Author Topic: Do you believe... (Read 71040 times)

Zircon · « **Reply #175 on:** August 23, 2004, 06:38:21 AM »

Metaphorically however as the story is meant doesn't it sum things up pretty well?

1: Religion has convinced alot of adults.
2: You cannot see him thus invisible.
3: Sky also means heaven (which in turn is a metaphor for the place which in god reside), which "God" resides in.
4: Some say "God" are always with them thus doesn't he see everything you do.
5: He has a list, the ten commandments that you shouldn't do.
6: And if you do one of them and don't beg for forgiveness, he simply throws you down to "hell".
7: But he loves you, he loves everyone as you like to say.
8: The church has a lot of money, alot. And they're always open for more money.

BlackBox · « **Reply #176 on:** August 23, 2004, 08:47:37 AM »

I think it's funny hearing this all from someone who has in their signature "God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist."

FYI.. You can't see Him. its called faith, something you have in many other things... eg your car engine (you dont take apart the engine to see if it's in "usable" condition everytime you drive the car, you just assume it works)

Yes, God sees everything you do (as you'd assume an infinite being to be able to do)
And he will put anyone to hell if they haven't repented. (yes from the start you are a sinner).

CK9 · « **Reply #177 on:** August 23, 2004, 10:23:41 AM »

*wipes off oil* you don't?

let me ask you this, if your 'God' is just, why does he let his messangers die horrible deaths? For this example, I'll use Joan Tark, known to most of you as Joan of Arc. She heard and followed the instructions of saints, knew things she couldn't have known on her own, and she led an entire army that liberated several cities that were wrongfully occupied. Then she was captured, given orders on what to do (then the means to follow them were taken away), unjustfully tried for herasy, and burned at a stake

Zircon · « **Reply #178 on:** August 23, 2004, 10:35:25 AM »

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I think it's funny hearing this all from someone who has in their signature "God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist."

*twitch*

*cough* Questioning the intelligence of someone is usually rude so i'll just ask if you had recently consumed alcohol?

If you read the first part of the quote you'll see that they are connected and the final line merely brings up an example of the dumb logic some use.

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Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always astounded me.
We long for a caring Universe which will save us from our childish mistakes, and in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary we will pin all our hopes on the slimmest of doubts.

To sum it up people believe what he prefers to be true instead of what evidence points at and what is likely.

"God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist." <-- Example of slimmest hope/unlikeliness and dumb logic...

This is perhaps a sign that i should put something simpler in my signature, so that people might comprehend it...

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Not only does god play dice, the dice are loaded... <-- Dont worry i'm not counting on anyone understanding that one...

CK9 · « **Reply #179 on:** August 23, 2004, 11:02:36 AM »

Zircon, ever since I heard that in a song (Tonight I'll Take What I Can Get, Dashboard Confessional "...well these dice are loaded, lord I am too...") I have been wanting to know what the hell that means...

Zircon · « **Reply #180 on:** August 23, 2004, 11:15:11 AM »

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These dice are loaded and Lord I am too
I might be losing but I'm leaving soon
With the prettiest girl
To enter this dump
She drank all of the whisky but she left me the rum
And tonight I'll take what I can get
Tonight I'll take what I can get
Tonight I'll take what I can get
Tonight I'll take what I can get

I dont think the two are necessarily connected but in the dashboard song it sounds more like he's betting everything on something, the end result will either be glory or total loss as in russian roulette. (a return?)

Live hard die young...
The dice might even be pointing toward a gun of sorts...

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Brand new starts make saints of sinners
But I'm doomed to live in my past

Perhaps a bet on lifestyle. It's a deep and cryptic song.

CK9 · « **Reply #181 on:** August 23, 2004, 11:18:24 AM »

well, Z, it's an emo band, what do you expect?

Zircon · « **Reply #182 on:** August 23, 2004, 11:23:04 AM »

I've never listened to them :heh:

While the lyrics might be interesting it's not my kind of music.

CK9 · « **Reply #183 on:** August 23, 2004, 11:24:36 AM »

a lot of music I find myself listening to lately wasn't my kind of music last year, I guess that part of my mind finally caught up with my body :heh:

plymoth45 · « **Reply #184 on:** August 23, 2004, 01:45:24 PM »

to tell you the truth, i used to listen to just Country, now i like more types of music.

ZeusBD · « **Reply #185 on:** August 23, 2004, 03:28:24 PM »

I used to hate pop/rock and rap, but now I love them...but I still like country too. I broadened my horizons a little.

I have a simple question....CAN ANYONE PROVE THAT GOD DOESN'T EXIST?

If not than there is no more proof back any of your statements than there is backing mine.

Zircon · « **Reply #186 on:** August 23, 2004, 03:55:52 PM »

I can only speak for myself but the latest posts don't say that "god" doesn't exist, merely discussing the probability of a supernatural existing.

As for "statements" please point at specific statements because the thread has gotten rather large.

For example the statement that light redshifts during long distances used in among other to examine the big bang doesn't have anything with "god" to do.

And we have already been over that question before, no because "god" is a supernatural being as you said yourself you cant prove that something with either no mass nor energy doesn't exist or exist... How can you prove nothing "nothing"...

Betaray · « **Reply #187 on:** August 23, 2004, 04:51:16 PM »

I can't beleave you dissed George Carlin!!!!!!!!!

I'm too shocked for words

CK9 · « **Reply #188 on:** August 23, 2004, 08:34:41 PM »

Then why do you continue to talk?

The reason I believe 'God' is a creation is simple: man kind likes to cause problems. Look around you, what do you see? Most likely 'conviniences' that are man-made. Think about every problem that you have had with them (for things that cook: burns, raw food, ect.). Tools ment to help get food became tools of war. See my point? Everything made by humans soon became or caused some kind of problem.

CK9 · « **Reply #189 on:** August 23, 2004, 09:42:40 PM »

anyway...if so many religions are about the same basic thing, why are there so many battles between them?

plymoth45 · « **Reply #190 on:** August 24, 2004, 11:17:18 AM »

Because, even though most religions are based on the same thing, they still have different beliefs that plunge them into wars.

ZeusBD · « **Reply #191 on:** August 24, 2004, 10:58:36 PM »

Like the muslims and the Jews. If you go back far enough their religion's cross each other. But at one point some broke off and started teaching things their own way and after a little bit you have two completely seperate religions. Wars are fought sometimes because one nation tries to enforce their beliefs on another, some are fought because one nation belives their God told them to....but religion has been such a big part of history.

The pilgrams came over here mainly for religious beliefs is one example...now we are the most powerful nation on the Earth 20 or 30 times over.

Zircon · « **Reply #192 on:** August 25, 2004, 06:18:14 AM »

Someone needs to be brought down to Earth again... :rolleyes:

CK9 · « **Reply #193 on:** August 25, 2004, 08:46:33 AM »

Only the Puritans (yeah, they were most of the pilgrims) came ver because of religios persecution. It was the intentions of ou founding fathers that religion never be involved in government issues, and it was George Wasington's goal to prevent political parties as they would, "seperate the people."

Betaray · « **Reply #194 on:** August 25, 2004, 04:21:34 PM »

yea, I wish we stayd a no party system, instad of forcing people to go Republican or Democrat or another party, they should just be able to vote for the person they suit is best for president or any other public office

people should have ideas, not beliefs about religion, an idea can evolve, it can change, for a belief, it may take the slauter of thousands or even millions to change it

anything belief on hatrid or thinking they are above other beliefs are wrong and bad, unfortunally almost all beliefs beleave they are the best and the most ritius ones, there lieing the conflict

its all the same basic message, people should open their minds and question on what their fighting about, if they really are all that different

ok, man I really sounded like a hippey didnt I? lol, well im full, just had some ravoli with homemade sause and man it was good!!

ZeusBD · « **Reply #195 on:** August 25, 2004, 11:14:27 PM »

A no party system. Beta I'm sorry but, that is the stupidest thing I think you've ever said. People don't have to vote with their party. People who are registered Republican's can vote Democrate, Independent, or Communist part if they wish (yes there is one).

Without a party system, where would you get your variety of ideas. You have to have at least several parties to see every angle.

Ideas? If there is no proof of something yet you still BELIEVE it exists, then how could it not be called belief? Idea's are about something you know exist's, like our government, people have idea's about what it should be like and how it should change. But with God there is no proof, so you have belief's because you believe he exists.

CK9 · « **Reply #196 on:** August 25, 2004, 11:26:25 PM »

you have to admint, thought, that if no parties existed, polotics would be a little better. (less people in a party going, "haha we won")

ZeusBD · « **Reply #197 on:** August 26, 2004, 01:18:26 AM »

Politics would actually be worse. We wouldn't have multiple parties to point out things that the other party is trying to get passed, we would have less rights because of that. We wouldn't be as represented since you'd have to pick from people who basically had the same points of views if they really belonged to the same party.

I don't think it is possible to have one party and I think it would destroy our country.

CK9 · « **Reply #198 on:** August 26, 2004, 08:29:47 AM »

people would be less lazy and actually read what they are voting on. (BTW, see how easy it is to evolve a topic into another one?)

BlackBox · « **Reply #199 on:** August 26, 2004, 10:47:43 AM »

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Only the Puritans (yeah, they were most of the pilgrims) came ver because of religios persecution. It was the intentions of ou founding fathers that religion never be involved in government issues, and it was George Wasington's goal to prevent political parties as they would, "seperate the people."

Political parties are impossible to avoid... People band together into 'groups' because they share a common ideology. It's human nature and there's no way you can change that.

Regarding the Puritans:

They have NOTHING to do with christianity (even though they thought they did).

Just the way they acted toward others (if the others practiced a different religion, they would force them to leave or convert to their religion. If the others refused to either, they would kill them).

Most importantly they believed in "predestination" (that you were randomly chosen to go to heaven or hell) and there was nothing they could do to change that. That's totally against Christianity.

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