You all keep talking about how things NEED to happen, but what actions are taking to MAKE them happen?
Fact: OPU died a long time ago. We've just been keeping it on life support.
That's not a really good attitude to have.. if OPU was really dead then these forums would probably not be here. (nor would any one of us be posting on them).
And part of the reason this thread is here to get people into gear, working on stuff. There are lots of opportunities, no one exercises these opportunities.
Fact: OP3 will NEVER be finished, because the people in charge of the groups have their own visions. They will only pull together if their vision of what OP3 should be is fully incorperated.
I agree with that. People need to band together. My feeling about OP3 is, everyone should get together and make a version that overall the community likes. Then, if you want to add features to make it your own form / version of OP3, go ahead and modify it to your liking.
Fact: The members of OPU are getting worse over time. Take a moment to look through the old forums of this community. At Kevin AR's forum, everyone was happy, no one flamed, no one swore, everyone got along or didn't talk to/about/towards those they didn't care for. At kiler's forum, the spamming started. When xfir ran the forums, things got a little better for a short time. Then the community started growing with new players and some of the old players were harrassing the new players! WTFH is up with that? I saw people bragging when they beat someone who was playing multi for the first f***ing time! And now, we got people at eachother's throats half the time!
Refer to my earlier post (trying to get people to use more tact online). This is also partly related to the admin corruption type of thing. It seems often that we try to deal with someone who is acting like a moron we get stereotyped as the "spam nazis" or people want justification for why someone was kicked, banned, or their posts deleted, some screaming "power abuse" all the way.
The simple fact is, none of this (the way people are treating one another) is going to change if we have to justify every administrative or moderation action with everyone else. We're just going to have to go ahead and do it. As I said already, we have rules posted, if people break the rules, there aren't going to be too many exceptions.
And sometimes perhaps we should be even MORE vigilant in punishing people who sit and flame each other or get into an hour long argument about a game.
Fact: The outpost serries is dead. People are graphics whores. They take one look at OP1 and OP2, see the '96 graphics and turn thier noses up at it. However, this one can be changed VERY easily.
A lot of that is just out of our control. People are obsessed with the latest 3D effects, we can't suddenly change that. This is the case with most old games, not just OP2. And of course it doesn't help that OP1 was a flop, and OP2 didn't get near the exposure it should have in stores. But again, there is nothing we can do to change this.
To the programmers: PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES! If I could code, I'd be gathering you all up together into a single group, and helping you get the projects finished 1 at a time. However, I don't know how to code yet, so you guys will have to pull yourselves together, find the porject that has the most done, finish that one, then work on the next one. Think of it as expansion packs for a core project.
Okay, comments like this can get a bit irritating after awhile. I know you mean well, but writing an application is rarely something you just sit down and do in a single night. First of all, there aren't a huge number of programmers at OPU. There are very few who can do things such as patches or code analysis on OP2. This requires more than just basic C++ skills (you have to understand assembly and compiler-generated structures at the assembly level, etc). This makes it hard for every single person to get together and work on the same project (everyone has varying skills and different amounts of time in which they can work).
Also, when people tell me to "get to work on a project NOW" I tend to get rather irritated at that.
I do agree that projects need to actually get completed though, instead of just sitting there unfinished.
To the members of OPU: STOP LISTENING TO THE NEWS FFS! Turn off that TV, put down that newspaper, and put on some good music. s*** happens everyday, if it's important, you'll hear about it without the news. Calm down, and stop being so f***ing paranoid all the time. The other day, I got a private message in IRC from someone trying to get me to tell hacker to take away horus's possision on the forums and IRC because he thought Horus was trying to take over outpost completely and comercialise it. Now, Horus can be an ass at times, but I know he would not do that.
Yes, I agree with not watching the mainstream news (they twist and sensationalize everything), but what does that have to do with OPU?
As for the claim that Horus was attempting to commercialize it, I'll say again, it's getting very frustrating listening to people who want to take everything they hear about a new project and think of it as some kind of "conspiracy." Horus is NOT attempting to commercialize OPU, nor would any of us let that happen. In fact, if these 'conspiracy theories' keep happening, we might need to start laying out some temp bans to get the people involved to shape up. I hate to say this, but if every new thing like Colony3 appears to a certain few as some sort of 'plot' or 'conspiracy' to destroy OPU, we have to deal with them one way or another.
As to reviving the interest in the Outpost games: MAKE SOME VIDS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! If we make a bunch of in game vids to promote OP2, and post them on all the most-used vid servers, then people will see them! If people see them, they will get interested. Interested people = new members!
That does sound like a good idea. Again, we should finish some form of NAT passthrough support (another unfinished project
), once that is done no one should have problems being able to play OP2.
