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Offline knux

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« on: April 05, 2004, 08:53:48 PM »
For my work on op3, I've been playing op2 again. (it's been a while)
But as I played, I noticed something.
Plastic is used a lot when producing things, but how do they make it?
Plastic comes from petroleum, so how did they make it on new terra?
hmm.....
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2004, 10:20:51 PM »
Mabey they have a way to materialize something out of dust particles? lol.
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2004, 10:37:03 PM »
I would assume that they get all the materials directly from the ore.
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2004, 10:38:38 PM »
They must have figured out how to make a polymer from the ore. That's my guess.
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2004, 07:08:24 AM »
They could extract hydrogen from the atmosphere or a gas giant nearby, and carbon from the soil. Plastic is a hydrocarbon.

Doesn't necessarily have to come from oil.
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2004, 08:19:31 AM »
Hacker's not just a programmer eh? He's truely a man of many talents.
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2004, 11:33:19 PM »
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I would assume that they get all the materials directly from the ore.
You see there's the problem....
You did organic chemistry in high school?

Ore is metal, while plastic and polymers are hydrocarbons. You must have hydrogen, oxygen and carbon. Doesn't come from rock.
Carbon only exists in the soil if there are plants. No plants on new terra. (not including the ones eden made)

Getting it from a gas giant? But they're back on the ground? That's a very costly way to make a chocolate bar wrapper.

Possibly they get it from the agridomes? They have made plants that produce plastic here.
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2004, 11:58:20 PM »
Let's just assume that it's transparent aluminum and not plastic. :heh:
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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2004, 09:33:55 AM »
What if it's not plastic at all. Maybe it's some kinda new material not found here on earth at present time.
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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2004, 09:44:32 AM »
Here's another possibility.

They could engineer atoms, that is take a metal, for example, iron (atomic #28), and "smash off" excess protons and neutrons until they get carbon (#6).

That has been done here on earth (yes, in our world = example: Nuclear reactor) just not on large scale amounts.

So maybe they figure out how to do it on the large scale.
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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2004, 10:18:23 AM »
anyone who has taken basic chemistry in HS knows about fusion and fision, how one atom can become another.
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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2004, 10:27:59 AM »
So there you go Knux, at least 2 good answers.
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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2004, 04:09:55 PM »
Are you sure, there isn't any carbon in form of coal? And oxygen, I believe, is included in ore.

Well, transparent aluminium would of course be a solution, too. :lol:

 
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2004, 04:20:10 PM »
*gives the volka 'live long and prosper' sign*

trekkie thing.
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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2004, 07:24:47 PM »
I believe their called Vulcans.






 
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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2004, 07:51:58 PM »
yes, kiith, I know that.  How mnay times do I have to say that I don't check my spelling?
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« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2004, 08:16:26 PM »
12,

But Volka!, it looks and sounds a bit like vodka




 
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« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2004, 08:38:39 PM »
no, 72
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« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2004, 08:56:03 PM »
TOPIC!

Actually, I haven't taken Chemistry yet.. I will in College though.

Note that they never really defined ore, did they? It could contain everything they need, or by use of the agridomes.. either that or the colonists don't wear clothing.. hey Emma... ! Anyway.. yea..
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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2004, 09:01:56 PM »
lol, x, remember, G-ratinG!
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« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2004, 09:30:46 PM »
Oxygen that we breathe is not oxygen, it is dioxygen. Plants produce dioxygen.

For Eden's terraforming experiments to work at all, the Blight would have to extract oxygen from the crust of New Terra.
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« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2004, 12:42:18 AM »
Im glad I don't have to take chemistry in college for my major, once is enoughf!

Although it was fun to see the football players sniffing the fumes from the hydrocloric acid. lol.

But anyways, Xfir is right, ore is not really defined as any specific substance, It could be a combination of substances for all we know!
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« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2004, 06:09:25 AM »
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Are you sure, there isn't any carbon in form of coal? And oxygen, I believe, is included in ore.

Well, transparent aluminium would of course be a solution, too. :lol:
But coal is a fossil fuel. Which implies fossils....


ALL: Yes....knux.....


Sounds stupid but that means the coal comes from plants and animals that have rotted down. There haven't been any plants or there is no evidence of plants/animals so no coal. Infact the planet seems to lack any ecosystem at all. Must be too young or has a trapped water source.  
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« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2004, 10:18:09 AM »
That gets me wondering,
If they don't have any coal, they can't refine ore.


So they must use electricity or something to refine the ore.


 
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« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2004, 11:11:15 AM »
This is one interesting conundrum (/me is laughing at the word).  But how do we know the metal used for the Conastoga (spelling?) wasn't an alloy with a lot of carbon in it?  Seeing as we have the ability to artificially make diamonds using pencil lead, I don't see why they couldn't find a way by that time period to extract the carbon from the modules that came down and turn it into coal.  Once they have all that started, you also have to remember that there is more CO2 in the air than is need for the plants, so how do we know they can't extract some Carbon from that?  The possibilites are endless.  
(BTW, knux, because Carbon is an element, couldn't it have another existant form under different conditions that we just do not know about because it isn't possible for it to go into because of the conditions on Earth?)
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