Author Topic: True Christian?... (Read 12809 times)

jesusfreak06 · « **on:** July 23, 2004, 11:14:14 PM »

I heard a kool story from a church i went to on vaca:
A woman that pulled up behind a man at a red light who was talking on a cell phone. The woman didn't think n e thing of the man, just that she was in a hurry. Well, when the light turned green, the man didn't budge but just kept talking. He did this for the next few rounds and soon the woman became furious. She got out of her car and started screaming. She went up to his window yelling a making obscence gestures. The man became freaked out and drove away. The woman stormed off to her car swearing out loud. Little did she no, there was a cop behind her who saw the whole thing. He walked over to her and arrested her. The woman became even more upset and was very confused.
After about 3 hours at the station the officer released the woman telling her that he had made a mistake. When the woman asked the officer what the mistake was, he replied, "I saw the metal Jesus fish, Jesus Freak liscence plate, and 'I Profess Christ as My Lord' bumper sticker on the back of your car." Naturally when I saw u making those obscene gestures and freaking out on that man I figured your car was stolen.

CK9 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 24, 2004, 12:02:51 AM »

lmao, that's funny.

ZeusBD · « **Reply #2 on:** July 24, 2004, 06:35:33 PM »

Huh?? Why would he arrest her?

CK9 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 24, 2004, 07:12:22 PM »

because of a steriotype of christians that plym has proven to me several times false without knowing it

Ben362 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 25, 2004, 12:17:19 AM »

what steriotype would that be? if a Chrtistian is actually following Christ's teachings then they should be trying to live a Christ like life.

plymoth45 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 25, 2004, 12:47:31 AM »

:s i'm confused now, Some christians can be like that, but very very few are, the ones that are have rejected christ and just say they are christian, unless they repent that is.

ZeusBD · « **Reply #6 on:** July 25, 2004, 07:11:09 AM »

It also depends on how you believe. A lot of people believe in Christ and follow his ways, but not out loud. They don't show it to the outside world, they just believe and talk to him in private. Then some people wear it out on their sleeves and make sure that everyone knows they believe.

Ben362 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 25, 2004, 01:49:09 PM »

some people almost apear to be ashamed of what they beilive. The first group are unfortinatly most likley living a lie, they say they beilive in Christ but then dont follow what he taught. Others actually try to live what Christ taught, there is a third group (every good thing has fanatics)

jesusfreak06 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 25, 2004, 09:13:09 PM »

i like posting stories like this. You see, i'm a born again Christian living in a household of people that agree they don't "practice what they preach." I just want people to know that if they profess their life to God, it should be all or nothing.

plymoth45 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 25, 2004, 09:23:36 PM »

I agree it should be all or nothing, and doesn't this kind of sound like a debate?

ZeusBD · « **Reply #10 on:** July 26, 2004, 10:36:47 AM »

No, this sounds like people talking about christ and christianity.

BlackBox · « **Reply #11 on:** July 26, 2004, 01:27:48 PM »

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:s i'm confused now, Some christians can be like that, but very very few are, the ones that are have rejected christ and just say they are christian, unless they repent that is.

If those people have rejected Christ, they are not Christians, no matter what they call themselves.

Webster's dictionary defines the verb "reject" as:
1a. to refuse to accept, consider, submit to, take for some purpose, or use, 1b. to refuse to hear, receive, or admit.

In other words, forcefully refuse.

You can't call yourself a "Christian" but forcefully refuse to accept Christ.

The general 'steps' or 'process' to becoming a true Christian are:
1. Acknowledge that you are a sinner - to know that you can't do it by yourself and need help from God to 'come clean.'
2. Believe that Jesus is the Christ - believe that Jesus died on a cross to save you from your sin, something that you can't do by yourself.
3. Repent (turn away) from sin - live a Godly life, not a sinful one.
4. Be baptized (this is something that's not very well agreed on by different denominations of Christians... some think without it you are not 'saved', some think opposite, etc. This is a debate for another time. I personally believe that if someone turns to God and wants to be saved, for example they have some terminal illness, etc without being baptized that they WILL be saved, but however baptism is considered an act of obedience and is something that should be done by a true Christian).

God has also commanded Christians to assist in doing good things for his Kingdom, that is bring others to Him, etc.
One point that I want to make clear is that just going to church every week does NOT make you a Christian automatically. (I believe that standard practices that some denominations do, like baptism as a baby, confirmation, etc don't make you a Christian) You can't automatically be a Christian, you have to be willing to live it.

Anyway, back to your question Plymoth:
The amount of Christians like that are greater than you think... In God's eyes all sin is equal, and the punishment for sin is death (going to hell when you physically die). So the majority of Christians have problems with this.
(The bible mentions things that are done mentally can be sin, eg hate, lust, etc)

Hopefully that answers a lot of questions. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask!

ZeusBD · « **Reply #12 on:** July 26, 2004, 03:09:14 PM »

Well, you don't go to Hell when you die if you sin, or else Heaven would be empty. You ask for forgiveness and you are forgiven for you sins. There has only been one person who lived a sinless life, and that would be Jesus Christ. I believe that only God and no man can forgive me for my sins, unlike what the Catholics believe. I worship Jesus Christ, not Mary and I focus more on Jesus after he died on the cross and came back, not focusing on the fact of him being on the cross, which Catholics are more attuned to.

Many people worship God in different ways, some through another human and some talk straight to God. I believe that no Human can forgive sins, but I do believe that as long as you believe and have faith, that you will be accepted into Heaven. Try not to sin and when you do ask for forgiveness, go to church - but not just because you have to, but because you want to worship God in his house.

plymoth45 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 26, 2004, 05:32:14 PM »

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:s i'm confused now, Some christians can be like that, but very very few are, the ones that are have rejected christ and just say they are christian, unless they repent that is.
If those people have rejected Christ, they are not Christians, no matter what they call themselves.

Webster's dictionary defines the verb "reject" as:
1a. to refuse to accept, consider, submit to, take for some purpose, or use, 1b. to refuse to hear, receive, or admit.

In other words, forcefully refuse.

You can't call yourself a "Christian" but forcefully refuse to accept Christ.

The general 'steps' or 'process' to becoming a true Christian are:
1. Acknowledge that you are a sinner - to know that you can't do it by yourself and need help from God to 'come clean.'
2. Believe that Jesus is the Christ - believe that Jesus died on a cross to save you from your sin, something that you can't do by yourself.
3. Repent (turn away) from sin - live a Godly life, not a sinful one.
4. Be baptized (this is something that's not very well agreed on by different denominations of Christians... some think without it you are not 'saved', some think opposite, etc. This is a debate for another time. I personally believe that if someone turns to God and wants to be saved, for example they have some terminal illness, etc without being baptized that they WILL be saved, but however baptism is considered an act of obedience and is something that should be done by a true Christian).

God has also commanded Christians to assist in doing good things for his Kingdom, that is bring others to Him, etc.
One point that I want to make clear is that just going to church every week does NOT make you a Christian automatically. (I believe that standard practices that some denominations do, like baptism as a baby, confirmation, etc don't make you a Christian) You can't automatically be a Christian, you have to be willing to live it.

Anyway, back to your question Plymoth:
The amount of Christians like that are greater than you think... In God's eyes all sin is equal, and the punishment for sin is death (going to hell when you physically die). So the majority of Christians have problems with this.
(The bible mentions things that are done mentally can be sin, eg hate, lust, etc)

Hopefully that answers a lot of questions. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask!

I just relived a sunday school lesson when I read that. You don't HAVE to be baptised to be a christian, as it is basicly just a symbol. I myself was baptised only a few years ago, and even though I don't go to church every sunday like I should, i am still a christian cause I help my church and other people in any way i am capable. I do my best to do what God wants me to do, and even though I try not to sin, no one can not sin except God.

jesusfreak06 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 26, 2004, 09:18:15 PM »

Way to go guys! I'm not baptised (mom wouldn't let me and i have a feeling that my foster parents wouldn't let me either, traditionalists catholics).

Well, i'm glad people can read and talk about this stuff. I can't go to church or participate in Christian things b/c of my Catholic foster parents who think it's a waste of my life being this religious, but hey, I love my Christ, but I still love it when people get up the guts to tell people how it is. If u live ur life for God and he doesn't exist, then u can't lose. But don't live ur life or God and he does, then you might end up in Hell.

ZeusBD · « **Reply #15 on:** July 27, 2004, 07:31:54 AM »

Well put. And Jesus didn't sin either - the only human ever. I really like that people can talk about their religion. Some are shy from doing it in real person, but this is another way to spread the word if you aren't good at it in reality.

garrettsbro · « **Reply #16 on:** July 27, 2004, 07:44:15 AM »

Very true. but really how many people do you know that are on xfir.net? The whole world needs him, but every person counts

ZeusBD · « **Reply #17 on:** July 27, 2004, 07:45:29 AM »

If you even change one person's mind and lead him to Christ, than it was worth all the effort.

garrettsbro · « **Reply #18 on:** July 27, 2004, 07:52:15 AM »

In Revelation (also my christian rock band name:) it says Christ wont come again untill every single person has heard the good news, so i don't know about you but I would really like to see christ come again (thumbsup). so get off these forums and go tell people! j/k.

jesusfreak06 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 27, 2004, 09:42:24 AM »

:lol: garrettsbro, ur goofey. lol. I agree. There are millions of people who haven't even heard the name Christ Jesus. I can't talk bout religion at home b/c it affends my foster parents. I love the fact that i can come on here and talk about it. (thumbsup)

ZeusBD · « **Reply #20 on:** July 27, 2004, 10:35:07 AM »

Well Garrettsgirl, I personally will be glad to talk about him with you. I like talking about him.

plymoth45 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 27, 2004, 12:05:47 PM »

I don't think i know a christian that doesn't like to talk about him

ZeusBD · « **Reply #22 on:** July 27, 2004, 12:08:42 PM »

Like I said before, there are the shy one's that keep their faith to themselves.

BlackBox · « **Reply #23 on:** July 27, 2004, 01:45:18 PM »

And there is no reason to be shy about God.

garrettsgirl, have you tried to share God with your foster parents? maybe not verbally but I'm sure there is a way to 'soften' them and be more receptive.

And if your other parents don't want you to get baptized? Be baptized anyway.. the Bible says to not let anything get in the way of being obedient to Him. (They don't have to know about it either)

well, appears that I should get off the computer before my eyes burn anymore (lucky me to forget my glasses when I know I can't look at a computer screen for more than 10 min without them).

jesusfreak06 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 27, 2004, 03:56:41 PM »

yeas i have tried to share my faith w/ my family. They told me that they don't wanna hear about that stuff (matt. 13:35 says something like the members of your own household won't believe you when it comes to CHrist b/c they'd have to change and they won't want to.) I get in trouble for talkign bout God all the time so i don't mention him around them which is a major bummer. Also, it was my mom's wishes for me to not get baptised. She couldn't stand the fact that i loved something other than her (rest her soul). Towards the end of her death she refused to let me go to church b/c she wanted me all to herself. Besides, my church told me that even though they wanna baptise me and i wanna be baptised, mom said no and they believe in listening to parents wishes. Mark and Karen (my foster parents) hate the fact that i'm not Catholic and i think it might even be that they can c i have a stronger relationship w/ God than them.

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