined in the game. Each x bar mine has 3 variants. The initial ore yields of each variant are all the same but they differ in their peak ore yields and their long run yields. So... I guess that's potentially something else to add to the editor.
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« Reply #45 on: June 29, 2004, 05:23:56 PM »
Basically

1-bar: High, Medium, Low yield
2-Bar: High, Medium, Low yield
3-Bar: High, Medium, Low yield

There are your nine values.
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« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2004, 02:01:19 PM »
Then, technically, aren't there 18 yields?   :unsure:

Common 1 Bar: High, Medium, Low
Common 2 Bar: High, Medium, Low
Common 3 Bar: High, Medium, Low

Rare 1 Bar: High, Medium, Low
Rare 2 Bar: High, Medium, Low
Rare 3 Bar: High, Medium, Low
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« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2004, 06:41:38 PM »
nope
Rare 1-bar: Normal, Increased (by research)
Rare 2-bar: Normal, Increased (by research)
Rare 3-bar: Normal, Increased (by research)

Common 1-bar: Normal, Increased (by research)
Common 2-bar: Normal, Increased (by research)
Common 3-bar: Normal, Increased (by research)

EDIT: oh forget it havent read Hooman's post but i expirienced these in game
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« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2004, 08:11:13 PM »
PlayingOP2 is right.

The 3 'yields' for each # of bars are what you get when you improve yield by research (Metallogeny and Smelter Postprocessing increase this.)

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« Reply #49 on: August 17, 2004, 04:34:57 AM »
lol im right... now thats rare.
anyway then i shouldve written this:

Rare 1-bar: Normal, Increased, Highly Increased
Rare 2-bar: Normal, Increased, Highly Increased
Rare 3-bar: Normal, Increased, Highly Increased

Common 1-bar: Normal, Increased, Highly Increased
Common 2-bar: Normal, Increased, Highly Increased
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