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Community => News => Topic started by: Hooman on January 16, 2010, 03:41:35 AM

Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Hooman on January 16, 2010, 03:41:35 AM
A number of 0 post accounts have been deleted today (just over 400 actually). Only accounts with no posts were deleted. Many of them were suspected bot accounts. A few may have just been forgotten about by the people that started them (or have been neglecting to write their first post). If that's the case, than I apologize for deleting your account. You are of course quite welcome to start a new one.

This account cleanup may happen again in the future, so new members are encouraged to post an introduction, or anything really, so we can see you're not a bot. If you don't post, we usually have no way of telling if a real person signed up for the account or not.


One of the reasons for the cleanup, aside from getting rid of useless junk bot accounts, is they sometimes leave messages in places people don't usually look, but search engines pick up on. We don't really want our site to be associated with whatever it is they're selling, and have linked to in their personal profile or similar. Of course one way to limit this impact is to not allow search engines to index the personal profiles. However, there are other places where their information may be displayed that can't be easily limited, or are perhaps missed. For instance, the name of the newest member is displayed at the bottom of the main page. If their name contains something they're selling, or is perhaps just unique, then having it on our site may help to promote their site in a search engine (as their name is linked to their site, which is found all over the net), and perhaps bring our site down a bit in the process (as our site becomes more associated with what they're selling and diluting our ranking for what we're really about). Hence we don't really want useless bot accounts just sitting around.
 
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Highlander on January 16, 2010, 06:12:18 AM
(thumbsup)  
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Lord Of Pain on January 16, 2010, 08:33:52 AM
Hooman the BANISHER strikes again! du du dunn...
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: CK9 on January 16, 2010, 01:19:12 PM
Thank you Hooman, I think you know how long I've been pushing for this to happen *hug*
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: fallenangel on January 17, 2010, 12:36:45 PM
That's a lot of members... I guess a lot of people like to spam forums :/
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Kayedon on January 17, 2010, 04:02:00 PM
Can I push for a forum cleanup too?
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Mez on January 17, 2010, 04:09:55 PM
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Can I push for a forum cleanup too?
Make some suggestions.

Its around the time of year that I bulk close old threads and move things to archive sections.

Other bits of clean-up tend to fit in with this quite well.

What are your ideas?
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Kayedon on January 17, 2010, 09:43:26 PM
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Can I push for a forum cleanup too?
Make some suggestions.

Its around the time of year that I bulk close old threads and move things to archive sections.

Other bits of clean-up tend to fit in with this quite well.

What are your ideas?
I'll do it forum-by-forum. The MAIN reason I'm suggesting all this is because these forums are extremely cluttered, are prone to useless necro'ing (yes, a valid post in an old topic is ok, but it is annoying because everyone points it out despite the fact we say it's ok.) That, and most closed suggestions should be put into a simple "Troubleshooting Guide" in the appropriate area.
Anything else?
 
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Simpsonboy77 on January 18, 2010, 12:19:53 AM
Kayedon I respectfully disagree on most of your post. You stated to remove threads. I enjoy reading some past posts, such as the different patches made. I was going through each forum like you, but it got very repetitive. Here are my main points.

1) Why delete threads? I'm not talking about the spammy ones, I'm talking about ones which actually have a purpose and discuss something. Say if you have a problem and you remember it coming up before. You can search for it and reply with it.

2) Yes update stickies. Nothing annoyed me more than going to a sticky only to see it super outdated and having to ask someone for help. I like getting stuff to work, even more if I am able to get it working by myself.

3) The inactive projects. Maybe make the forum read only. It would be nice (although unlikely) that someone takes the working bits of different projects and makes a working project.

4) When you say to consolidate the forums, you are taking a lot of information. This could take a year on a high content forum.
@Mez is it possible for the archive section to be viewed?
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: CK9 on January 18, 2010, 11:51:53 AM
Currently, the archive section is admin/mod view only.  There was previously some talks of making a viewable one for everyone, but I haven't heard anything more on the recently
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: TH300 on January 18, 2010, 01:05:34 PM
I am strictly against removal of old threads. After all, they tell the history of this community and without our history, we may eventually forget who we are. I don't even see how one can find those threads disturbing, since they're always at the bottom and you usually don't look there.
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Highlander on January 18, 2010, 01:40:20 PM
I must agree with TH300 on this one.
 
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: CK9 on January 18, 2010, 01:54:45 PM
here's my thoughts on the subject:

Keeping the older threads makes it harder to find things.  People necro threads that are dead and they block newer ones that are still fairly active.  Having an archive section helps aleviate this, as all threads in it are set to view only.  However, you have to give it a good organization and unrelated images should be disabled so that viewing the topics is fast.

Something that could help: have a seperate storage for older threads and delete them from the forum when they are stored.  This keeps the forum streamlined for faster access and still keeps the history for people to review.
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Mez on January 18, 2010, 03:48:39 PM
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Currently, the archive section is admin/mod view only.  There was previously some talks of making a viewable one for everyone, but I haven't heard anything more on the recently
I never realised that this was never "fixed"!

I need to go pester an admin to make it registered user readable.
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: CK9 on January 18, 2010, 07:17:29 PM
Mez the "archive" is the "trash" section :P
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Kayedon on January 18, 2010, 08:23:03 PM
In retrospect, an archive would be better than deletion. And @Simpson on Point#4, Most of the consolidating is tiny.
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: CK9 on January 18, 2010, 10:35:29 PM
correction:  there is a trash and an archive, I keep forgetting that they are seperate, lol

Maybe Hooman or Beta can look into making a public archive
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Mez on January 19, 2010, 11:25:25 AM
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Mez the "archive" is the "trash" section :P
That is Mod/Admin sub forum specific, CK9!

If I remember correctly I created an archive sub forum for each forum and copied everything into it.  No idea what happened to the after that. :)
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Hidiot on January 19, 2010, 11:31:48 AM
Anything us mortals should know?  :P

It only makes sense to keep a public archive, especially with frequently asked and answered questions lingering. The more those pile up, the more legitimate a "use the search button" remark becomes. Of course, there are some topics that just have no current or otherwise use. Those should be deleted to save up space.
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: CK9 on January 19, 2010, 03:28:32 PM
We need to make the archive public, and there should be a sticky of FAQ that links to the archived topics.
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Simpsonboy77 on January 19, 2010, 11:33:46 PM
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And @Simpson on Point#4, Most of the consolidating is tiny.
Not if you consider alll the posts about the transition to different patches, and how they came around. The discussions are interesting (well atleast to me). I'd rather see everything go to an archive with the same structure as the current forums, just read only.

As for removing images to load faster, sometimes they are relevant so we may want an option to view images in the thread.
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Hooman on January 20, 2010, 12:01:10 AM
The archive section is gone. All topics were merged back into their original forums. (If I remember correctly). Having the archive section left a large part of the main page cluttered with sections that NEVER had any activity in them. Using sub sections doesn't work so well, as you can only go two levels deep with the current software.

The stickies do need to be cleaned up though. Perhaps some forums can be merged or reorganized. I'd prefer threads being locked rather than deleted, although I'm not against deleting a few really useless topics. (The kind of thing that probably never should have been posted in the first place). Deleting old stuff wouldn't free any significant amount of space, and with the way database indexeing and lookups are likely performed, I doubt there'd be any noticable performance change.

If topics are locked, they will eventually work their way down, and get pushed to later pages. If you're concerned about them cluttering up your search results, than use the post date filter.
 
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Mez on January 20, 2010, 11:17:42 AM
Forum cleanup done.

Apart from the programming forum any posts older than July 2009 have been locked.
Although I did close some polls that haven't been looked at since November 2009.
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Simpsonboy77 on January 20, 2010, 06:35:10 PM
Speaking of polls, is it possible to make it so a new vote doesn't bump the thread?
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Kayedon on January 20, 2010, 06:59:35 PM
Simpson: Yes, they just need to click a radio button in the ACP.
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: CK9 on January 20, 2010, 07:29:17 PM
assuming that our version has that option :P
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Sirbomber on January 20, 2010, 08:18:25 PM
It's usually not a problem (a good thing, actually) unless some fool decides to vote in a poll 2 years old.
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Hooman on January 20, 2010, 11:29:33 PM
I didn't find any such option under the admin control panel. What option are you referring to, and what version of the software?
 
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Kayedon on January 21, 2010, 01:00:23 AM
I know that on the PHP boards I've managed and do manage, it's somewhere (I posted it a few months ago).

If not, update the software. Assuming you're using PHP that is...
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: CK9 on January 21, 2010, 01:17:09 AM
This is IVPB, if we could find the liscense (it's around somewhere) we could update.

Isn't it possible to colse polls?  i'm going to have to take a look into that...
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Kayedon on January 21, 2010, 10:06:21 PM
I'll take a look ... somewhere. See what I can find.
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Hellspawn on January 31, 2010, 03:23:29 PM
On my own Transformers related forum, (Yes, there are thousands of people 25 and up who still buy and collect those nifty little transforming cars from the eighties.) I move the old topics (locked ofcourse) who still are usefull to an archive forum. The non usefull topics like birthday things get deleted.

Just my 2 cents.
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: RipperKhan on April 03, 2010, 04:38:14 PM
dun delete my account >.< ^.^
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Moley on May 28, 2010, 07:05:19 AM
speaking of cleaning up accounts...
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: Kayedon on May 28, 2010, 11:25:06 AM
I, too was noticing we have a lot of extra baggage... When did we hit nearly 800?
Title: Account Cleanup
Post by: jcj94 on June 10, 2010, 11:11:24 AM
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We need to make the archive public, and there should be a sticky of FAQ that links to the archived topics.
I want to keep the old posts.. even if in a archive, it would let me, the biggest newb here, to see what you guys know and dont know and how active this place used to be and is.