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Offline HaXtOr

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« on: May 16, 2006, 04:42:12 PM »
As many of you know there is a big flaw in how our forums are operation curently. I keep reading about many instances where posts have been deleated when they shouldnt have, or the topic was not politicaly correct or fallowed properly.

My solution for this is very simple and will make this community much better.

We need to set up a recycle bin system. Any posts that are deemed "to be deleated" are placed in this bin. any member of the community can still read these posts.

in order for a post to be put in that bin the mod who wants the post deleated must enter a reason as to why the post is being deleated and justify this reasoning. comunity members have the ability to agree or disagree with a yes or no vote after reading the post. if a post has less then 75% agree after a set time, (week or so?) then the post is removed from the bin to its original place , if 75% or more, the post is marked for deleation and will stay available for 30 days after the week voteing time.  

 

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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2006, 04:43:22 PM »
sounds good to me.
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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2006, 04:48:49 PM »
The mods need to be able to quickly get rid of anything that others might find offensive (racist, sexist, etc.). How can they do that if there's a month-long waiting period?
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2006, 05:42:30 PM »
While I think your idea sounds good, I agree with Sirbomber. We really need to have some very clear rules for moderators to follow, but we also shouldn't take too much power away from the mods, there are some cases where posts should be removed right away. If this system could be implemented without taking too much power away from the moderators, it would be great!

What I really want the most is more communication from the moderators to the community. The way moderation is done at the moment leaves the community in complete darkness, and can trigger a huge rant by some members that get upset because their posts just disappears and they don't know why. This has happened before, atleast once as far as I know.

Deletion of posts: Moderators

When moderators remove posts, they should leave a message saying why the posts were deleted. This is done in pretty much all other forums I have been too. If some one flames another member, the moderator either deletes or edits the post, removing either the flammatory or all of the posts content.

If the mod deletes the post, he makes his own post, leaving only a short message like:

 "Post deleted - don't flame"

or if he edits the post, he leaves a <snip> to show where the post was edited, and leaves a message at the bottom of the post:

edit - please don't flame, "mods name"

Preferrably these messages should be in a different color then regular text. Gold text is often used.

editing posts rather deleting is preferred on many forums, even when removing the entire posts content, because it show exactly who made the post and where it was located. The deletion of posts is mostly used when there are alot of posts containing flames, it's a waste of time for the mod to edit every single one.

Exceptions to these rules should be possible to make, but only in a very few certain cases. Some posts should just be removed from the forum right away.

Like advertising threads, like that guy that made a post in the IRC section, advertising some anti-spyware programs. This was even the guys first post on the forums, he just signed up to advertise. This method should very rarely if ever be used on regular members.

Deletion of posts: Regular members

Another problem I currently have noticed, is that regular members can delete their own posts, no matter where in the thread they are. This is also a bad thing and is also done different on almost all forums I've been too.

Regular members should only be allowed to delete their posts when their the last one in the thread, and maybe there should even be a time limit for how long you can delete it. This is if members post something, that they immediatly regret (for what ever reason that may be) can remove it again without anyone noticing.

By making posts undeletable by members, we will never experience that posts just disappear into thin air, which will leave the community member that have seen the post, with a question in their head about what happened to it. Also, no members can use this against moderators, like deleting their own post and accusing a moderator for doing it. (mod abuse)

Discussion of moderation:

Another problem, is that it might cause topics to go off-topic, if people disagree with the mod. Therefor there should be some clear rules about the discussion of moderation.

Discussion of moderation should not be allowed in the thread the posts were deleted in. However, members that feel they've been treated unfairly should be allowed to raise a complaint.

We could have one or members who get the job of looking through complaints from members. Members send in complaints, these guys receive and review them, possibly through some special report system. If they find a complaint severe enough, they and only they can make a post where it can be discussed. Whoever has the job of looking through the complaints should not be a moderator, and should be seen as fair and trustworthy by the community. The downside to this is that sometimes a member may really feel it's mod abuse but the reviewer disagree's, so the community never see's the members complaint.

Another, most likely much better solution is only having a certain section of the forum where it is allowed to post complaints. It's not absolutely necessary to make a new forum section, we can use an already existing one that is suitable for it, like General/Issues/Other. This way, every members voice can be heard!

Anyway, these are just ideas, but I really feel that something like this would be a major improvement to the community, especially for the regular members!
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2006, 05:47:29 PM »
Well with the case of posts needing to be deleated fast, there should be a reason why the post was deleated messaged to the poster. that way they know what they have done wrong

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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2006, 06:29:17 PM »
Yeah, that sounds like a great idea, mods still have their power for when it is needed, and members aren't left in the dark.
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2006, 11:24:10 PM »
Ok here is how I see the mods cant always send a message because of the situation.  And most of these messages you speak of are most likely done automaticly with a generic reply to the deletion or move.

things that wont work
1. Asking others before deleting things.  Because some post need to be gone fast.
2. Sending a message manually for each different situation it might be deleted for.  This takes to much time.
3. Democracy the internet is not the place for it end of that.

Things that will work
1. A auto message for when a post is deleted or moved or even edited.
2. People to be mindful of others and respect them even if they dont deserve it.

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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2006, 06:52:07 AM »
Leaving a message why the post was deleted doesn't take much time. The message should be really short and very clear. Like this "Deleted - no flaming"

Messages like that shouldn't be very hard to make automatic, perhaps make some quick list the mod can pick from, and they don't take long to type either. While they don't go into any depth they make it very clear what the mod deleted the post for.

If almost all other forums do this, and it works. Why shouldn't it work here?
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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2006, 10:39:10 PM »
Having it automated makes it so much easier and there isnt any copy and paste fest or typing it out every time.

One generic message post for when its deleted and one for when its moved thats really all you need not 8 different messages because one post could have serveral things in it.

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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2006, 10:55:49 PM »
I dont know if they have this for forums, but mabe a dropdown list under the delete button, so the mods can easily post the most important reasion for the deleation
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