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Outpost Series Games => Outpost 2 Multiplayer => Topic started by: jcj94 on March 29, 2011, 08:25:01 PM
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Okay, Here's what I'm going to do:
1: Starting June 5, I'm going to host a temporary channel on the IRC for the tourny members, as to keep our scores straight.
2: Keep a topic in General Interest for you to post your scores (as of win/loss record) from either what you remember, or from when you started counting.
3: Setup who will go against who BASED OFF those win/loss records.
Now here's what I want you to do!
1: Go and post here (http://forum.outpost2.net/index.php?showtopic=5199&st=0&#entry75861) with your win/loss ratio so that I know you signed up (or you can post I'm in here, to keep this topic active. NOTE: You must also post your win/loss ratio by May 30th)
2: Be willing to game. We will try to host 2 matches PER DAY, allowing for either extremly long games, or lots of short quick ones.
3: UPDATE your win/loss ratio and report to me when the game is done who won. I will have a score card setup, and when I get the file into a distributable format, I will post a link to its download so that you may ALSO keep track of how many win/losses you have.
If you would like to help, PM me.
I am going to try and make this a regular thing, and, just because the channel is temporary, DON'T BREAK THE IRC RULES. If you have to go to my tutorial here (http://forum.outpost2.net/index.php?showtopic=5174) then do so to setup your IRC (during the days of the tourament) for the words:
!start!
!match-setup!
These will be used (obviously) to start matches and to set-up who is going against who.
The tournament is (hopefully, if I get enough members) going to run from June 5th until all players have either been eliminated OR I run out of players.
The map that will be used is still under decision.
The type of elimination is Double Elimination, so you can lose TWICE before you are out of the running.
To keep if fair, there will be a Novice, and an Expert division. If there isn't enough to form both division, then there will only be one. To keep THAT fair, the beginners will start off facing other people of the same skill level. Eventually they will move up and face some more difficult players. I will keep a ranked list to be posted at the end of the tourny, so you may see WHERE you ranked. The winner of each division will get the prize respectfully
1000 ore = 1st place
500 ore = 2nd place
250 ore = 3rd place
A special I RANKED IN 2011 SUMMER TOURNAMENT image to be added to your Signature will be given.
Now that I've kicked the gear into motion, SPREAD THE WORD
(thumbsup)
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where did the prize ore come from? i haven't restocked you yet.....
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Can you tell me, how many games I'll have to play if I participate? I won't have too much time in summer. If there are two divisions, will there be a ranking list for each, or will they eventually merge?
And now let me add that I find 1v1s rather boring. Might rather play Survivor or 2v2s.
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Okay: Here are the rules.
The games are going to be setup so that you each play 16(will vary by total number of participants, but 16 is my goal) games total. You will record your win/loss record for the tourny (so blackbox, could you clear that topic out?)
The style of record keeping will be ladder style, and will be setup by times, that wy if you wish to team, you can. If you win as a team, you win together, weather that means you go 2 bad players vs 1 good player and the 1 guy gets killed (highly unlikely) is YOUR RISK.
Don't get cocky SirBomber, we don't need you to go "I got whipped upside my head by a bunch of nu0bs". We realize that your good.
You will pick your teams before the match starts you CAN team with someone several times, as long as they are all with your match times.
Me and ECC will keep track of the scores and the Highest ranking people will face other high rankings for match times.
The winner will have the highest score.
I will post the times when I get all of the people who are in SIGNED UP!!!
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If you need prize-ore, I could give you 100,000. But don't believe that its an incentive for people who have been here for a bit longer.
Please answer my question with the ranking lists. Will there be two 1st places (one in each division) or only one (divisions merge at the end)?
I may sign up as soon as you answered my questions and posted the map and rules.
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There will be TWO winners. One from each division.
The rules are as follows:
Decide amongst your group of four between: Last one Standing (LoS) and Land Rush (LR). You will use LoS if no agreement is made.
NO EMP MISSILE SPAMMING. This is defined as launching off more than 10 missiles in under 5-10 marks. This will be up to the particular group on what exact number to be used, and will be decided once the game has started. THIS DOES NOT MEAN CHANGE IT RANDOMLY THROUGH THE PROGRESS OF THE GAME.
NO USING WRECKAGE MAPS. After all, this IS designed to be fair, not a random outcome that wreaks having on people frustration.
NO FOUL LANGUAGE. I don't believe this will be a problem, but I need to put it here anyway, just to close up the loopholes.
STANDARD MARKS:
LoS:
Beginner Division: Attack Mark = 500
Expert Division: Attack Mark = 350 - 500 (up to pair discretion)
LR:
Beginner Division: Build Mark = 65
Expert Division: Build Mark = 50 - 100 (up to pair discretion)
NOTE: Attack marks are still the same as in LoS + 100
IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE MARKS
Discuss with your group and me, what mark you want set for what. If I think it is helping the other player(s) to much (more for beginners) then I will provide a median.
As for scoring. I expect you to be honest and come back into the chat and tell me. That way I can use the sheet I have for Excel to rank you.
I am hoping this goes well.
EDIT: I have it setup for either groups (if you all decide on doing a group of 4, or 2 pairs, or a group of 6, or 3 pairs). You can setup teams as you wish BUT THEY MUST BE EVEN, weather it is in skill or number, that is up for the groups decision.
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There will be TWO winners. One from each division.
The rules are as follows:
Decide amongst your pair between: Last one Standing (LoS) and Land Rush (LR). You will use LoS if no agreement is made.
NO EMP MISSILE SPAMMING. This is defined as launching off more than 10 missiles in under 5-10 marks. This will be up to the particular pair on what exact number to be used, and will be decided once the game has started. THIS DOES NOT MEAN CHANGE IT RANDOMLY THROUGH THE PROGRESS OF THE GAME.
NO USING WRECKAGE MAPS. After all, this IS designed to be fair, not a random outcome that wreaks having on people frustration.
NO FOUL LANGUAGE. I don't believe this will be a problem, but I need to put it here anyway, just to close up the loopholes.
STANDARD MARKS:
LoS:
Beginner Division: Attack Mark = 750
Expert Division: Attack Mark = 350 - 500 (up to pair discretion)
LR:
Beginner Division: Build Mark = 25
Expert Division: Build Mark = 25 - 75 (up to pair discretion)
NOTE: Attack marks are still the same as in LoS
IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE MARKS
Discuss with your pair and me, what mark you want set for what. If I think it is helping the other player to much (more for beginners) then I will provide a median.
As for scoring. I expect you to be honest and come back into the chat and tell me. That way I can use the sheet I have for Excel to rank you.
I am hoping this goes well.
experienced members often throw away the wreckages. younger members do all they can to get that advantage. taking that element away pretty much pre-declares the winner of the tournament.
EMP spamming SHOULD be allowed under the condition that players recognize the opponents base(structures other then guard posts) are off limits. it's a b**** to reset all the common ore trucks.
lastly, you should incorporate Ties as a scoring option. often matches with me never finish due to busy schedules. another thing is that in LR games i have been able to make my opponents mission IMPOSSIBLE when i destroyed my own convoy. took em a bit to find out where i hid.
(sorry if any of this sounds strange or disorganized. another time restraint is on my hands.)
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Well, Then I'll keep your issues in mind. For the beginner maps, wreckage is allowed.
Missile Spamming is still a no-no, just becuase it's hard to fire 10 missiles in 5 marks, unless you have like 2 or 3 spaceports. You just can't build them fast enough.
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I would like to suggest a team, should all the participants be willing:
Sirbomber and Highlander and me for 3 v 3's. When I have time.
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Isn't their a such thing as Team mess hall? >_>
But yeah, I would be willing, as long as I get some good people like TH300 and Lev.
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First off, please disregard ECC's latest post. (No offense meant here ECC, but your last post is full of bad advice)
AM/BM:
Having an AM of 750 seems a bit too much. 500 should be more than enough to get ready. (Add in 100 extra if it is a LR)
BM for both beginners and experts should be 80. (Depending on the map)
experienced members often throw away the wreckages. younger members do all they can to get that advantage. taking that element away pretty much pre-declares the winner of the tournament.
Most often the "younger members" won't even have a clue there is a wreckage on the map. And since when did experienced players throw away wreckages ?
How does removing wreckages from the game pre-declare a winner ?
EMP spamming SHOULD be allowed under the condition that players recognize the opponents base(structures other then guard posts) are off limits. it's a b**** to reset all the common ore trucks.
You have a lot to learn about missiles and missile spamming I think.
lastly, you should incorporate Ties as a scoring option. often matches with me never finish due to busy schedules. another thing is that in LR games i have been able to make my opponents mission IMPOSSIBLE when i destroyed my own convoy. took em a bit to find out where i hid.
Ties do happen, but not because of busy schedules. If you have to withdraw from a match, then you give the win to your opponent. Otherwise it would be quite simple to suddenly and conveniently have something coming up if your losing a game..
Actually, when you destroy your convoy in LR games - you have lost. Finding out where you hid the last vehicles is a minor inconvenience since your opponent can take his time and build up base and get weapons while you can do nothing. Not to mention you are wasting both your own and the other player's time.
If you do chose to act like an idiot(Ending the game before it began), please don't come here to brag about it..
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i need to add one more new person tactic to the list of no-no's:
Detubing, it is highly frowned apon and cuting a players tube should be prohibited at the begining. Then again when its a mark game, this might not matter as much... just pointing this out.
(note i am not participating hence my schedule is complicated)
shame aint it?
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Okay, anyone going to participate, PM me so I can assign you a number, that or I'll assign from people who have commented.
I will edit the RULES post when I get time. Sadly, I am on time constraint at the moment.
EDIT: Rules post has been updated.
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I would like to suggest a team, should all the participants be willing:
Sirbomber and Highlander and me for 3 v 3's. When I have time.
I'm suddenly interested in this tournament now. Strange.
Anyways, it's fairly obvious you haven't put much thought into the rules, so how about we shake things up and go LoS only, anything goes? No marks, no restrictions on tactics, no division of players into leagues (we're really not big enough to deal with that anyways). And to make it fancy, how about maps are randomly chosen from a pre-defined pool, with players able to vote against a couple of maps? This is, of course, a completely original idea of mine, not stolen from any recent RTS's I've been playing.
Also, ECC: TE[size=0] [/size]EM ME[size=0] [/size]S HA[size=0] [/size]Lers are allowed to do their own thing, but we must never face one another in battle. So don't worry, I can be on a team with Highlander and Hidiot! As long as I don't have to go head-to-head with Arklon or Betaray.
Edit: Also, we should allow ties in case you have to bail halfway through a game?! No, sorry. You surrender, and that's a loss. Don't get involved if you don't have the time for it.
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First rule of TEEM mess hall, you don't fight against TEEM mess hall
Second rule of TEEM mess hall, you don't fight against TEEM mess hall
Any ways, I agree with mostly everythin Bomber said except "maps are randomly chosen from a pre-defined pool" since that just seems weird and unneed. Since we are all pretty much friends here, I think agreeing on a map isn't the worst idea.
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Playing in a team with only strong players is easy and doesn't gain you much respect.
Choosing the map randomly has the advantage of giving neither player an advantage. (some players may choose a map that they know better than their opponents and thus have an advantage)
It seems that the rules are not yet final. I won't sign up before I have the feeling that the rules are final.
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Playing in a team with only strong players is easy and doesn't gain you much respect.
Hahaha, what? Who the heck goes into a tournament purposefully choosing bad teammates? TH300, have you ever even heard of team-based competition before? You don't win gold medals at the Olympics with a team of obese 5 year olds.
Also, completely disregarding the fact that what you just said is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard, it's cute that you think I care about "respect".
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Also, ECC: TE[size=0] [/size]EM ME[size=0] [/size]S HA[size=0] [/size]Lers are allowed to do their own thing, but we must never face one another in battle. So don't worry, I can be on a team with Highlander and Hidiot! As long as I don't have to go head-to-head with Arklon or Betaray.
then all the other teams have already lost... hidiot, sirbomber, and highlander are some of the best people i know in op2 stradegies.... if anything...
You should NOT be paired with eachother, besides wouldent we want to make things interesting? instead of having a powerhouse team owning all us noobs? i mean CMON! don't give everyone else that disadvantage. It would be frowned apon hence taking no effort from either of you to own us.... So please, consider the little people FIRST before posting next time.. thank you.
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OR you could quit whining and learn how to stand a chance even up against these "some of the best people you know in op2 stradegies" (even if it's spelled strategies)
Also, I proposed that team in a slightly jokingly fashion. I am a bridge troll, after all.
If I'm not in there, Arklon or Beta will probably be, and then you have an even greater problem.
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GAH, fine. WE go with Sir Bombers rules.
GET YOH TEEMS NAOW!
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Bomber, ever wonder why they don't let professionals play in the Olympics? Atm, their is just not enough people in this to make it a decent turny. If we were to have it, the current rouster would be:
Team *unknown*:
Hidiot - agreed
Sirbomber - agreed
Highlander - not agreed
And others playing:
JCJ
LOP
ECC
Spike
TH300 - up in the air
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Then you get more people active.
I don't want to go on a PM rampage and MSG people who don't know WHAT I'm talking about.
I'd prefer if maybe one of the Admins spread word. That way they'ed no its not some little dweeb bothering them.
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Once we get all the rules finalized (since their still up in the air), we could always make a post in the "News" forum.
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Say what you want; in the end it comes down to I'm going to team up with the people I want to team up with.
And Spike, you kinda missed the point, I think...
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I know what you were saying, but saddly, you and Highlander are, atm, the 2 best players, and since this isn't the Olympics, just a friendly competition, having you 2 on the same teams makes it a tad unbalanced.
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Still finalizing. I will asure you, all rules will be final by mid april.
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Ore as a prize seems kind of pointless...we have a few items in the shop, but nothing significant. Maybe if we had some special items to go with an addon to the ibstore it would be worth it.
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Maybe a "glow sig" or some special name effect?
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I think we'd need to reset the store system, remove the interest system completely, and add in a bunch of stuff
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Why remove the interest system?
Though I do agree on the store.
We need some IDEAS for things that the winner of the contest would want from the store.
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I can, er ... "advertise" this tournament around and see if we can't get some new faces soonish, prep them for a summer tournament. They of course won't be nearly as good as you veteran weirdos, but for people who suck at multiplayer (like me), why not bring a new face or twenty? The website could sure use some activity.
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I am completely for advertisement of OP2!
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YES!
A million times the power of pie times infinity.
YES!
I have an FB page if you want me to link it for you guys.
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Just be careful about how you advertise
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Playing in a team with only strong players is easy and doesn't gain you much respect.
Hahaha, what? Who the heck goes into a tournament purposefully choosing bad teammates?
People who primarily want to have fun and don't care about winning. After all, thats what computer games are for, in my eyes.
TH300, have you ever even heard of team-based competition before? You don't win gold medals at the Olympics with a team of obese 5 year olds.
This is not olympics. And who cares about gold medals? I don't.
Also, completely disregarding the fact that what you just said is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard, it's cute that you think I care about "respect".
Thats your interpretation of what I wrote. I was merely trying to make you think about it.
Do you care about Outpost2 or is all you want the ability to brag with your skills? Do you want to do something good for other people or do you only do what is good for yourself? Answer those questions for yourself.
To the others: If you want to add your thoughts to this, someone should create another topic somewhere.
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BACK TO THE TOURNY AT HAND HERE PEOPLE!!!
Okay, the ranking system is as follows:
If your team wins, each of you is given a point.
YOU DO NOT KEEP THE SAME TEAM THROUGH THE TOURNY!
You are going to (once signup is complete) be randomly paired with other people.
Once we get into the finals, the top 8 will choose people based on either their points or known skill level.
The top 1/3 can continue to pick out of the top 1/3, but the rest moves up in rank (so if Capt 1 picks 2, then 3 becomes the next 2).
DON"T JUST PICK BY POINT STANDINGS!!!
You might get someone who got really good teams, but SuKcEd when they play actually.
The picking order goes as follows:
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,...,...,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,...
SO GO SIGN UP!!
And Admin, close the win/loss ratio (if you want to), we really don't need it for tourny anymore.
NOTE: If you have posted here, you have signed up!
Post again after this in order to say I'm still in or I'm not going to.
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No offense JCJ, but these rules are just to complicated for me. I don't want semi finals, or anything like that. I just want a simple 1vs1 or 2vs2 tourney, and you play every other player/team once, and at the end, you just see who has the most points. To be honest, I don't think this tourney will be all to great with such a large verity of players (ranging from super good to just learning).
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Then get better... or do it yourself. I'm ONE person. No one asked to help, no one asked to try and make it better. ALL I am hearing is "I want this", "I want that", "No thats terrible", "This won't work you stupid fool","This is better","Use my idea". If you guys decide that whatever I do for this thing is wrong THEN DON'T SIGN UP!!!
You guys REALLY are picky for whatever reason, and it's starting to annoy me. I try to make one person happier, then everyone else freaks out. I make a little change, people freak out. I make some fun, quick-code map for the La Corrida map, people whine. Can I do anything without people yelling at me anymore?
I try my damnedest to keep this place alive, and to try and keep ideas flowing, but all you people do is shoot them down if they ain't from someone you guys like.
I'll just stop doing anything then. I'll give my things that I finish to ECC and Subbed, and we might play them, but if all you guys want to do is sit here and whine about some things and yell at me about others, then why do I try to get this tourny setup?
I tried to set this up as a fun little thing, the people could participate in. Instead, its become a battleground for people to yell at me about flaws in my ideas.
ITS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE EVER ATTEMPTED ANYTHING LIKE THIS EVER!!!!!!!
There are going to be some bloody glitches people, and if you don't like them, then don't do anything the first time it is done EVER. Have you ever wondered why there are updates to software? Its because they either found a glitch, or they found something to make it better. If all you people want to do is yell at me for having a couple ideas, trying to setup a tournament for you guys to enjoy gaming in, then go ahead, kick me out of the forums.
All I wanted to do was make a couple of games here people. You know, something fun and entertaining. But no, everyone wants it their own little way, so you can just kiss this damn tourny goodbye if you people don't start volunteering to help me do some of this.
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(throwing a tantrum)
Man up or shut up. You never asked for help; don't whine when nobody offers. You asked for suggestions; don't throw a hissy-fit when you don't like the suggestions. People complain about your ideas because they're boring, unoriginal, and confusing. Here's how you described your most recent idea (http://forum.outpostuniverse.net/index.php?showtopic=5208):
What I am attempting to do here is create a "brute force just attack cause your lazy and want to say I BEET YOU!" game.
So basically, you're making a map for people who are too lazy/stupid to learn how to play the game normally. And you expect people to congratulate you for it? You know what my first map was? A Space Race on La Corr with Blight added. Ooooh, real original! I was happy with what I had done, and that was all that mattered. Nobody else cared, and why would they? The map sucked. But you know what? A bunch of us got together, took it, and turned it into Survivor, a somewhat popular gametype. So yeah, you're gonna have a lot of failures when you start. That's life kid, better get used to it now. But you keep at it, and don't get upset when people give you feedback, and maybe listen to their suggestions once in awhile, and you might actually get somewhere.
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Wow... bomber... that was a really good read! I felt like I was reading the script to some college sports movie.
Any ways, back on track, what is the general rules people want?
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(throwing a tantrum)
Man up or shut up. You never asked for help; don't whine when nobody offers. You asked for suggestions; don't throw a hissy-fit when you don't like the suggestions. People complain about your ideas because they're boring, unoriginal, and confusing. Here's how you described your most recent idea (http://forum.outpostuniverse.net/index.php?showtopic=5208):
What I am attempting to do here is create a "brute force just attack cause your lazy and want to say I BEET YOU!" game.
So basically, you're making a map for people who are too lazy/stupid to learn how to play the game normally. And you expect people to congratulate you for it? You know what my first map was? A Space Race on La Corr with Blight added. Ooooh, real original! I was happy with what I had done, and that was all that mattered. Nobody else cared, and why would they? The map sucked. But you know what? A bunch of us got together, took it, and turned it into Survivor, a somewhat popular gametype. So yeah, you're gonna have a lot of failures when you start. That's life kid, better get used to it now. But you keep at it, and don't get upset when people give you feedback, and maybe listen to their suggestions once in awhile, and you might actually get somewhere.
That is honestly inspiring Sir Bomber... honestly.
I am basing the rules off of things I know WORK.. if you guys have things that you know go to games/tournys for teams THAT WORK submit them.. Now.. before I douse your houses in orange juice.
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What I am attempting to do here is create a "brute force just attack cause your lazy and want to say I BEET YOU!" game.
So basically, you're making a map for people who are too lazy/stupid to learn how to play the game normally. And you expect people to congratulate you for it?
....QUOTE SHORTENED....
But you keep at it, and don't get upset when people give you feedback, and maybe listen to their suggestions once in awhile, and you might actually get somewhere.
I love how you can be so insulting yet so.... whats the word.... inspiring and helpful....
anyways, not that it means much, but i'll help where i can. i can do [very] minor code improvements, give you ideas on how to do this/that and improve map building.... again, not much, but if it'll make you happy and give me a chance to do more then sit on my ass and plan..... well, you get the picture.
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well I need someone to take scores while I'm in a game... lets just hope we don't end up facing eachother
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We're informal in our gaming here, people just do what they want. Set some rules, but if people want to enter as a team, who are you to stop them? I've never heard of tournaments restricting who can/can't be on your team (granted, I don't know much about this kind of stuff). Yeah, Highlander, Hidiot, and I are much better than most of you. We're probably going to steamroll through the competition. Unless, of course, you train and get better before this thing actually starts. I recommend you check out this video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btPJPFnesV4). This isn't a chance for 3 great players to wreck a bunch of beginners, this the underdog's chance for a surprise win.
Edit: The video is just "Eye of the Tiger" for those who can't view it.
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That, or a bunch of underdogs kicking eachothers arses while you guys steamroll the remaining carcuses.
Now that I've painted a pretty picture in your head..
Who's gonna volunteer to tear gas Hidiot and use laughing gas on Hooman?
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A: The video doesn't work for Canada
B: I hope I get a decent team O.o
Edit: Hooman doesnt play OP2 Multi.
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So? Laughin gas makes ANYTHING funny.
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I think teams will be out of the question really.
Gonna be hard to get 6 people to show up at the same time..
Could do some sort of ladder based tournament where players get a point for each match they win, no matter whether it is 1 vs 1 or team vs team. This way weaker players could rise in the rankings by playing more matches. (ofc, there is downsides to this solution)
I sort of liked Lev's old idea with "World Domination" - maybe this is something you could build from ?
One would also need some sort of system to keep track of information.. Perhaps a forum section devoted to this could be made ?
It would probably be a good idea to have some sort of ranking system for players. (like 1-10) Where a certain ranking difference between players would result in the better player starting with less resources.
There will of course be downsides to this as well, such as updating rankings if players evolve and some people are bound to downgrade themselves instead of being honest.
Can I suggest we get the rules down before we start discussing teams/rankings/etc.
I'll think things through for a few hours and see what I can come up with.
(Note: wrote this before I realized topic had grown to 2 pages. Posting anyways and sorry if some points was already covered.)
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I was thinking the same thing about having to many people in 1 game, and how it could be effected by the fact we live every where on the planet. Also, I know alot of people prefer teams, because 1 vs 1 is just to competitive, and would be very hard for a "new person" to beat an "experienced person", even if we do things like low resources. But, then again, we do have enough people down for it, that I'm sure every one will be willing to enter (even if it's not there favorite form of OP2, its OP2 non the less).
Still, I, personally, would like 2v2 or 3v3, but 1v1 is good also :P
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Ok, i see a problem in this.... we need some maps that allow for three players BUT player three can only watch. this allows for judges, teaching n0obs some ways to play, and makes things interesting when player three ridicules your massive failed assault.
it could be a new mode called '(w)watch' or '(tor)tournament'
the idea is out there only cause we could technically play the monopoly map and just say we did a los map and no one would be the wiser. If we are to have rules we need to be able to enforce them
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If people are going to go about lying and deceiving each other, why even bother? They can just go back in the corner they came from.
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They can just go back in the corner they came from.
And get burnt by a match!
But really, ECC, we should trust people
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I liked the world domination idea too, but we never really used it all that much =/
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Look back at MY second post (from the begiining)
Edited for current psition on rules. Will add rules later.
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Wait, I'm confused. What's with this talk of 2v1's? Do "good players" have to go up alone against teams of two?
Also: I'll be cocky if I want. :P
And the name's Sirbomber. No spaces. No capital b.
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I make typos.
so ATTACK MY AWESOME NINJA WOLVES!
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Talk about going off-topic in your own topic.
I do have a honest question, though: When did this competitively and these bitter feelings even arise?
It's pretty much a fact of life that those who are better than you will surpass you and triumph over you, bar special conditions. But is that why we play games? Especially in a game this old, with a community smaller than an apartment block, I'm pretty sure the whole point is to have fun. If you can't find the fun, then why do you still play it?
Let me remind you that everyone was a newb at one time. I still have vivid memories of my early games and I still shudder when facing our top players. But that doesn't take away the fact that I enjoyed what there was to enjoy and didn't dwell too long on losses, or the fact that I have NEVER beaten Sirbomber under any circumstances, and I have only beaten Highlander when he wasn't being too serious.
You will better yourself if you learn from those better than you.
Hmm, long time since I've written such long posts.
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Allright, here are my suggestions for Tourny rules and setup.
Perhaps it may somehow be of use.
Setup:
- I suggest Ladder style (Were each won match gives 1 point) rather than fixed matches leading up to finals. We have tried this before and it is always a problem to get matches underway because people have real lives and live in different time zones.
A ladder style tourney would solve this (and other problems) by letting people play when they wish.
Another feature of this is that less experienced players can climb on the rankings by playing more matches.
- While Jcj suggested we start a new channel for this, I think it would be more convenient to just use the normal chat channel. Simply because the main channel sees more activity.
- As a report system I would suggest (though I don't know if it is possible), that we get an own subforum. This way, when one would like to report a match, you create a new topic, with the topic name stating who played against who. Included in the first post one repeats who played against who, the map that was played on and the AM (Possibly BM) involved - and of course who won the game.
Further in the topic one could then post a summary of the match, pictures and have discussions etc..
(Might be an idea to lock each topic after 24-48 hours?)
- While it would be preferable to have a ranking system(Like skill level 1- 10), that would also involve some extra work - and people would have to be honest about their skill level. Not to mention we need some criteria's for the different scores.
One would also have to agree how differences in rankings should be solved. For example could Player A (with rank 8), playing against Player B (6), start with Medium resources instead of High. Or if the difference were higher, perhaps even Low Res.
In LR one could combine it with allowing lower ranking players to build their base, say -20 marks earlier than the higher ranking player.
For rankings we would also need to define current ones. Since most people seem to put faith in Sirbomber and myself, one system could be were the two of us rank as 10.
Another way would be to include an all time top ranking list, where I would put Paco/Lev up as 10 and in comparison I would currently deem myself somewhere around 7-8.
Rules:
Preferably we should interfere as little as possible with people's playing styles.
- Leave the decision of the Map and Mark up to the players involved. The most important thing here would of course that all parties agree before game start. A general guideline that could come in handy and one I usually use, is to let the least experienced player set the pace of the game (within sensible bounds) - thus allowing them to decide AM.
A few other rules which could be considered:
- Only 1 spaceport per Plymouth player in LoS.
- Don't Destroy/Attack Walls or Tubes before AM is up.
- Don't block ore locations/areas you will not use yourself just to limit your opponent.
- Don't enter opponents base area before AM.
[If you got any questions to any of these, let me know and I will clarify]
Some advertisement in form of a mail to all the members of the forum could be a good start to get some participants. In the same mail one could clarify the new things that has been added to the game since the last update mail from OPU. - People did after all sign up here because they had some interest in Outpost.
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People did after all sign up here because they had some interest in Outpost.
or spam the large member base :P
I agree with all these rules and would like to add one of my own.
No barricading your enemy's in.
also, because i still think there may be some issues i am working with subbed to create a 2 player match that allows for a 3rd player to watch only. i am using custom maps for this little project with preset bases. hopefully, this will both allow an in game judge/referee, and also later be used to help teach newbies. thus far i have only one map that although complete needs some reworking to make it LOOK good.
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I agree with all these rules and would like to add one of my own.
No barricading your enemy's in.
That one would fall in under "Don't block areas you will not use yourself just to limit your opponent."
also, because i still think there may be some issues i am working with subbed to create a 2 player match that allows for a 3rd player to watch only.
You can do this by default on any map except 2 player maps. Just ally both other players and demolish your base/blow up your vehicles.
Going through a lot of trouble to create maps and game type specific for this seems to be more hassle than it's worth.
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Allright, here are my suggestions for Tourny rules and setup.
Perhaps it may somehow be of use.
Setup:
- I suggest Ladder style (Were each won match gives 1 point) rather than fixed matches leading up to finals. We have tried this before and it is always a problem to get matches underway because people have real lives and live in different time zones.
A ladder style tourney would solve this (and other problems) by letting people play when they wish.
Another feature of this is that less experienced players can climb on the rankings by playing more matches.
- While Jcj suggested we start a new channel for this, I think it would be more convenient to just use the normal chat channel. Simply because the main channel sees more activity.
- As a report system I would suggest (though I don't know if it is possible), that we get an own subforum. This way, when one would like to report a match, you create a new topic, with the topic name stating who played against who. Included in the first post one repeats who played against who, the map that was played on and the AM (Possibly BM) involved - and of course who won the game.
Further in the topic one could then post a summary of the match, pictures and have discussions etc..
(Might be an idea to lock each topic after 24-48 hours?)
- While it would be preferable to have a ranking system(Like skill level 1- 10), that would also involve some extra work - and people would have to be honest about their skill level. Not to mention we need some criteria's for the different scores.
One would also have to agree how differences in rankings should be solved. For example could Player A (with rank 8), playing against Player B (6), start with Medium resources instead of High. Or if the difference were higher, perhaps even Low Res.
In LR one could combine it with allowing lower ranking players to build their base, say -20 marks earlier than the higher ranking player.
For rankings we would also need to define current ones. Since most people seem to put faith in Sirbomber and myself, one system could be were the two of us rank as 10.
Another way would be to include an all time top ranking list, where I would put Paco/Lev up as 10 and in comparison I would currently deem myself somewhere around 7-8.
Rules:
Preferably we should interfere as little as possible with people's playing styles.
- Leave the decision of the Map and Mark up to the players involved. The most important thing here would of course that all parties agree before game start. A general guideline that could come in handy and one I usually use, is to let the least experienced player set the pace of the game (within sensible bounds) - thus allowing them to decide AM.
A few other rules which could be considered:
- Only 1 spaceport per Plymouth player in LoS.
- Don't Destroy/Attack Walls or Tubes before AM is up.
- Don't block ore locations/areas you will not use yourself just to limit your opponent.
- Don't enter opponents base area before AM.
[If you got any questions to any of these, let me know and I will clarify]
Some advertisement in form of a mail to all the members of the forum could be a good start to get some participants. In the same mail one could clarify the new things that has been added to the game since the last update mail from OPU. - People did after all sign up here because they had some interest in Outpost.
I agree with every little detail highlander said here, i think we should take everything he said here and make it the new rules...
1) its clear.
2) its agreeble.
3) its a fair compromise.
4) he has vast knowledge which should not be ignored.
So lets go with highlanders ideas listed above.
Anyone agree? disagree?
And if and ONLY IF we go with this idea quoted from highlander will i join:
...by letting people play when they wish.
Let me get this correct highlander, basically what your saying is that when we do this tourney it would not be on one specific day so to make it easier it could be throughout a specific time period (like a week for example). am i correct? please correct me.
If it were like that then i would join, otherwise if its only on one day i wouldent join.
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Let me get this correct highlander, basically what your saying is that when we do this tourney it would not be on one specific day so to make it easier it could be throughout a specific time period (like a week for example). am i correct? please correct me.
Yeah, it seems like we're on the same page LoP.
Since it's a summer tourney, (and given we use a ladder based tourney) I would assume the tourney per say, would continue the entire summer, which would make it start some time in June and end some time in August.
In the period the tourney lasts, everyone could go online whenever they wanted and challenge others for a game (or be challenged) and the winner(s) would each get 1 point per game they win. After the time period is up scores are counted and the one with most points win. One could also give out some other rewards for most games played or fewest losses. Or maybe something to the player who has managed to play with as many as possible of the others who has entered in the tourney.
For my part, I will always have trouble arranging specific times with people outside of my timezone (Europe), so having no specific times would suit me best. In addition to timezone problems I will be working the entire summer + hang out with friends/family when I'm first home for the summer, so time infront of the computer will probably be my first nor second priority.
So in my case I would just try to jump on when I can to play.
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GAH HIGHLANDER HIJACKED MY TOURNY... oh well!
I do have to say... I like your rules highlander.
[OT]
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Wouldn't say hijacked.. just gave you a nudge in the right direction ;)
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me and subbed have currently one map designed for matches with judges. though it dose still have a few minor bugs that need to be worked out before first release
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Get it up and running and all the props to yah!
Thanks guys... being in Cleveland has halted me working on most projects (the laptops all only have Java Coders on them) so this project is one that I'm glad is still going.
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Another way would be to include an all time top ranking list, where I would put Paco/Lev up as 10 and in comparison I would currently deem myself somewhere around 7-8.
umm....I'm not so sure about that...I've beaten Paco on pie (oh the irony for me, my most hated map and I won against Paco), and I've never even been able to get into your base. I don't remember ever playing against bomber...
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Another way would be to include an all time top ranking list, where I would put Paco/Lev up as 10 and in comparison I would currently deem myself somewhere around 7-8.
umm....I'm not so sure about that...I've beaten Paco on pie (oh the irony for me, my most hated map and I won against Paco), and I've never even been able to get into your base. I don't remember ever playing against bomber...
Thats why you take the average over several games, so that one unlikely win doesn't change the ranking too much.
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Yes, but Paco and Lev were only good on Pie Chart rushes. Play on a big map like Fractures, and give them even a tiny little AM and... well, they would usually just break AM...
Point is, each player has certain strengths and weaknesses. Don't apply blanket statements like "X is a ten" and "Y is an eight" without context.
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so after a few years hiatus, I have swung back to interest in OP2 and this caught my eye. Are you still allowing sign-ups? also will there be a match schedule? I would like to join in and would rate myself a novice for ladder purpose :P
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This is still happening, and any official sign up really hasn't started (since I don't even know whose playing O.o). Welcome back :P
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well as long as theres no set date, more like a week long thing, then you can count me in.
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Unless you expand the time frame to at least end of August I don't expect that I'll be able to spend the time. I don't demand it, I'm just letting you know.
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... i.. I MIGHT be able to get it to go for two weeks, but That's all I can do. Remember, I'm working on:
General AI
Clone Wars (That DOESN'T crash to much),
King of The Hill,
And Autonomous/"better" Drive-line code for next years robot (I still don't know what the game is, but drive-line tends to be the same each year).
That, and I don't think my parents are enjoying me sitting in front of a computer for extended periods of time. I need to get SOME exercise :P