Author Topic: Hosting Concerns (Read 4832 times)

leeor_net · « **on:** September 13, 2005, 07:46:09 PM »

I have recently become aware of unauthorized use and movement of copyrighted files on someone's hosting site and I have to say that I am particularly outraged.

I am more shocked by the RESPONSE that was given as: We retain the rights to everything we host.

Unless you had A SPECIFIC AGREEMENT that the HOSTEE AGREED TO, you have NO CLAIM TO ANY INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY! In addition, ALL INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY IS AUTOMATICALLY COPYRIGHT TO THE CREATOR.

I will be the first to say that there are certain things that I'm willing to tolerate and if someone is going to steal MY work because the are 'hosting' it than I'm going to leave immediatly. Great... you're providing webspace. I garantee that I can find elsewhere to have my files hosted without someone stealing from me.

There are no excuses to intellectual property theft and I will not tolerate any violations against me or any of my friends.

Please note that I am not threatening anything but I am making clear MY terms and what I'm willing to tolerate. It's not much to ask. It's simply, my stuff is mine, not anyone elses. If I specifically say that it's public domain that's one thing. But otherwise I expect credit where it is due and I also wish to be notified of use of things that I have made available (unless otherwise specified, like if I release OP:MIA's engine and say "do whatever you like with it, I don't give a s***", by all means, have fun. These are basic rights and someone infringing on them is unjust and unfair.

Stormy · « **Reply #1 on:** September 13, 2005, 07:50:05 PM »

I agree with Leeor. No offence to anyone on here, But MY work is Mine also. It shouldn't be taken from me unless i specifically say so.

spirit1flyer · « **Reply #2 on:** September 13, 2005, 07:52:22 PM »

I agree completely

HaXtOr · « **Reply #3 on:** September 13, 2005, 08:17:29 PM »

umm what happened exactly?

Freeza-CII · « **Reply #4 on:** September 13, 2005, 08:23:08 PM »

You cant put you work on a public Ftp and not have it downloaded because this is what its all about. I didnt log into your account and steal files I mearly downloaded file that are in a public area I put one o fthe said file in My ftp that were made avalible by your ftp. So dont be going off in a rant about copyrighted material when it was there to download. I do know that this matter was resolved with out the input of other. Stormy does have a notice in his public FTP stating that these files are to not be redistributed with out getting permission But that was put up after this all happened. Futher more there is not copyright stuff on or in the file that I downloaded. And as for redistrubing i only had it up on the FTP to show storm i had it so he would know i had it. And i deleted it on his request. There problem was resovled get over it. Just dont put all your s*** in a unprotected public area where any one in the world can see it. I am not going to go as far as logging into the ftp and seeing every thing I want.

Stormy · « **Reply #5 on:** September 13, 2005, 08:23:38 PM »

I'm not naming anyone... Ok there are 2 people involved.
Person 1 will be called A
Person 2 will be called B

Edit: A is me, B is Freeza, the admin is Hacker... (No offence to you hacker, Youre still a really great 'hacker' and whatnot

)

A put a file he created from scratch with his own hands, and spent many hours learning how to make that type of file and make it look good. B downloaded it, put it on his ftp and didn't remove it when A asked him to. A talked to the admin, and as he was talking, Freeza removed the file. As you always do, when you create something origonal, you own all the copyrights to that file/material. A talked to an admin about it and the admin replied: We retain the rights to anything we host

(including ANYTHING origonal, signatures, pictures, 3D MODELS!, ANYTHING.)

This is what we are talking about

EDIT: The reason this was brought up, is because it affects all OPU projects, including Genesis, MIA, Renegades, and Gp's Final chapter. This is Wrong! The members of the projects as you know have FULL rights to the material they create. It is their choice to release it, and they have the authority to say how it can and cannot be used.

Freeza, this isn't about that file you copied off my ftp, this is something more!

zigzagjoe · « **Reply #6 on:** September 13, 2005, 08:26:20 PM »

said files were in a public place, anybody who was just browsing could have come accrss them.

anything in the /public_html dir, with the exception of _private [hint, hint!] and cgi-bin, it is open to the public. hell, itld be better if you put a blank index.html in each dir, as you do not get a file listing. we did not use any moderation powers to access said files. Also, these files are not known of outside of you, and anyone that thought to look.

By puttng somehting in the /public_html with no security, you are essentaily putting it in the public domain.

EDIT: No, they are not. They have a proper index.html in place, therefore they cannot be accessed without knowledge of the directory tree, and we will not use our powers to do that. Agreed, putting said file on said ftp is probly not quite legal, tho. We did not access your ftp, we went to your publicly open doamin.

Stormy · « **Reply #7 on:** September 13, 2005, 08:28:09 PM »

We understand that, But Still you can't take our rights, even if its in a public folder!

What this means is that you guys claim OUR rights to ALL our project files and whatnot. That is very unlawful and will cause many many many people to change servers.

And I put that file there SO people could download it and see it. But It was not there for people to go and redistribrute!!!! I have dealt with where I put my stuff accordingly, but this is about the RIGHTS we have if our stuff is being hosted.

Freeza-CII · « **Reply #8 on:** September 13, 2005, 08:34:40 PM »

You dont have rights to them in a public FTP or HTML with out some warning or notice that you have now. You are on the OPU FTP now i dont know if they have all right to stuff in the private FTP. But i am talking about a public ftp. You have your notice in there now stuff like this cant happen again. If that isnt good enough for you dont put your file in the FTP at all. No one is going to go into your Root unless they are looking for some thing that shouldnt be there like porn and such. Your files are safe from the masses now.

there its thats damn simple im not going to beat the dead horse debating this any more.

leeor_net · « **Reply #9 on:** September 13, 2005, 08:36:55 PM »

Both ZZJ And Freeza have good points. Files put in a public place where they can be downloaded are considered public domain unless a copyright notice is placed on or in the file.

I was under the impression that files were being moved from non-public areas into a public area and that claims were being made to intellectual property.

So I agree with ZZJ and Freeza on files in public places.

I assume, ZZJ and Freeza, that you share my thoughts on files that are not placed into public areas and require authorized log-ins to retrieve. If so, I guess you could consider my first post as just simply a point and not much else.

Freeza-CII · « **Reply #10 on:** September 13, 2005, 08:40:32 PM »

As far as i know there is no movement of private files. I certainly wont go that far.

Stormy · « **Reply #11 on:** September 13, 2005, 08:44:15 PM »

But you cannot claim MY rights to my signature and whatnot. You guys DO have good points, and as i said above, i agree, BUT YOU CAN"T Take the rights of my Animations. You cannot say that you made it yourself. You cannot take the rights from my signature/avitar. And you can't claim you made it!

THATS WHAT Hacker was saying! "We retain the rights to all files we host" INCLUDING private files! You're saying that you have the rights to the files I made and can do anything you wish with them. (I mean come on, if its offensive or something, yea you can do that. and remove/take care of it.. but come on.. you CANNOT have the rights to Signatures and whatnot)

Freeza-CII · « **Reply #12 on:** September 13, 2005, 08:48:08 PM »

OMG NO ONE SAID SOME ONE ELSE MADE IT GET OVER IT. I am not sure if hacker is right or not go look it up some where. But I know they have 2 rights that i know of they can look at your files and they can delete them Admins have some rights to your files if you like it or not.

zigzagjoe · « **Reply #13 on:** September 13, 2005, 08:49:17 PM »

Who said that we are claiming rights to ur animations and what not?
Who said that we are calling it our own?

i also do not recall is being redistributed. yes, i do agree leeor.

Stormy · « **Reply #14 on:** September 13, 2005, 08:51:51 PM »

Hacker Said that.

[ OPU|hacker ] like I said, we retain rights to all data stored
[ OPU|hacker ] so if we want to we can without warning
[ OPU|hacker ] since it is hosted by us

Freeza-CII · « **Reply #15 on:** September 13, 2005, 08:53:13 PM »

Im not sure if that is true. Some one will just have to google it to find out.

Stormy · « **Reply #16 on:** September 13, 2005, 08:56:20 PM »

If it isn't.. this is all a big misunderstanding.. and also a lesson to other people.

Freeza-CII · « **Reply #17 on:** September 13, 2005, 09:00:17 PM »

if it was a lesson to other people you shouldnt have come on here accusing us of grand theft file. thats all I have to say im glad this is over with.

Stormy · « **Reply #18 on:** September 13, 2005, 09:03:14 PM »

It wasn't a lesson to people origonally, and this still may be true!

If it isn't, i realize I (among other people) misunderstood and whatnot. But Please don't go critizing me or anyone else... I'm having a bad day as it is!

But I'm still mad you took my file Freeza :angry: Making my day worse!

Freeza-CII · « **Reply #19 on:** September 13, 2005, 09:07:02 PM »

i downloaded your file in a public ftp and i showed you i had it. And what is this critizing stuff i never said it sucked or it owned.

BlackBox · « **Reply #20 on:** September 13, 2005, 09:15:34 PM »

Okay....

All OPU staff have access rights to any files hosted by OPU. We maintain access rights to these files because we are hosting them. If we feel it necessary to manipulate these files, we may do so because they are stored here. (For various reasons; obviously many legal in nature)

NO we are not trying to claim intellectual property rights. However, if we deem it necessary to 'use' one of your files we retain the right to do that provided we don't coincide with intellectual property rights. Which we do not by copying data to another area in the OPU hierarchy.

all files within public_html are public. it is up to the account user to protect these files so they cannot be accessed by third parties.

Furthermore; you should put a notice restricting the use of such files. We cannot monitor what is considered unauthorized use of such files.

I plan to put up a hosting terms of service within the next couple days. By continuing to use OPU web hosting you implicitly agree to this.

Stormy · « **Reply #21 on:** September 13, 2005, 09:16:20 PM »

OMG im not talking about that freaking animation i made! I'm talking about If i'm wrong.. don't go around calling me an itiot and stuff like that!

Stormy · « **Reply #22 on:** September 13, 2005, 09:17:14 PM »

Ok Thank You hacker. This was a misunderstanding. Close topic plz.

leeor_net · « **Reply #23 on:** September 13, 2005, 09:21:28 PM »

Stormy, noone called you an idiot. Actually, I don't think I saw it anywhere. If anything I think Freeza said that you where over reacting... which I think is the case here.

Also, Freeza does have another point: The providers of a webspace have the authority to remove, without warning, files that may be infringing on other copyrights, may be illegal, are offensive or is a combination of all of these.

I would consider this a dead issue but I think that the awareness of intellectual property rights is something to look at for everyone.

As a note, I have done much research into copyrights and intellectual property rights because I myself have needed to file a few things with the Library of Congress. So I can answer many questions about it.

Freeza-CII · « **Reply #24 on:** September 13, 2005, 09:27:26 PM »

No one called you a idiot. And yes i did think this whole thing was a bit exagerated a little bit. Yes I think this issue was resolved.

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Author Topic: Hosting Concerns (Read 4832 times)