War and Religion

[Kiith Somtaaw]

Yeah Post here to Debate about War and Religion.



War and Religion Sucks.

[ZeusBD]

Religion is a vital part of our country. 86% of the coutry believe in a god of some sort. I believe in what I feel in my heart, not just what I can see.

[Phantom]

It's called faith, to believe what you cannot see.
There is no proof that God does not exist, and there is no proof for the arguments made against him. Such as the Big Bang, and Evolution.


Whether war is bad depends on the reasons for fighting

In many cases war is nessessary and in no case is it ever pointless.

But, as long as people continue to act upon selfish desires, such as revenge, or otherwize (Radicals as an example) there will always need to be a need to defend against them in wars, battles, skirmishes, etc.

Plus, as long as the mexican border stays open, terrorists will get in.

[ZeusBD]

Mexican border? Try the Canadian border. approximately 3000 border patroler's for approx 3000 miles of border. That is where they will come in. Or through the unpoliced great lakes.

[Phantom]

Well, the thing is that the travel commission isn't going to fingerprint and picture Canadian or Mexican visitors like they have been on European visitors.

Bad Idea.
Terrorists come through both mexico and canada.

The 9/11 terrorists came through mexico.

[ZeusBD]

I meant that it is easier to come through the top than from the bottom. Just because it is done one way once, doesn't mean that it won't be done differently the second time.

[Phantom]

Yah, but as of now, more people come in illegaly through mexico than through canada.

Oh, and I don't by that garbage about them coming here to work.

A survey of californian prisons show that 80% of inmates are illegals who have committed crimes other that illegal entry into the country.

However, I think that Canada is an equally great security risk, however, they are highly secure from people entering in from other countries into canada, where as Mexico is not.

It is harder for a terrorist to get into Canada than into Mexico.

But I think that we should close off those borders to ne1 that is not a U.S. citizen.

That is the only way to stop terrorrism other than destroying every arab nation in the world. Sad to say.

[ZeusBD]

Actually Canada doesn't do the greatest job protecting their border's compared to the U.S. since they haven't experienced what we have. And blocking out everyone but US citizens would go against what we stand for.

[Phantom]

Yes, it does go against what we stand for,

However, it is either us or them.

The process at least needs great reform, and we can't give amnesty to illegals, illegals should be imprisoned or exported.

[Kiith Somtaaw]

There should be a big wall around the US.

lol




 

[ZeusBD]

What we do is with illegal immigrants from Mexico is we send them back to Mexico where they get realeased right away and then a couple days later they're going back across the border. There needs to be a better way to do things.

[Phantom]

Exactly!

I say we invade mexico and make it a territory!  

[ZeusBD]

Lol, then we would have to have the approval of Congress. The US can not acquire new property without the approval of Congress. Like how Puerto Rico wants to join the US, they have to get the approval of Congress first. IF we wanted to invade somewhere, then the President could do that, but to sieze it for ours, Congress would have to Okay it.

[Kiith Somtaaw]

Great, Make it so.


US Picking on a weaker country. lol


Great Fun!

 

[Phantom]

lol, yah, we need better lobbyists in the area of aquiring territory.

I am quoting a radio talk show host:

Borders, Language, Culture.

Can you guess who?

[ZeusBD]

Kiith, are there supposed to be picture's there?

[Kiith Somtaaw]

Pictures Where?






 

[Phantom]

lol, I think you are confused Zeus

[ZeusBD]

Great, Make it so.


US Picking on a weaker country. lol


Great Fun!

I thought that there were supposed to be picture's in between.

[TH300]

I don't think, religion is a good reason for war or terrorists' attacks.
Thus I dislike the terrorists.
Another point is the war declared to the Islam by Bush who isn't much better. You cannot fight violence with violence. There will always be terrorists, bcz there will be ppl who are not content with the political system. And - what ever you do - they will always find a way to attack their adversary.

[Phantom]

There is no other way to fight terrorists than with violence.

These terrorrists are willing to kill themselves in order to kill civilians. The other option is to have them destroy us with no retaliation.

Yes terrorrist will always be around, but the worst thing anyone can do is to do nothing.

Terrorrist will attack and keep attacking until they get there goal accomplished, which right now is to kill Christians and Jews (Westerners)
And they will not stop untill we are all dead or go over to there side.

So  we are given three choices,to surrender, to fight, or to die.

[Luweeg64]

I don't think, religion is a good reason for war or terrorists' attacks.
Thus I dislike the terrorists.
Another point is the war declared to the Islam by Bush who isn't much better. You cannot fight violence with violence. There will always be terrorists, bcz there will be ppl who are not content with the political system. And - what ever you do - they will always find a way to attack their adversary.

Bush didn't declare war on Islam, he declared war on the terrorists and the people and countries that harbor them, which I think were his exact words.  The terrorists are extremists that don't correctly understand their relegion.

[ZeusBD]

He actually said that we will make no distinction between the terrorists and the countries that harbor them, which basically means what you said Luweeg. I agree, the worst thing that we can do is to do nothing. Has anything happened here since, no. They see that by attacking us they lost 2 of their Islamic countries. We have to strike back at least 10 fold over what they do or they'll keep doing it. Look at Spain, they got attacked and all they did was pull their people out of Iraq, which is what the terrorist want, so they'll probably get attacked again if something arises with them. They showed the terrorist that they are weak. We showed that we are not weak.

[Phantom]

Right on!

Any country that harbors terrorists should be punished in the same way.

I guess they don't take us seriously cause of what Bill Clinton did.

Well, now they should, as Saddam is in jail. lol.

[ZeusBD]

They shoulda waited till we had a Democrate in office. Then they wouldn't have lost both of those countries. We need a Republican in the office for our own defense. John Kerry wants us out of there, so we can't have him in there (The oval office). We need Bush back in if we are going to stay safe.