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Cutting tubes at start new person and should not be done?

Yes, very new person. NEVER do.
4 (50%)
Yes, very new person, but allowed.
0 (0%)
No, allowed, after all it is no rules.
4 (50%)

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Offline Angellus Mortis

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« on: August 29, 2010, 04:01:43 PM »
I was in a 2v1 match against Zhall and LORDOFPAIN and Zhall thinks it is acceptable to cut my tubes when I am already against 2 of them. Opinions? I personally think it is  a move one would do because they are too afraid to lose.

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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2010, 04:10:55 PM »
It generally ruins the "spirit of the game" and ultimately gets old very fast... It is also frowned upon within most of the community (i think?).

as for zhuall and his 'rofl's it was very inmature.... i think he should stop the spaming use of 'rofl' for the time being before he gets a penalty of some sort...

(tbh i was laughing pretty hard on my seat) mainly for the stupidity

also we could of avoided this if i had told you about that earthworker, though i did not know it would end the game... i did however see it parked with its lighs off... had i known it would ruin the game i would of told you... or warn zhall...

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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2010, 02:15:12 AM »
Your poll question, it makes little sense.

How exactly does cutting off a CC end the game? The CC is the fail condition, as far as I know.

How early in the game did it happen? If it happens before any form of defense can be set up, then yeah, not nice. But if it happens after your target has weaponry, well... then your target needs to pay better attention: innocent.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2010, 07:29:30 AM »
No this was like right after I got my CC and other factories built. It seriously screwed up my early game production.

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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2010, 10:24:39 AM »
Personally, I consider this a legit tactic. Though indeed, it is somewhat low and I rarely resort to it unless I am pressed early game.

Reason i consider it legit: It is fairly easy to stop, and if it fails, it leaves the aggressor in a bad position.


Also, this tactic can be avoided by leaving some distance between you and your opponents or the way you set up your base.



And please, fix the questions for the poll so that they are understandable.
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2010, 10:58:27 AM »
They'd make more sense if Hooman would stop being a censor-nazi.  n0[size=0] [/size]0b gets automatically changed to "new person".  Of course, you all know the various ME[size=0] [/size]S HA[size=0] [/size]L stuff is getting censored, but you can't even say "has [size=0] [/size]sex with" (on a slightly related note, how did you find that out Arklon?).  It gets changed to "procreate with".  What is this, the Sesame Street forums?!

Anyways, here's what I'm guessing the original questions were:
Yes, very n0[size=0] [/size]0b. NEVER do.
Yes, very n0[size=0] [/size]0b, but allowed.
No, allowed, after all it is no rules.
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2010, 12:44:16 PM »
Ill admit it was a (p*nis) move. Rofl even p3n!$ got censored.

You know what i meant

Yes yes fine the unspoken rules are almost always

NO TUBE CUTTING
NO EMP MISSILE SPAM
NO MARK CHEATING BM OR AM
NO SPEEDGEARING? I dont know if it even works with op2..
NO... Lagging out? lol

And come on, he had a three bar, i and my team mate were done for if not for elfish tactics.
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2010, 02:17:54 PM »
Cutting tubes early in game when players don't have combat units is not acceptable for me. It just ruins the game.

As soon as players can defend themselves, tube cutting will probably anyway stop working. And if it still works, its the player's fault. But since that is probably very rare, most people don't cut tubes.

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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2010, 02:40:41 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2010, 03:05:52 PM »
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Anyways, here's what I'm guessing the original questions were:
Yes, very n0[size=0] [/size]0b. NEVER do.
Yes, very n0[size=0] [/size]0b, but allowed.
No, allowed, after all it is no rules.
Yes. Correct. I did not even see the censor.

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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2010, 11:58:26 AM »
Bottom line as far as I'm concerned:

if you cut someone's tube before they have any chance of defending themselves, you are beyound just a new person.  There is no excuse for it.  It's a lot like killing a child because they might one day become the next hitler.
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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2010, 12:05:13 PM »
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if you cut someone's tube before they have any chance of defending themselves, you are beyound just a new person.  There is no excuse for it.  It's a lot like killing a child because they might one day become the next hitler.
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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2010, 03:04:51 PM »
Just blow up his earthy before it cuts any tubes ? Then send your earthy his way and return the favor.

You can always defend from this tactic unless your opponent manages to sneak into your base..
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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2010, 05:29:04 PM »
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What is this, the Sesame Street forums?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Wd-Q3F8KM
OMG ROFLMFAO!!!

btw i am curious who in there right minds would check the 3rd answer in this poll because the answer within the community is obvious: the 1st!!!!

oh and need i mention that building an advlab near enemy vital structs (or building a power plant or even spaceport) is also n()()bish? it fallls under disrespect becuase you are anoying the other player by playing the game the way it's not suppost to be played and ruining it for everyone who wants to enjoy a nice long game of op2. This is CLEARY against the rules... (Or at least should be for the better good of opu community).
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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2010, 07:17:09 PM »
why would someone do that.... its 1800(?) common ore down the tubes. and if they are a new person like you say they are then that ore is very much needed.  
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« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2010, 09:24:47 PM »
I don't have a problem with the tactic once the game has progressed to the point where you have some form of defence available, but when the game is just starting and you haven't even gotten a chance to research defenses it is just a no-honor tactic and a good way to get people to stop playing against you.
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« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2010, 09:46:06 PM »
i agree
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« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2010, 12:14:02 AM »
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Just blow up his earthy before it cuts any tubes ? Then send your earthy his way and return the favor.

You can always defend from this tactic unless your opponent manages to sneak into your base..
Um.. with what convecs? I guess it could be possible by detonating em, and you dont need your surveyor or dozer anyway.
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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2010, 03:40:55 AM »
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Um.. with what convecs? I guess it could be possible by detonating em, and you dont need your surveyor or dozer anyway.
Exactly.

SD your own earthy + surveyor and accept the loss
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Use surveyor and 1 (or 2) convecs, then send your own earthy to opponents base.

In any case, best defense for this and most other early game tactics - get some distance between yourself and your opponent.
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« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2010, 04:01:15 AM »
that doesn't help when you are tailed by them early game
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« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2010, 07:21:34 AM »
If they are tailing you, then you have a lot of opportunities to place them in a bad position.

Only a few maps are so small that both of them can tail you in any case. Secondly game rules can be manipulated to avoid this from happening. (Either agree to none of these tactics, or make BM small enough they cannot follow you before BM is up, choose a bigger map etc)
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« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2010, 10:09:39 AM »
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In any case, best defense for this and most other early game tactics - get some distance between yourself and your opponent.
Yeah, doesn't exactly work on LoS maps.

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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2010, 10:11:51 AM »
It was actually on a large map. I had just got my VF and Common Ore Smelter up (started with high res) and my Standard Lab kit had just finished. He cut the tube tom my Common Ore Smelter then my VF.

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« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2010, 05:27:04 PM »
I never use the build mark rule. i just build where ever and when ever i want.... so do my opponents. i do how ever use an attack mark. speaking of witch should self destructing a unit or tube cutting be considered in the attack mark?
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« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2010, 05:48:52 PM »
I'd expect that most people would at least agree that the rules that are set before the game starts must be obeyed. If players agree on a build-mark, don't build before that mark. Also, if players agree that tubes should not be cut, don't cut tubes. If such agreements aren't made, you are free to do (almost) everything. And here is really the problem: the rules have to be made clear before the game starts (usually the hosts task)

Also, since cutting tubes and selfdestructing units near enemy units are offensive acts, they fall under the attack mark.

Some of your questions may also be answered here (although some are also discussed).