Outpost 2: Revamp

[Highlander]

sticky's need to get within range of the GP's in order to do significant damage.

No. Splash damage kills the KD without any damage to plymouth units.

[TH300]

Tubes have no "owner" and thus can't get a color assigned.

The Earthworker looses HP when destroying tubes, because otherwise there would be more annoying Earthworker "attacks" in multiplayer (i.e. people send their Earthworker to the enemy and destroy tubes, before any defense is possible).


I like the Flare and Nova GPs. Don't have to be useful for me. They're just another means for having fun with underpowered enemies.

[Freeza-CII]

Would the answer for the stick would be to shorten its range by one tile so it would have to be in range to kill a gp.

[lordpalandus]

The problem I see is that the game seems to have hard-coded ranges for its weapons because you can't change the range of weapons and make it stick.
 
For example I gave the microwave the range of a Thor's hammer and it only ever attacked things within the vanilla microwave's range.

[Freeza-CII]

it is possible to change it. infact isnt there research in the tech tree to make one of the weapons fire further.

[lordpalandus]

Oh via research it works (ie Extended Range Projectile for EMP and Stickyfoam I think or something) but increasing that value by more won't make it fire any farther.

[Hooman]

I have personally seen modified laser lynxes auto fire nearly half way across the map on Colony, Eden Starship. They were attacking the main enemy base from where they popped out of the vehicle factories near where I started.

... their accuracy at that range lacked something to be desired though. They were sometimes off by a few tiles, so it took a while to kill anything.
 

[CK9]

Actually, there is a little thing that OP2PATRIOT made a LONG time ago that increases the fire range of units.  I don't know what exactly it does to accomplish this, but I personally would discourage its use.  Weapons with already low accuracy have a tendancy to crash the game by fireing off screen.

Edit: ninja'd y hooman

High, the splash damage can (potentially, have only tried this with the eden mining mission and mic's firing at a GP) be negated with a convec on repair duty.  This is another thing I would like to test some time.

[Freeza-CII]

The point is not to make it longer I dont care about that. To make it shorter so the sticky cant be set outside a gp range or even vec range and hit them with splash damage and kill the gp with out ever being engauged.

[Hidiot]

Regarding weapon range: There is a range value in the tech files, so yes, it can be changed to anything, you just have to mind the researches which alter that value.

I've personally tested the effects of ridiculous range and find that the game adds some pretty big errors to shots longer than 10. Heck, the Thor's Hammer should give you a good hint, seeing how it's often enough missing its target, the middle of its target tile.

[CK9]

Is that ONLY for shots longer than 10 tiles?  If so, it shows an attempt to balance out the weapon power...

If we did change the distance files, we would need to change that reserch thing too.


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[Highlander]

Don't worry about range. Better to remove it's damage - at least so that it doesn't damage buildings.

[lordpalandus]

K back to the OP, so what can be patched and fixed that won't be totally controversial or complicated?

[Hooman]

K back to the OP, so what can be patched and fixed that won't be totally controversial or complicated?

That is indeed the question.

Perhaps some polls should be started once the list is narrowed down appropriately.

Perhaps something like the this: Guard Post Patch?
Which also has a result here: Op2 Gp Patch


Of course, what level of agreement needs to be reached to patch the default play environment? (And how do we agree on that level of agreement?)  
 

[TH300]

For independent changes we should just make polls and look for a certain level of agreement. I think, we should be conservative here, and require an agreement of at least 75%. Especially for the changes that will be well visible. Most interface changes belong into this category.

For some changes it is possibly necessary to group them together (e.g. make one plymouth unit weaker and make one eden unit weaker). These groups will probably require a long discussion. Most gameplay changes belong into this category.

[Freeza-CII]

topic separation would be good