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Projects & Development => GORF => Hall of Fame => Topic started by: checkysthebest on November 04, 2007, 10:42:02 AM
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I've read up on the idea of the Maesis colony and it seems kind of cool and possible, (listen this may have been created already i dont know i cant sit here read that much) but what I thought of is that their colony never fled earth, they found new way of mining rock and rubble left from the apocalypse. And through troubled ventures have created a super colony if you will, one where the technology is far beyond that of those from new terra. Now I am not saying a intergalactic war but what about a storyline that takes eden and plymouth back to earth seeing that this SC has survived and now is intrigued to try to form a relationship back on earth. Now obviously problem arise as to will there be 3 sides or an alliance formed between 2, I believe if it went with an alliance, eden knowing it morale is as unstable new terra would be allied with Maesis, earlier on then the arrival of plymouth, Therefore putting a disadvantage to plymouth of not acquiring a direct instructional knowledge of survival but a more of explorative colony at first until realizing that the others have already allied in the repopulation of the earth. (side note>) call this what you will make another planet for all i care its just something that i think would add a more indepth storyline and harder challenge for user (<side note). Now obviously seeing that eden has formed an ally in the Maesis, it angers plymouths leaders (yes kind of taken from renegades) and splits the colony not through a war with each other but while one insists on a coexsistence the other faction insists on total domination. (this would be a great point to allow user to choose which path they choose.) The coexistence (ILL call P1) builds their new databases faster but lacks the colonies support to weapon programs making and hide and seek defense maybe by use of mobile building after stumbling across a piece of tech from the old earth through a mining accident , they soon begin to realize that the intention of P2 have doomed everyone there through a rapid advance weapon tech releasing a terrible microbial agent that though P2 has immunity weakens all. Thats all I can give of though to it at this point as to gauge interest, I know not a damn thing about programming software mines on the hardware side but do like the storyline creating as my colleagues and I have created a couple mini games but my ideas in the innards to it cause unrelentless crashing.
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For all intents and purposes, Earth was destroyed. If it wasn't, the Conestoga wouldn't even leave Earth, and there wouldn't be OP2. (And quite frankly, the idea of a second starship, let alone it and the Phoenix Voyager meeting up in the middle of nowhere (on a very hostile planet, even), is too much.)
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Earth would have No atmosphere that would support life. It definately be burned down to bedrock. It might possibly be in a ICE age. Plus the big f***ing rock that smashed into made things dead. So there is absolutely nothing left on earth.
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Plus the big f***ing rock that smashed into made things dead. So there is absolutely nothing left on earth.
Unless you go with Betaray's theory that the survivors could've hidden underground in stasis chambers... but it's not like those people are going to be able to do much once they're awakened.
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they would probably face a scenario like in the game 'Fallout'
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they would probably face a scenario like in the game 'Fallout'
Except not radioactive, and without (super) mutants and retrofuturism. And probably a lot more destructive in general.
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but still, same concept :P
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(http://www.razaelstree.com/OP3_Nutshell.jpg)
That about sums it up.
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wow, never knew plot holes were a confirmed universal force
are they like black holes? :lol:
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(http://www.razaelstree.com/OP3_Nutshell.jpg)
It's beautiful.
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It's beautiful.
Truer words were never spoken.
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thats should be the 'alternate' intro movie to the game! :lol: (thumbsup)
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Plus the big f***ing rock that smashed into made things dead. So there is absolutely nothing left on earth.
Unless you go with Betaray's theory that the survivors could've hidden underground in stasis chambers... but it's not like those people are going to be able to do much once they're awakened.
well like i said, an idea. but the basic thing im goin for is a three sided system hell let the third be all robots or a degenerate form humans, i mean s*** the blight might kill everything but f*** why not say it transformed a few sorry people over generations to where they need not rely on an oxygen supply rather they've successfully adapted to the climate and atmosphere and now they have the upper hand being able to research food that grows in it and more destructive vehicles through the capabilites of not needing the accomodations that the humans need to survive, like im saying not trying to make some f***ing command and conquer clone war s*** thing just that people adapt why not in the game then, ill even pull out some realistic science to back it up. so this colony adapts to the atmosphere but as we all know adapting has its draw backs such as a shorter lifespan or a higher calorie consumption, longer periods of child - worker - scientist but without one research a week die quickly. just some ideas i mean lets make it f***ing interesting something hard until you make the such weaknesses
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Plus the big f***ing rock that smashed into made things dead. So there is absolutely nothing left on earth.
Unless you go with Betaray's theory that the survivors could've hidden underground in stasis chambers... but it's not like those people are going to be able to do much once they're awakened.
well like i said, an idea. but the basic thing im goin for is a three sided system hell let the third be all robots or a degenerate form humans, i mean s*** the blight might kill everything but f*** why not say it transformed a few sorry people over generations to where they need not rely on an oxygen supply rather they've successfully adapted to the climate and atmosphere and now they have the upper hand being able to research food that grows in it and more destructive vehicles through the capabilites of not needing the accomodations that the humans need to survive, like im saying not trying to make some f***ing command and conquer clone war s*** thing just that people adapt why not in the game then, ill even pull out some realistic science to back it up. so this colony adapts to the atmosphere but as we all know adapting has its draw backs such as a shorter lifespan or a higher calorie consumption, longer periods of child - worker - scientist but without one research a week die quickly. just some ideas i mean lets make it f***ing interesting something hard until you make the such weaknesses
1. Stop swearing
2. The blight literally destroys people, no one could survive being infected long enough to have a last meal, let alone reproduce.
3. No food will grow in blighted land for the same reason listed above.
4. Evolution on the scale you're describing takes millions, if not billions of years. I say billions because every one of your cells has a need for oxygen, the chance of a switch away from oxygen occurring is nearly zero.
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I'm not going to quote everything you said since Mcshay did it, but may I suggest you read and find out we hate aliens and sci-fi crap? Outpost 2 is based on hard science, not "cool" stuff.
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The only way that'd be possible would be genetic engineering, and of the scale you're describing, I'd say would be beyond the colonists. As for it being by evolution, part of the Principle of Parsimony states that the simplest explanation is more likely, kinda like Occam's Razor. It is often applied to determine the order at which structures in organisms evolved. Basically, more complex systems take considerably longer to evolve then small adaptations. Example: Skeletal system and, say.. the pinna (outer portion of ear) can be said to have evolved AFTER the skeletal system, as its a less complex structure. It took several million years for the skeletal system to come into existence. Chances of humans converting from primarily oxygen based organisms (Which is also directly related to how we metabolize stuff), yet another several million years, is especially unlikely. Chances are, they'd just terriform the planet, or go somewhat "biodome," OP2 style. It'd be far easier then trying to genetically engineer an entire population of which there is no known efficent way to do so with an already grown organism. Pre-natally, when the child is still just a few cells, not as difficult. But even then, thats an 18 year wait. Much faster to build a whole new colony.
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I don't quite understand why the other ship wouldn't just goto another planet. Why follow another ship and risk the same potential doom.
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I tryed this argument on irc. No one seems to think it would be a problem for the ship to follow the other when its quite possible it doesn't know where it went in the first place. Logicaly it would go to the closest star Alpha Centauri. Then the closest to that one from there i think they would split up maybe but logic would play the role that they would take similar paths because of the insane distances of stars. Closers being preferred for maximum Fuel conservation and shortest time. So they would end up in the same spot.
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I tryed this argument on irc. No one seems to think it would be a problem for the ship to follow the other when its quite possible it doesn't know where it went in the first place. Logicaly it would go to the closest star Alpha Centauri. Then the closest to that one from there i think they would split up maybe but logic would play the role that they would take similar paths because of the insane distances of stars. Closers being preferred for maximum Fuel conservation and shortest time. So they would end up in the same spot.
That's the closest star to Sol. Last time I checked, New Terra was not in Earth's solar system. The Savants on the Conestoga also rejected all sorts of worlds they came across, so New Terra probably wasn't in Alpha Centauri.
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I tryed this argument on irc. No one seems to think it would be a problem for the ship to follow the other when its quite possible it doesn't know where it went in the first place. Logicaly it would go to the closest star Alpha Centauri. Then the closest to that one from there i think they would split up maybe but logic would play the role that they would take similar paths because of the insane distances of stars. Closers being preferred for maximum Fuel conservation and shortest time. So they would end up in the same spot.
You don't only have to take into account the distance, you also need to take into account the likely hood of habitable planets. Even today we are able to figure what stars have earth like planets(or at least earth sized). So fuel is an issue but if something happened to the crew then priorities would be shifted. Hmm I think I remember something odd happening between earth and New Terra.
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Hmm I think I remember something odd happening between earth and New Terra.
Uh, nothing other than being forced to settle on a marginally suitable planet (New Terra) due to a shortage of resources.
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Both ships started from earth. Its only logical that the closes star to New terra would be the target of the Voyager. and the other ship would enter the New terra system see that there is nothing and go to the next closest star.
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Uh, nothing other than being forced to settle on a marginally suitable planet (New Terra) due to a shortage of resources.
Hmm may bee the other savant would accept one of those planets that was rejected.
Its only logical that the closes star to New terra would be the target of the Voyager.
Yeah because why would you want to double there chance of survival by splitting paths?(SARCASM)
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Both ships started from earth. Its only logical that the closes star to New terra would be the target of the Voyager. and the other ship would enter the New terra system see that there is nothing and go to the next closest star.
Why would the other ship be headed to the New Terra system (and so far behind the Conestoga)?
And even then, there's still the fact that the Conestoga was a crash project. Resources would be better used making the Conestoga than making another whole starship. Yeah, there's the "don't put all your eggs in one basket" thing, but getting more baskets is kinda hard in desperate times.
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Why would the other ship be headed to the New Terra system (and so far behind the Conestoga)?
Wait when was this ship build!
In the middle of one of the meteors?!
WERE!
Or was this a ship that took up the other half of earths already used up resources? Or may bee this ship was made by the lizards left on earth? WTF!?
If you use ALL of your "Legos" to build a ship you obviously can't build another identical ship!
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As it was said in the picture they took the resources from cities as in there buildings and such.
Plus the way i was told the second ship leaves right at the meteor is hitting the atmosphere. The other only would have already spun up to speed and is at or is hauling ass away from Jupiter.
Why would it head the same way. I explained this eariler. It would go to the closest star. then the closest to that start and so on till it found some thing just like the Conestoga. It gets to the New terra system. finds a planet with plenty of O2 and other gases but infected with a microbe with evidence of a civilization. Not habitable deemed by the savants. So they Move on to the next closest start this being the one The voyager start out towards.
Even this leaves the Time gap. Even if the ships were apart they wouldn't have been more then a couple a years away from each other in travel distance.
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As it was said in the picture they took the resources from cities as in there buildings and such.
Plus the way i was told the second ship leaves right at the meteor is hitting the atmosphere. The other only would have already spun up to speed and is at or is hauling ass away from Jupiter.
Why would it head the same way. I explained this eariler. It would go to the closest star. then the closest to that start and so on till it found some thing just like the Conestoga. It gets to the New terra system. finds a planet with plenty of O2 and other gases but infected with a microbe with evidence of a civilization. Not habitable deemed by the savants. So they Move on to the next closest start this being the one The voyager start out towards.
Even this leaves the Time gap. Even if the ships were apart they wouldn't have been more then a couple a years away from each other in travel distance.
So your saying that the time it takes for the first ship to get past Jupiter, was the same time that the entire New Terra habitation took?
Unless the second ship was substantially inferior?
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Unless the second ship was substantially inferior?
If it was, it'd most likely run out of resources sooner than the Conestoga did and would have to land on some other barely suitable planet.
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No I am saying the First ship had a good head start on them. By the time the second ship was fueled up at Jupiter it was well on its way to the first star. a head start. But these ships take a while to get up to speed and that is where all that couple year separation stuff came from.
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No I am saying the First ship had a good head start on them. By the time the second ship was fueled up at Jupiter it was well on its way to the first star. a head start. But these ships take a while to get up to speed and that is where all that couple year separation stuff came from.
New Terra was colonized for decades before its colonists were forced to evacuate, so they'd have to be pretty damn far apart.
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so they'd have to be pretty damn far apart.
:D True
Yeah... So Freeza-CII basically saying there would be decades of time after the first ship leaves before the second ship leaves.
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This is also why i said there is a problem with time gap between them.
Even this leaves the Time gap. Even if the ships were apart they wouldn't have been more then a couple a years away from each other in travel distance.
2 or 3 years apart I know that is not enough time. Its all leaning to the conclusion that there cant be another space ship unless it headed for a different star after fueling at Jupiter.
But then this leaves us at the other conclusion that the 2nd earth ship and the Voyager would have no chance of ever meeting in the galaxy. The odds against that are way to damn large. Both now prove that a second ship from earth story just wont work.
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2 or 3 years apart I know that is not enough time. Its all leaning to the conclusion that there cant be another space ship unless it headed for a different start after fueling at Jupiter.
Yes! Therefore the ships would probably NOT meet up each other.(modifying older posts is a bit anoying. Especialy when you add something that somebody says right after:heh: )
Both now prove that a second ship from earth story just wont work.
:D Yep! (thumbsup) (thumbsup) (thumbsup) :D (thumbsup) (thumbsup) (thumbsup)
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Now the question is How can genesis have a story. Go back to earth a Lifeless planet with a f***ed up atmosphere due to the meteor releasing dust and gases trapped in rocks and such. Water all vaporized due to the intense heat of the impact. I dont think earth is a feasible target. Mars or Venus would actually work. And Yes i did say Venus there is a Wiki on teraforming venus. That is if any one really want to go to the Sol system.
Or could the Story go one with the children of plymouth starting up with with the eden children. on a new planet starting the whole process over. With out the blight. And they would have to make new weapons since i believe they dont have any of the earth military Database on there ship (Voyager) Nor do they have any of the weapon tech from new terra. I dont see a need to have the blight be a main trigger for any thing so no point to actually have it in the story line. As well as the savants left on new terra. There transmissions wouldnt reach them for a long long long damn time and the new terra savant have no idea where the new colonies will set up shop in the galaxy. So there involvement is non existent. So what are we left with. Just a ship full of Eden and some Plymouth children.
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New Terra was colonized for decades before its colonists were forced to evacuate, so they'd have to be pretty damn far apart.
You're all forgetting to take into consideration the Time Bend Theory, which states that if you go in or anywhere near a plot hole, time becomes completely irrelevant. This would allow the second ship to have taken off a few hours after the Conestoga and arrive 2,000 years after it, and nobody on board would ever know (unless somebody told them about it).
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thats all nice and danny but its still bs
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thats all nice and danny but its still bs
And the rest of the story isn't? Why are you all arguing over a piece of nonsense as if it were a logical story that was planned and had several stages of development before it was written and finalized?
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With the way i was going it would be a completely different story. I know that upsets every one so much.
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With the way i was going it would be a completely different story. I know that upsets every one so much.
Different story with I hope different game mechanics. Making the new game an almost replica of the old game would be a spectacular display of a lack of creativity.
BUT we cannot make the game to foreign to the original games audience. So minor tweaks and alteration are okay.
Then again that IS just my opinion.
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Damn you dont read all the posts.
Like I said If it is done the way I suggest Any new colony on what ever new world would basicly have to start over with there military tech. As I beleive it wasnt in the Phoenix Voyagers database. This Opens the door to new weapons not the Laser Maser stuff. Im sure they would work there ways in there but It opens the door to have completely different weapons but it would still have a op2 feel as they would still have the majority of the research and they would also have all the buildings available after research.
Basicly the Children of New Terra would be fighting each other. As it is human nature to seek conflict. Eventually there would be factioning of the main group. There are both Eden and Plymouth people here from new terra. So you can see where this is going. And it would basicly let us keep the names Eden and Plymouth.
As for the weapons they would have to reflect the same feel of op2 but dont need to be the same weapons. So all the starter weapons would be the weakest and fast. The the weapons get progressively stronger but have slower rof. The story is the center of all of the game when you look at it like this.
The planet itself could actually be a Venus like planet.
Terraforming venus wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming_of_Venus)
Assuming we can use a newwer story rather then the story that has to many gaps or a story that just sync up in the time line. And make it more of the Children of New terra. This makes Genesis a even better name for this game as well.
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So all the starter weapons would be the weakest and fast.
I really don't get how you could possibly think a laser would be able to cool off faster than a Rpg could reload.
Then again thats assuming that laser is the starting weapon. :heh:
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It leaves possibilities open for weapons. I would rather see a set of weapons like in op2. Where they keep the same kinda feel of fast and weak to strong and slow. To have that gradient effect. I would not like to see super weapons be born of this. Like defense lasers that shoot down incoming things and what not.
Clearly there is more to be thought up here. Hopefully all of this will be review by the Genesis team.
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I would rather see a set of weapons like in op2.
Hmm...
What would you think about widening the tech tree?
Techs that don't seem to to need prior techs could be brought down.
But to counter balance the simplicity that would bring increase the number of required tech for the higher techs.
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I'm not really familiar with the story for this OP3 and I don't really have the time to search for everything, I will ask something:
Won't the techs in OP3 be further developments of their techs when they left New Terra, plus new ones, depending on their need?
Since they already have things like University, Nursery, Medical Center,etc. building plans somewhere in their non-encrypted databases, unless something happens to that database, they already have the necessary techs.
So,basically, what I was trying to get to is: Wouldn't OP3's tech tree not contain much of anything from OP2's tech tree, unless the story dictates so?
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According to that wiki a Vinus-like planet would be infesably hard to convert for 1 and also i found this.
Converting atmosphere
Venus's atmosphere could be converted into some other form in situ by reacting it with externally supplied elements.
A method proposed in 1961 by Carl Sagan involves the use of genetically engineered bacteria to fix carbon into organic forms.[5] Although this method is still commonly proposed in discussions of Venus terraforming, later discoveries showed it would not be successful. The production of organic molecules from carbon dioxide requires an input of hydrogen, which on Earth is taken from its abundant supply of water but which is nearly nonexistent on Venus. Since Venus lacks a magnetic field, the upper atmosphere is exposed to direct erosion by solar wind and has lost most of its original hydrogen to space.
Are sientists today REALY sugesting making a blight!?
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Are *scientists* today *REALLY* *suggesting* making a blight!?
*Spelling mistake*In your original one.
if you actually read the article you would have discovered that they are not(the said it would need hydrogen which Venus doesn't have allot of)
Although this method is still commonly proposed in discussions of Venus terraforming, later discoveries showed it would not be successful.The production of organic molecules from carbon dioxide requires an input of hydrogen, which on Earth is taken from its abundant supply of water but which is nearly nonexistent on Venus.
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This kind of thing isn't "The Blight"... We have them on Earth.
The Blight is a genetically engineered super-microbe completely designed by the Eden scientists that would be impossible for modern scientists to produce with our current technology.
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Infesable but possible
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OI!
Has it ever occured to anyone that the Conestoga could have left a vapor trail? Hello fusion drives require hydrogen which is a fuel and fuel tends to leave remenants! Not to be crude but perhaps the Conestoga was sent out to START the colony so that when the second starship arrived there would already be a colony operating The spacedock around New Terra would probably be intact so the second starship could dock there while it's feul sharks gathered hydrogen from the nearby gas giant. As for the time difference... who's to say that we wouldn't have a moon base? If they could travel to other stars surely they could have a moon base. Just that they'd have to get the heck out of dodge before they get bombarded by fragments of Vulcan's Hammer, better yet there was talk that the people on the Jupiter mining station decided to gather resources from the asteroid belt and convert the station into a starship.
Hey I don't know but if the second starship were to follow the Conestogas vapor trail, find New Terra uninhabitable and then follow the Voyagers Ion trail it would undoubtably increase the odds of them meeting.
I would make some major modifications to this idea to make it work but it is locked...
http://forum.outpostuniverse.net/index.php?showtopic=3613 (http://forum.outpostuniverse.net/index.php?showtopic=3613)
If unlocked I would make the nessecary modifications for I understand that it has been decided that Eden leaves first. Really I'd try to match it with what you say.
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Since everyone seems to enjoy pointing out a "plot hole" that was fixed a long time ago and it seems nobody else in the team saw fit to mention it. I've just been lurking mostly, but I finally decided to pop in long enough to clear this up (and hopefully increase the amount of helpful comments we get in here):
Cythera is in the same system as New Terra (probably the next planet over). The Conestoga, though advanced, wasn't so much limited by available resources - after all, they had an entire, resource-rich planet at their disposal, not a barren rock like New Terra.
Then, while the Conestoga is in orbit around the hydrogen mine at Jupiter (as per Outpost 1), they put their 2 contingency plans into effect. First, they launch a nuclear warhead at the asteroid, attempting to divert it. This fails, instead breaking it into 2. They quickly cobble together a second starship, thinking that its chances of survival are basically nil but they may as well try.
They launch the Frontier at the same time as the Conestoga leaves Jupiter. This is where the plot hole is filled in - the nuke they launched not only broke apart the asteroid, but also released a massive EMP wave (which would normally not travel TOO far, but in space there is less particles in the way to block it and it travels for quite a ways) which scrambled the Frontier's navigation and comm systems.
Unable to plot a course or communicate with the Conestoga or Earth, the Frontier Savants simply decide to follow Conestoga and land wherever they land. This gets scrapped when they reach New Terra's system. The Frontier is caught on the fringe of a cloud of space debris (the same cloud that causes the meteor showers on New Terra) and loses track of the Conestoga, and they decide to land on Cythera, seeing that the meteor storm is inbound and will probably cause great difficulties to survival on NT.
Several years passed, and the Phoenix Voyager was launched from New Terra, intending to go to another system. The rushed starship program however resulted in a problem with the ion drive module, which they needed for a long range space voyage. They are forced to land somewhere closer, and decide on Cythera.
Hope that clears things up for you guys!
P.S. OP3 IS NOT DEAD!!!!! we're working on recruiting more people to help us with programming (anyone who's willing to lend a hand instead of demanding we give it up would be most appreciated). This project isn't dead, and it might take awhile, but IT WILL GET DONE. Not a one of us is going to admit defeat, now or ever. [/finality]
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what language is it being programmed in?
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We're programming in C++, modeling using Blender.
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cool cool, im taking a class next semester about c++, maybe i can help out then ;)
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What do you usually use the C++ for and what do I need to know to help?
NOTE: If I can actually help, count me only as a help. Time is tight and I can only do so much.
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Cythera is in the same system as New Terra (probably the next planet over). The Conestoga, though advanced, wasn't so much limited by available resources - after all, they had an entire, resource-rich planet at their disposal, not a barren rock like New Terra.
The ship's pilots set course for a binary star system dozens of light years from Earth. The system had one habitable planet, similar in many respects to Mars. This world, named "New Terra," became mankind's new home. The first settlement was called "Eden;" they planned to make their new world a paradise.
There goes that "next planet over" theory.
Several years passed, and the Phoenix Voyager was launched from New Terra, intending to go to another system. The rushed starship program however resulted in a problem with the ion drive module, which they needed for a long range space voyage. They are forced to land somewhere closer, and decide on Cythera.
It was nowhere near as rushed as the Conestoga and had much better technology. In fact, they actually improved the Ion Drive before they left New Terra. Unless the improvement just magically decided to malfunction. Maybe Axen had sex with the Ion Drive before the Phoenix Voyager departed, causing it to malfunction?
I sense more plot holes opening. The universe will destabilize at this rate.
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ACtually it probably wasn't the ION Drive it was probably the mercury they gathered that caused the malfunction, IE impurities in the mercury caused a biuld up of materials in the feul intake which jammed the motor. Hey they HAD to gather the mercury from an unblighted area of the planet. Of course they still could have used the fusion drive... though it would have taken longer.
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ACtually it probably wasn't the ION Drive it was probably the mercury they gathered that caused the malfunction, IE impurities in the mercury caused a biuld up of materials in the feul intake which jammed the motor. Hey they HAD to gather the mercury from an unblighted area of the planet. Of course they still could have used the fusion drive... though it would have taken longer.
What the hell are you talking about?
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There's a number of plausible things that could have gone wrong as the ship started to leave... But why not try to fill that plot hole like this:
Those who left from Earth/Venus/whatever, land on a planet just a few systems away from the New Terra containing system(I.E. the system in which New Terra is). Those leaving New Terra head in a way that somehow crosses with the former path of the other starship and decide to follow that path and there you have a scenario with them meeting on another planet.
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Those leaving New Terra head in a way that somehow crosses with the former path of the other starship and decide to follow that path and there you have a scenario with them meeting on another planet.
So you're suggesting they just happen to meet up in the middle of f***ing nowhere...?
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you have better odds or being struck by lightning as you win the 300 million dollar lotto hehe
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Uh... I somehow understood from around these parts of the forum that the ships leave a lasting trail of some kind, because of the engines... So just take is as it is, they go straight to that trail, pick it up, see where it's headed and go that way. Presume the other ship found a planet that's good enough and they stayed there.
My idea anyways... If it's really that bad, ignore it...
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Uh... I somehow understood from around these parts of the forum that the ships leave a lasting trail of some kind, because of the engines... So just take is as it is, they go straight to that trail, pick it up, see where it's headed and go that way. Presume the other ship found a planet that's good enough and they stayed there.
See, I've always thought, if I were the captain of a ship containing the last humans in the universe, and I found another ship, I would stay the **** away from that ship because I don't want to get eaten by aliens or whatnot.
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To reiterate what Combine_cruiser said earlier...what about a moonbase?
Sure Earth got the Conestoga launched off. With the technology they had on-hand developed to build a multigenerational ship, you mean to tell me they didn't have a base on the moon, or other planets in the solar system?
Life wouldn't be any more rough for those colonists than it has been on New Terra. Unless they also destroyed themselves seeking terraforming options (perhaps they were a little wiser?), maybe they'd have spacecraft of their own out there somewhere, and the Conestoga has become something of a myth?
They wouldn't have FTL travel of course (we're not going THAT far into Scifi), but maybe a probe or something of these 'Sol-colonists' might find the New Terra exodus mission and dispatch a ship of their own to say hello?
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The problem with a moon base is water. The ship doesnt require that much water for the people since there all in a near death sleep so to speak. Plus getting to a moon takes alot more resources. sure they could take there space ship to the moon. But thats not how the op2 story ends.
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Presumably refugees emigrating to the moon after the Conestoga launch would have taken as much provision as possible with them... as well as facilities and equipment to recycle water. After all, how do the colonies procure water on New Terra?
Ice mining is also a possibility, and on Mars at least there is thought to be frozen water there suitable for mining and refining (to say nothing of underground springs, possibly).
In fact, the notion of emigrating to the moon to survive could also be applied to Axen's survivors in the Eden campaign. Sure, they might not have the capability of making another spaceship, but perhaps they had enough resources and time to go to New Terra's moon, and go from there?
I would think that structures on both sides are capable of surviving airless conditions, since the colony designs were built to withstand a number of space dangers. You don't see anyone wandering outside after all, do you?
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The buildings are built airtight, therefore they can exist without air. 100% water rycycling is entirely possible, and we can do it too 97% as of 2006. As of today the Phoenix lander has confermed permafrost on Mars and there are large ice caps on Mars as well.
A plan for an almost self-sufficant lunar base was developed a couple of years ago, called Luna Gaia. Though it only suports 14 people, they could probalby adapt a large scale version. Maybe 600-700 people? Thats a little streching it on the Luna Gaia design, but this is set in the future where they can build an intersteller starship, so mabye they can come up with some form of mass space increase.
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A moon colony is plausable But the problem is There arent to many useable resources on the moon. So it would be unlikely for them to actually leave the moon. There Best bet would be to head to mars where there is actually water or Ganamede that moon of ice around jupiture and there is titan around saturn. Mars jupiture and Saturn give them access to the minerals they would need to build a ship to go futher. the only way to get to either not the moon would be a undertaking. How ever like the op1 movie says All of earth worked on the Starship. So i Highly doubt there would be any one to go off and build another ship. Some from a religious standing would welcome the meteor as a sign of god/gods/deite. then Other would just lack the techno know how to build one and launch it such as terrorist organizations. So There would only be one space ship that would actually leave earth to new terra. Any one leaving the planet would have to so it with space ships that were hauling s*** to and fro from the docking ring of the ship. there they could canabalize the platform. then have the materials to make it to mars or a jupiture/saturn moon. Then from those places they could have made it to another solar system. How ever there would be a signifigant time gap. that would mean the Ship that left new terra would most likely never find the second ship from the SOL solar system. Due to the chances of a likely planet being found i doubt they would cross paths at all. And If they were smart and to ensure the survival of the humans they would pick a new direction if they even knew the first direction How ever logic would dictate they would go to the closest and work to the closests to that and so on. But it would be my best guess that if they had a colony on mars they would most likely stay on mars as it would be to risky to leave and loose every thing for a colony of people that could be dead for all they know. I would think they would stay in the Sol system. and thus killing the second starship.
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What I'm suggesting is that survivors from a Lunar/Martian colony (using whatever they had left from the Conestoga project), managed to carve out some kind of space faring civilization in the years that the Conestoga was drifting. It will be difficult, sure, but if the technology seen in Eden (The first colony), is any indication then I think it's entirely possible for 'earth survivors', taking copies of the devices used on the conestoga, to move to Mars or the moon and create an outpost there.
They wouldn't need the same resources the Conestoga (or New Terra emigration ship) because they aren't leaving the solar system- just going to another planet in a separate orbit.
From there, while the Conestoga was still in flight, humanity would be looking to either build another starship for complete evacuation of the solar system... or establishing a new civilization on a different planet. Either way, I like to think the possibility is open for human survival in the solar system if they were able to construct an interstellar spacecraft.
Come 100 years after Earth's been wiped out, I would imagine that interstellar probes would have been launched from the new solar colonies to explore the universe... find other planets for colonization... or in the very least find the Conestoga and see if they had better luck than the martian/lunar colony.
And what do people say to the idea of the other colony going to new Terra's moon and building a base there? Are we to assume that the moon of this world has no usable resources at all?
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What I'm suggesting is that survivors from a Lunar/Martian colony (using whatever they had left from the Conestoga project), managed to carve out some kind of space faring civilization in the years that the Conestoga was drifting. It will be difficult, sure, but if the technology seen in Eden (The first colony), is any indication then I think it's entirely possible for 'earth survivors', taking copies of the devices used on the conestoga, to move to Mars or the moon and create an outpost there
Eden had a advantage they earth database a mars based colony most likely wouldnt have the same advantage. It might give rise to them using more familiar technologys like guns and chainsaws, hehe little joke there. In the time it took the Conestoga to reach New Terra. There would be some good development into there tech in that time frame.
They wouldn't need the same resources the Conestoga (or New Terra emigration ship) because they aren't leaving the solar system- just going to another planet in a separate orbit.
No they wouldnt but the conestoga could have taken all that many people. So there would be ALOT left over on earth. So How many would you say escaped with the limited avaliblity of transports that would even get some one to the moon and such. it would still be a massive under taking. Still possible tho.
From there, while the Conestoga was still in flight, humanity would be looking to either build another starship for complete evacuation of the solar system... or establishing a new civilization on a different planet. Either way, I like to think the possibility is open for human survival in the solar system if they were able to construct an interstellar spacecraft.
Come 100 years after Earth's been wiped out, I would imagine that interstellar probes would have been launched from the new solar colonies to explore the universe... find other planets for colonization... or in the very least find the Conestoga and see if they had better luck than the martian/lunar colony.
I just dont see any colony landing on mars/moon/where ever and just starting to build a new starship. It would take them a while to recover from there move. If they have a successful colony on mars or what not. Then why would they leave. What danger could make them leave. I dont beleive our Sun goes nova or super nova. Since its the type to grow large and then shrink to a white brown dwarf. But even that wouldnt happen for a very very long time. And the distance from here to there is so great that the probes would be kinda useless even if they could travel at the speed of light. Its all exotic but highly improbable to send probes out that far. At best they would terraform mars.
And what do people say to the idea of the other colony going to new Terra's moon and building a base there? Are we to assume that the moon of this world has no usable resources at all?
There are resources on moons but i doubt there would be enough to support a colony with out hollowing the moon out. Plus there is no telling what happen to the people left on new terra after the ship left for parts unknown. I some how dont believe they would have the resources or time to build a new ship even to get to the moon. and even there where do they go. You have to assume there are other planets in the new terra system. But only one was bearly good enough to support life. And with some research i dont see alot of hard rocky planets being found. just alot of Gas giants. So there is no telling how exactly far from earth the new terra system is. But im sure its some where in the orian arm of the milkyway. So the people left on newterra either melted or found a way to protect themselves from the blight Perhaps becoming air born like floating. But nothing like ANTI GRAV or Jump jets. My guess is it would be some thing more primitive but more reliable and less resource requirements.
A Space station would be plausable to build but impractical to keep running as there is no way to fix it or get resouces with out a massive undertaking or risk. Even tho it wasnt mentioned i thought i would bring that up any way.
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No they wouldnt but the conestoga could have taken all that many people. So there would be ALOT left over on earth. So How many would you say escaped with the limited avaliblity of transports that would even get some one to the moon and such. it would still be a massive under taking. Still possible tho.
I'm not saying the rest of the human race emigrated- just whoever was selected to go on what transports they could appropriate. Not everyone could have been saved, but I think more made it out of doomsday on earth than just those on the Conestoga.
I just dont see any colony landing on mars/moon/where ever and just starting to build a new starship. It would take them a while to recover from there move. If they have a successful colony on mars or what not. Then why would they leave. What danger could make them leave. I dont beleive our Sun goes nova or super nova. Since its the type to grow large and then shrink to a white brown dwarf. But even that wouldnt happen for a very very long time. And the distance from here to there is so great that the probes would be kinda useless even if they could travel at the speed of light. Its all exotic but highly improbable to send probes out that far. At best they would terraform mars.
I didn't mean to suggest that they left either, but I left the possibility open. The moon/mars colonists may have decided to follow the Conestoga.
There are resources on moons but i doubt there would be enough to support a colony with out hollowing the moon out. Plus there is no telling what happen to the people left on new terra after the ship left for parts unknown. I some how dont believe they would have the resources or time to build a new ship even to get to the moon. and even there where do they go. You have to assume there are other planets in the new terra system. But only one was bearly good enough to support life. And with some research i dont see alot of hard rocky planets being found. just alot of Gas giants. So there is no telling how exactly far from earth the new terra system is. But im sure its some where in the orian arm of the milkyway. So the people left on newterra either melted or found a way to protect themselves from the blight Perhaps becoming air born like floating. But nothing like ANTI GRAV or Jump jets. My guess is it would be some thing more primitive but more reliable and less resource requirements.
Hollowing the moon out? That's an absurd notion... New Terra wasn't 'partially hollowed out' to construct their emigration ship, was it? New Terra's moon is not an asteroid- it looks to be about the same size as our moon. They aren't building a world ship- just a copy of the exodus ship.
Personally I wouldn't think it would be that hard to adapt their SULV/RLV technologies to create another colony of the moon. If we were to continue the research tree, I can imagine a proposal to adapt the Phoenix Lander module to an SULV platform. With the time remaining, you could launch the Phoenix module and construct lunar landers to send your colonists. New Terra is evacuated from the blight, and on the moon you'd have plenty of time and resources to construct a new spaceship. What materials you couldn't get on the moon would be mined and shipped up to the colony before the Blight completely covered the planet.
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I'm no astrophysicist, but... If the Earth was destroyed, wouldn't the moon fly off into space or something? Making a moon colony kinda... impossible.
And, drawing on info from OP1, meteors were expected to hit other planets in the solar system, making a Mars colony a bad idea. Whether you care about OP1 or not, you have to admit it certainly does provide more details into Earth's destruction than OP2.
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I thought earth was hit by a pair of meteors, sending up dust clouds ala Nuclear Winter. Not blown into tiny bits with a moon-sized asteroid.
Plus as Space: 1999 clearly shows, it IS possible to live on the moon for extended periods... despite repeated encounters with aliens :P
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No, if I recall correctly, has Vulcan's Hammer not have been nuked, it would have just make Earth inhospitable, but by nuking it into several large fragments the impacts turned Earth into space dust.
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asteroids that big wouldnt destroy the earth. And after the atmostphere became dust free and warmed up again it would be hospitable again. even some thing the size of the moon wouldnt destroy earth. they would actually meld together. Plus Meteors hit earth and other planets every day but those big ones dont come around very often.
The moon wouldnt get flinged into space it would most like assume orbit around the orbit of earth if it was possible for it to be destroyed. that in itself could make it the moon inhospitable for the buildings.
Any way. back to the main topic.
The mars colony to follow the conestoga would be a massive under taking. but by the time they found new terra all they would find was the blight or a barren world with ruins and a car. I doubt they would folllow the ship that left new terra. as they would have no idea which way it went. But they would know what happen but it doesnt make for much of a story for a game.
Yes there not building a world ship but it still takes massive resources to build a ship. I just dont think a moon would have enough. thus being hollowed out like a bake potato.
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If New Terra's moon was formed the same way ours was then it would be devoid of any metals other than those in meteors. I think that Axel's colonists shouldn't be ruled out though. Even if they couldn't have settled a new planet, they may have tried to stay in orbit and survive. The Savant-mind may have even supplied them with air and water.
Another thing to think about is that the Blight would eventually burn itself out, especially at the rate it was spreading. It would die out and leave the planet with a perfect atmosphere. It might be possible that the remaining people built more stasis pods and figured out how long the Blight would stick around. If they built off of the Skydock then the new colony might not notice them there. The amount of time between the starship launch and everyone else waking up may have been enough time for the people on Cythera to forget the other colonists.
I think some people are slightly underestimating the human race. The largest governments are thought to have built underground bunkers made to survive a meteor strike/nuclear war. If the stasis systems were applied to that millions could be saved. Sending a ship would still be a good idea becuase Earth would be turned into a wasteland.
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Was there any indication of the Blight 'burning itself out'? As a microbe, it existed in the groundwater- that much I remember. So unless the water evaporated and left the microbe nowhere to go- how would the blight be extinguished?
Indeed, Axen's people shouldn't be ruled out. Even if it meant cannibalizing every ship they could (if on the moon) to construct another exodus starship, then Axen would have done it.
It wouldn't stop them from mining the moon dry if they had to, either.
What I'm suggesting by the survival of a sol system colony is, that, after all the traveling done by the colonists of the Conestoga and the second survival ship (100+ years?) Sol system settlements would have had enough time to build up a civilization on another planet, and possibly start sending probes of their own.
This could mean that the New Terran Exodus ship could run into another colony mission from Earth, potentially.
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There was talk of the blight burning itself out. It is a possiblity but it would require the blight running out of food. With the environment changing so drasticly on new terra you might be looking at the formation of surface waters do the atmosphere and any other by products given off by the blight. there is also the possiblity that the blight wont die it will just go to a dormant state. Then some weird cosmic thing happens like a comets hit new terra and water is reintroduced into the atmosphere and the blight awakens and drinks up all they can and then go dormant again.
I just feel that a moon doesnt have enough resources to build a ship. It would have alot of iron and some other of your basic elements but not alot of any thing else after some reading on wiki. Savaging every thing they have doesnt seem to be logical as they are running from the blight constantly. They could stop and mine but i recall there only being enough resources for one ship. the only way for them to really escape the blight would be to get off the surface. And it would have to be a pretty radical/simple fix for them to stay off the surface. As stated before.
To get to the moon with any substainal amount of people you would still either need a pretty big ship which requires resources that would be hard to get from the blight coming. Or they would have build some thing in orbit and would still need the time and resources to build it. Moons arent exactly close. I think it took the apollo landers 11 days to reach the moon.
Even at the speed of light they couldnt possibly reach another solar system in 100 years. We dont even know how far they are from the Sol system. This does give the sol colonist the time to rebuild. Sending a probe out to find them would seem to be a bit rediculous. As it would take for ever to find them and forever to send a transmition or fly back and report. So going and looking for them on a massive scale as a exodus ship would risk to many people. Sure by this time they could have terraformed mars.