If people are being consistent troublemakers and as a result can't hardly play Outpost 2 since they are cut off from communication... well, these are people that I'd rather not keep around the community.
I am not concerned about people who won't play. Fact is that people have been banned who I was able to play many games with. Being a "troublemaker" and playing op2 is not a contradiction.
Being a troublemaker and being at OPU is.
As such, if you make the channel yourself, it may or may not be considered "aiding and abetting" these individuals.
I am not someone who encourages disruptive behaviour. I will even urge them to stop it, but I won't ban quickly. I believe that people can learn if they understand. And to make them understand is a good Op's task, not to ban if the Op is not capable of doing that.
Now, what do you mean with "aiding"? Aiding in playing Outpost2? Do you not want that people play Outpost2?
More like not want them at OPU. If they consistently fail to practice proper etiquette, they have no business being here; other corners of the internet, except perhaps 4chan, would be no more welcoming to those types. What you're not realizing is the people who you always use as examples when you've made these arguments in the past have not just broken a rule, but they have done so
consistently, despite all measures that were taken on our part in response.
It is not too much to ask from people that they follow the rules, such as the one that forbids spamming. (We even have a spam forum and a spam channel (#Outpost2.lobby) and people still break that rule!)
The spam rule is reasonable. But banning for spam that happened with no bad intents is at least questionable.
Spam is spam, which is in violation of the rules; the intent of the perpetrator is irrelevant, only the intent of the rule matters.
You aren't an admin or an op (being a moderator on the now de-facto-defunct Genesis forums doesn't exactly count for anything) and therefore haven't personally had the displeasure of having to deal with the multiple people who think that the rules don't apply to them; it's gotten pretty ridiculous.
Maybe its ridiculous from your point of view. No, I didn't have to deal with such people directly, but I met them and I found that I could talk reasonably with them.
I and the other admins attempted the same thing, believe it or not, and it changed nothing. You realize that some of these users have gotten far more than a standardish (three) amount of warnings before other punishments were enacted? If you're asking that we give them a "second chance", you're a little late for that, since many have already been given second chances, and third chances, and... [...]
I'll also make it clear, once again, that we are not going back to being extremely lenient - that policy has proven time and time again to be a failure over the years. We are still significantly more lenient than most other communities.
Pointing to other people is always easy. How can you be sure that they're doing it the right way? Why do you think that opu works the same way as other communities do?
Actually, I said OPU doesn't work the same way as other communities. You should probably try reading some time. Also, those other communities sure seem far more effective at kicking problems out the door, but I've also seen a couple examples of communities where the admins are virtually trolls. I can tell you with certainty that, if the administration here bothers you, you won't even be able to fathom how things work at most of these other places. People have it relatively very easy here, and in the not all too distant past, it was even easier.
If you desire that more games be played, perhaps you should try to bring new and more pleasant members, rather than advocating that we keep old troublemakers around.
I have reasons for what I do and do not. Thats my business.
When your business involves keeping around people who can't follow a simple rule and find their actions noticed by the administration, it goes beyond your own interests.
Like I said, I'm all for a channel that's specifically for organizing games, but throwing an unwarranted bone to users who can't resist getting themselves banned is too much.
