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Off Topic => General Interest => Topic started by: BlackBox on August 18, 2003, 10:51:46 AM

Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: BlackBox on August 18, 2003, 10:51:46 AM
For those people that are new to this forum, don't know the full story, or want it repeated, I'm going to explain how we've gotten this forum this far and everything that's happened so far since as long as I've been here.

It all started with the NHCS. The owner of the forum was Kevin Ar18 (just simply known as Kevin), who founded it as a fan site for Outpost 1 and 2.
Kevin was the first person who proposed creating new maps for Outpost2, and the first to find the map format out.
The site started about 3 or 4 years ago.
You can still see most of the site, and the forum's posts, at http://op.virtualave.net/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20030624060414/http://op.virtualave.net/)
One day Kevin came out and told us all that Outpost was taking up too much time in his life, and said he was closing the forum because he didn't have time to moderate it.

So, Dark Templar Kiler (later known as just Killer), came and opened a new forum, located at http://op.virtualave.net/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20030624060414/http://op.virtualave.net/)

Edit by OP2Patriot: op.suddenlaunch.com

Edit aded by CK9: Kiler wasn't the only one who created  new forum.  Right before I heard that kiler's forum was created I tried to create one, only to learn that it wasjust a fee trial forum.  (It isn't imposrtant, but I just want it known that it wasn't only a power-hungry person trying to keep the fans together.)
Edit by OP2Patriot: I had one too, but that does not matter.

That forum went well for about a year or two, until some problems arose.
The first problem was, Killer promoted and demoted admins and GM's for no good reason. (In other words, he killed off the admins because he wanted, this is known as his "Admin Killing Spree".)

Edit by OP2Patriot: There were two Admin Killing Sprees. There were over 7 admins the first time, and around 6 the second time. Also changing the background of the forum was a pastime of the former Chief Administrator.

Later a second problem occured. Killer started deleting posts that he thought spoke out against him.
Betaray made a long post about the problems with the administration, and most of the text was censored.
About a week later, the whole thread was deleted.

Finally, there was so much pressure put on Killer, that he transferred adminship to Xkr25, his supposed "friend" in school, who was the same age as him. (As it turns out now, it appears that he is 18. This has not been fully verified.)
The forum went better for a time, but the people still felt that the noose was still around their neck, because Killer would have an influence on Xkr25.

Edit by OP2Patriot: XKR25 is 13.

Until the next cascade of problems.

One day, it was impossible to log on to the board! The members looked at the members list, and lo-and-behold, Xkr25 had deleted all of the forum members.
The members were enraged.
Conspiracy theories were formed about who did it.

But, at the same time, I and others such as Philip and Martyn thought it over. The forum could be closed for TOS violation, since Killer was 12 at the time he started it, and the Sudden Launch TOS read that "you must be at least 13 to use the Service."

Also, I thought of a method that could be used to "hijack" the main admin account, therefore giving us full control of the forum. I told Martyn my plan, and how we could exploit a security hole in the forum to change the main admin account's password.

However, it required that Xkr25 would be logged in currently to the forum under the main admin account; and would have to click a link to execute the "rogue" instructions to change his password.

Martyn ended up getting Xkr25 to click this link, and the forum was successfully hijacked.

xfir: Actually, he didn't click a link. I logged him out by a clever little trick of my own: through the counter I hosted.

another edit by CK9: before Xkr25 became an admin, beta attempted to make the forumites aware of Kiler's evils by staging a big leaving.  This plan backfired and people said stuff like, "Stop your complaining, get back here and post you wimp."(I'm a bit off, but it was similar)  After the problems with Xkr25, Beta and I found an old abandond forum that we could try to conince the forumites to get to.  All we needed was somepeople old enough to apply to be the new moderators, people we knew we could trust.  Before we begain our search, two things happened.  First, we found out that you had to log in every post.  Second, the forum was deleted.

But not long after, op.suddenlaunch.com was shut down "due to TOS violations". However, the members managed to stay together long enough to create two forums, this one (forum.outpostuniverse.net), and the OPC (..com)

This is how it currently stands, two separate forums.


March of 2004, op2hacker and Leviathan staged a coup and removed xfir from power. They moved the forum and it's member base to http://www.outpostuniverse.net (http://www.outpostuniverse.net).

April 1st of 2006, xfir, as a prank, uploaded an old version (from March of 2004) of the OUF.

xfir's copy remains up so that his webspace doesn't go to complete waste.  Hacker attempted a truce of sorts, but due to the nature of the takeover, xfir was untrustung of his words.

Both communities stand today in peaceful co-existance. (sound familiar? :P)


=== End of Story ===

(CK9, xfir, Phil, others: I give you permission to edit this post to add extra information, or change incorrect information)

Hope this helps explain what actually happened over the past 3 or so years.


[EDIT by Eddy-B] Updated the 2 dead links of virtualave.net
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on August 18, 2003, 05:17:27 PM
Hacker, if you think this shouldn't be here, delete it.

Philip and Beta need to add on.

To philip: Think we should tell them about the smiley/signatre incident?

To Beta: You should give a btter account on the abandond forum that we were thinking of getting people to
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: OP2Patriot on August 18, 2003, 05:19:08 PM
I added on a bit. I'm lazy, so I don't feel like giving more details. Um, depends if you will make referrence to it in future posts.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on August 18, 2003, 05:24:12 PM
Your name and hacker's name are too similar.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: OP2Patriot on August 18, 2003, 05:31:50 PM
BWA HA HA, don't you know he is one of my egos? (jk!) So sue me.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: xfir on August 18, 2003, 10:13:35 PM
Uh huh.. Maybe you should mention how many admins Kiler had at one time...

I also added, and made a change to CK9's order of edits to make the posts make more logical sense.

I also Added Bolding to the original text.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: OP2Patriot on August 19, 2003, 09:36:24 AM
Let me see if I remember who all were at one point admins at Killer's. Ezekel, Martyn, Op2hacker, Betaray, CK9, Knux, Ttamdude, and me. Did I forget anyone? I remember Killer once promoted Betaray to admin, so that Beta could edit his own account. (I don't know if I ever told anyone that)
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on August 19, 2003, 04:15:39 PM
Beta and I were GMs.  Becase of the smiley/sig incident he didn't trust me enough to make me an admin when I was the first to God rank.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: xfir on August 19, 2003, 06:11:43 PM
I was an admin. I was the one who got the fade in/out to work on the affiliates.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: OP2Patriot on August 19, 2003, 08:05:01 PM
CK9, you were an admin. Remember when op2hacker promoted 7+ people after Killer resigned?
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Coconut Monkey on August 20, 2003, 12:07:25 PM
Interesting little tale! I'd like to know more about your hacker exploits..... :D  
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: OP2Patriot on August 20, 2003, 01:25:50 PM
I saved my post where I proclaimed Killer as an unfit admin and called for him to resign. Although there are now two forums, this one is now the most frequented. Maybe xfir and I could tell a tale of the hardships of making this forum #1. (Maybe, I said) We definetely have veteran posters here. How many here are from the NHCS? There I was #4, at the end. In first was KevinAr18, he does not post anymore. Ezekel was #2. He doesn't post at this forum if anywhere. The person in third was Betaray, and he is here.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on August 20, 2003, 02:26:31 PM
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CK9, you were an admin. Remember when op2hacker promoted 7+ people after Killer resigned?
I remember the promotion, but not the adminship.  Then again, I did have alot on my plate after the form died.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: BlackBox on August 20, 2003, 07:28:47 PM
I did that since I knew his pass and wanted to try to keep it alive

In hindsight, it only made it worse.


Xfir: martyn and I did edit his password.... then he was logged out.


I was responsible for the little features like random op2 tips, etc. That was my primary motivation to be an admin at that time, not for the power.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on August 21, 2003, 12:05:07 AM
you know what?  I just remembered it.  I remembered 'cause I thought of the time I was learning the admin features and was trying to add a smiliey.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Betaray on August 23, 2003, 07:34:56 PM
very intresting, its nice seeing our history in a nutshell lol

btw I havnt edited it because ive been in cali and havnt had access to the comp

btw ck9, I can barly remember that forum lol, I saw alot of off shoot forums just like the one phil made, but none of them ever picked up and faded into obsureaty
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Ezekel on September 11, 2003, 03:17:34 AM
um, that little story of your is kinda missing something (i.e. i'm not mentioned once!)

i've been around since the NHCS, i've always thought i was a good op fan (even though the only contributions i have made besides a few maps, are my many comments and suggestions and POV posts)
i was the one who made a standard "ship reference" for the OP universe, if you remember...
and i always thought i had been a good admin back at the killer forum...
also, i think it might be notable, that until knux and gpagarretboast started to post here (rather then at the OPC) the OPC was the primary forum...

sorry for my rant, but i just felt i deserved something...
and BTW, i was the 1st to get god rank on the killer forum (without changing my post count) but as i was an admin the whole way through it displayed "admin" and the 5 orange stars instead of "god"
sors CK9 ;)

and, also i believe that i would have overtaken kevin's post count if he had shut down a month later
(just pointing that out... i'm not a post count fanatic, and i don't post useless posts)
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: RipperKhan on September 11, 2003, 12:23:29 PM
and dont forget , i was at nhcs, i was even there before ezekel, and when won started going down and before any 1 thought of makeing a server, i was alrdy trying to find a place for u7s to play at like gamespyarcade, wich was almost promseing, but owell, i felt like i had to say somehting. isnce im always the more quite person here.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: OP2Patriot on September 11, 2003, 03:51:04 PM
Ezekel, your forum was only the primary one for two weeks, and before and after that it was a competition between the forums. Only during this summer did this forum come out on top. This is the 8000th post!
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Ezekel on September 12, 2003, 02:39:19 AM
oh yeh, and don't forget who brought xfir back into the fold....
yep, that was me (during one of my mass emails to all the idle profiles on the NHCS)... and i am pretty sure i was the reason that you reappeared ripperkhan

...ok enough gloating... i'm done (i think... i hope)
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: RipperKhan on September 12, 2003, 11:59:00 AM
well u may have. but i was keeping an out eye on when the new forums were being created , all i knew there better had be a new place for the op community, and i think we all had a help getting this community were it is now. and i think that deserves a lil pat on the back, dont u think so?
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: OP2Patriot on September 12, 2003, 12:52:02 PM
If we were really to talk about who got who here, I recall sending an e-mail asking for your participation here, Ezekel, a day or two before you started posting. Heck, if we really wanted to brag, I could really brag all day. I'm short on time, and have to go now.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Zircon on September 12, 2003, 01:03:24 PM
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If we were really to talk about who got who here, I recall sending an e-mail asking for your participation here, Ezekel, a day or two before you started posting. Heck, if we really wanted to brag, I could really brag all day. I'm short on time, and have to go now.
:rolleyes: It seems some peoples altitude suddenly increased... Watch out so you don't leave the atmosphere  ;)

Ripperkhan: and i think we all had a help getting this community were it is now.

Zircon: Wise words...
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: OP2Patriot on September 12, 2003, 01:26:35 PM
Now that I have time to reply to Ripper's post (I was replying to Ezekel's), the forum is where it is now due to two factors:

1) The posters making this an active forum
2) The administration working to make this forum better

Both factors are necessary for a good forum. If there were no posters, why would the administration work so hard to improve a community? If there were no people working to make this forum better, there would probably be no posters here either. Let us not forget that admins and mods are posters too. The whole community, from the newbie to the root admin have made this community work. The community has endured many hardships, from the NHCS closing down, the loss of a multiplayer server, the Killer Crisis, and the OPC vs OUF competition. Now we are about to have a multiplayer server. Now we are united under one forum, no longer quarreling why one forum is better than the other. We are in a period of prosperity, but that does not mean things cannot get better. We can even improve the community further. Maybe one day this forum will have an Outpost website! One day in the future, we may have tenfold the posters we have now! The only limits we have on ourselves now are the limits we place on ourselves!
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: BlackBox on September 12, 2003, 05:32:47 PM
Phil is definitely right.

Its not one person, or a small group of people, that make the forums better, bigger, stronger, but it is the whole. It is everyone.

So, stop your whining about who made this community succeed, and look at everyone.

The only single person we can really give credit to is Kevin Ar18, who started the community. And I don't want to have to give credit to anyone who causes a downfall of the community.

If you argue anymore about "who made it succeed" I will lock this topic.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Ezekel on September 15, 2003, 05:20:05 PM
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If we were really to talk about who got who here, I recall sending an e-mail asking for your participation here, Ezekel, a day or two before you started posting. Heck, if we really wanted to brag, I could really brag all day. I'm short on time, and have to go now.
well i was kinda here anyhow for a bit before then already, i have one of the first accounts (look at my ID no)
i just kinda reorganised stuff to give me more time so i could post here
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on October 18, 2003, 03:16:37 PM
will you guys shut it?  Does it matter at all who got wh here?  If it weren't for x, we'd all be forumless now because Ezekiel's forum is dead.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Jake on October 18, 2003, 04:10:08 PM
I liked the first post with all of the edits hehe  :lol:

But it's nice to know the history of all the people here :)
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Veno on October 25, 2003, 10:24:59 AM
And of course, I was the curtain puller. Thank you thank you, look how it goes up and down :)

Well, o well, we cant all be generals in the army. So consider me the infantry of this little birgade of egos :P

Anyways, thta was a nice history of the "Forum Era" of Op2.
BTW if anyone is interested in the "Era's of Op2" 'm pretty sure someone had summed it up nice on one of their clan pages. so if u guys isnterested im sur ei could dig it back up.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Luweeg64 on November 29, 2003, 10:01:19 PM
Almost as good as the bible...I know that should be the forum.outpostuniverse.net bible.
What was the smiley incident...?  :unsure:  
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Betaray on November 29, 2003, 10:04:46 PM
wow, in this entire thread I didnt see my name once, im suprised

btw the smily incadent was when ck9 was using smilys to the point where they were slowing down the forum taking bandwith and crap like that, and the admins made him stop
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Luweeg64 on November 29, 2003, 11:07:00 PM
oh lol, that would have had to have been a lot of smileys. :)
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: plymoth45 on November 29, 2003, 11:29:14 PM
undoubtably.  :op2:  :op2:  :op2:  :op2:  :op2:  
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on December 22, 2003, 01:41:27 PM
actually, it started with two in my sig:
this one:
:CK9's:
and one where the guy getting hit blows up.

Kiler and the other admins were editing my sig like crazy, which upset me, su I used a few 'inapropriate' smilies.  I was younger then :lol:
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Betaray on December 22, 2003, 08:07:59 PM
about 2 years younger lol

I liked the one with the ion cannon though lol :Betaray:  
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: BlackBox on December 23, 2003, 04:08:15 PM
was I on vacation when you did this? I can't remember any of it
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on December 23, 2003, 04:10:55 PM
no, I remember my sig saying [edit by Op2hacker]
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: BlackBox on December 23, 2003, 04:11:46 PM
huh? When was that?
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on December 23, 2003, 04:16:49 PM
before i reached God rank.  I remember the explanation I got when I was made a GM:

Quote
everyone's complaining about your rank and saying I should make you an admin.  Because of your actions [the smiley thing] I don't trust you, so you are only going to be a GM
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: BlackBox on December 23, 2003, 04:19:38 PM
That's stupid.


He probably knows nothing about stealing bandwidth... he probably does it all the time.

Well, G2G eat.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on December 23, 2003, 04:28:25 PM
huh?

it had nothing to do with bandwidth, the smilies were "inappropriate"
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: BlackBox on December 23, 2003, 05:38:53 PM
what was in them again?
(what kind of "inappropriate"?)
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on December 23, 2003, 09:52:33 PM
There was one that mooned, and the others had censored cursing (ex.: %#%@$#@%)
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: plymoth45 on December 23, 2003, 11:31:04 PM
ok, i'm to tired to bother reading the rest of the thread, but wht are u guys takling bout? :yawn:  
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on December 23, 2003, 11:58:40 PM
The smiley incident
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Duckie on March 19, 2004, 11:31:44 AM
No!!!!
more gloating, please!
 :D
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: kirby on April 07, 2004, 03:54:49 PM
I know this is kind of random, but did any of you people play on WON back in the day?
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on April 07, 2004, 04:18:49 PM
yea, I think everyone who was at kev's forums did.  lol, before the forum was lost forever, I went back there and saw my posts.  How inocent they seemed.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Phantom on April 07, 2004, 04:46:07 PM
I played once on WON, then they closed it down the day after. lol.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on April 07, 2004, 07:46:23 PM
When I first played on WON, I was maby nine or ten.  Joined Lev's clan the next year, then the clan fell apart about a week after the notice was coded into the WON start-up that we were going to loose the server perminatley.

Anyone here ever play on SIGS?  I was going to, but when my dad saw the language that you people used, he didn't let me because of my age.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Kiler on April 07, 2004, 10:52:44 PM
Wow.. I'm mentioned here  :) I feel so great now.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Phantom on April 07, 2004, 11:05:11 PM
lol, I thought WON was played over SIGS. Or are you talking about that client thing.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: BlackBox on April 08, 2004, 08:12:10 AM
SIGS was before WON..... It stood for Sierra Internet Gaming System.

I guess they must have decided they wanted a newer system so they upgraded to WON.... World Opponent Network it means. And that was upgraded thru the update system in the SIGS DLLs.

I never got to use SIGS... by the time I decided to see what it is, they were using WON.

I only played like 2 games on WON.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: ZeusBD on April 08, 2004, 10:42:05 AM
I played on WON while there would still be 100-150 people on at any one time, sometimes quite a bit more. I remember back in the when you could actually find a good game and that no one would cheat. The WON started falling apart and I would get on and be the only one on for hours at a time.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on April 09, 2004, 04:39:28 PM
Oh well, it was good while it lasted.  We all had good times, right guys?
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Arklon on April 17, 2004, 08:09:59 PM
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How many here are from the NHCS? There I was #4, at the end. In first was KevinAr18, he does not post anymore. Ezekel was #2. He doesn't post at this forum if anywhere. The person in third was Betaray, and he is here.
I know this is an old quote, but still.

I posted 1 thread at the NHCS's old UBB (yes, the UBB), under the name "PsycoManiac101". I was probably 9 or 10 at the time.

I talk to Kevin often on AIM now.x


As for WON, I unfortunately started using it when it began to fall apart. I heard that part of the reason it fell apart was because of the use of the "Dan's" cheats. Just a few months after I started using it, it showed the message that the server would be gone on September 2, 2002.
...
OP2 has already been at its peak... it is slowly declining now. :(
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on April 17, 2004, 10:08:57 PM
over my dead body! (well, one of them, lol)

seeing as we are getting some new players, maby it will have a second climax, like many good books do.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Sammyk on May 09, 2004, 07:15:16 PM
how many dead bodies do you have???
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on May 09, 2004, 07:51:13 PM
How many lives have I lived?
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Sammyk on May 09, 2004, 10:00:47 PM
1 that i no of. haha
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Phantom on May 10, 2004, 11:27:15 AM
lol. Yah, WON. Good times, good times. Even though I only got to play one game, it was still good times. lol.

After that I played a couple modem games with my friend, and that was about it for multiplayer (cuz he got board of it. :'( )

So I would just play the single missions over and over again. Then I cam across this forum a couple of months ago, and I am closer to playing multiplayer. But not much closer though. lol.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Sammyk on May 10, 2004, 03:08:55 PM
ok. im lost.  
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on May 10, 2004, 09:57:15 PM
aren't you always?  lol jk
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Sammyk on May 11, 2004, 03:10:17 PM
pretty much. haha
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Phantom on May 11, 2004, 10:40:22 PM
It doesnt take long to catch on to op2, so don't worry. lol.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on June 14, 2004, 08:58:12 PM
lol, very true phantom
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: PlayingOutpost0-24 on March 20, 2005, 09:21:41 PM
And so it goes on... there were many battles between the admins... xfir vs. hacker and levi... Well if you are here you know who won :)
Everything seemed like its going to be smooth but today, the 20th/21th of March, 2005, op.xfir.net, opu.xfir.net and 312productions.xfir.net closes down.
Shortly: xfir - dropped.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Leviathan on March 20, 2005, 09:24:00 PM
and rises the new domain

OUTPOST-UNIVERSE.NET

enjoy ur stay.
 
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: PlayingOutpost0-24 on March 20, 2005, 09:25:25 PM
Happy end :)
For the newsa admins... :/
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Mez on March 21, 2005, 11:49:25 AM
Depends which side you are looking at it from
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Post by: Nightmare24148 on March 21, 2005, 10:11:18 PM
Hmmm too bad the rift happened...

Hopefully Xfir'll come along here one day...then we can be one again...I mean cmon were a small community as it is...

^_^
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: spirit1flyer on March 21, 2005, 10:17:07 PM
I don't think he will come back  
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: jesusfreak06 on March 21, 2005, 10:40:57 PM
i don't agree with this whole switch the aadministrators thing.. it's not fair to xfir, who's the one who started this forum, ESPECIALLY since he didn't do nefing, lev and hacker just got power hungry.. and look what they did to poor xfir, oo, this annoys me..
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Drakmar on March 21, 2005, 11:04:03 PM
I don't agree either. I think that no one should be backstabbed like that. Xfir trusted Lev and Hacker, and look what they did to him! I don't think they are very trustworthy anymore.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Oprime on March 22, 2005, 02:29:20 PM
Ok, I'm trying to keep on my mind open on this one.

First of all, there might have been a possibility that it could have been done a little bit more smoothly. But... you have to remember that xfir was already growing tired of running the site and most likely would have deleted it before putting it under the control of another person. I'm really not on anybody's side on this 1 (trying to stay out of the line of fire) but I'll tell you it most likely wouldn't have been as easy as a switch as it was.

I've been in the forums long enough to know that xfir was getting tired of adding and trying new things, editing new posts, and generally looking at all the forums. So it seemed to me as if xfir didn't really care about the forums anymore. Might also have been that xfir's dream of a site had succeed and he just lost a lot of the interest he had before once his dream was “done”.

Quote Dexter’s Lab
“My greatest invention is a success.” <--- I guess it’s time to start another one ;)
 
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Post by: Leviathan on March 22, 2005, 02:36:52 PM
Thanks for the input. As I said in the forum move thread, we wernt 100% ready to move when we did. But it was gonna happen anyway. We knew people would be anoyed, we knew people wouldnt agree. So we couldnt win,
Dont move = dont get what we think the community wants/needs, offend noone.
Move  = get what community wants/needs, offend people.
We did what we though the community wants/needs.
Only time will tell if we were right.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Leviathan on March 22, 2005, 04:28:32 PM
OK Ive just read this thread for the first time. Thx PlayingOP for reawaikening it.

OP2Patriot wrote:
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the forum is where it is now due to two factors:
1) The posters making this an active forum
2) The administration working to make this forum better
Both factors are necessary for a good forum. If there were no posters, why would the administration work so hard to improve a community? If there were no people working to make this forum better, there would probably be no posters here either. Let us not forget that admins and mods are posters too. The whole community, from the newbie to the root admin have made this community work. The community has endured many hardships, from the NHCS closing down, the loss of a multiplayer server, the Killer Crisis, and the OPC vs OUF competition. Now we are about to have a multiplayer server. Now we are united under one forum, no longer quarreling why one forum is better than the other. We are in a period of prosperity, but that does not mean things cannot get better. We can even improve the community further. Maybe one day this forum will have an Outpost website! One day in the future, we may have tenfold the posters we have now! The only limits we have on ourselves now are the limits we place on ourselves!
We now have that Outpost community website. And we are working hard to improve things like he said.

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Phil is definitely right. Its not one person, or a small group of people, that make the forums better, bigger, stronger, but it is the whole. It is everyone. So, stop your whining about who made this community succeed, and look at everyone.
We hope we can make the community (its no longer just the forums, because we have expaned lots since then) better, bigger and stronger.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on March 22, 2005, 06:44:54 PM
Too bad phil isn't here now, it's his word that would probably settle the tides...afterall, he's always been a trusted member of the forums by all the posters
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Post by: jesusfreak06 on April 06, 2005, 08:02:34 AM
well, i'm still a critic when it comes to this switch.. u say that the community is in charge, but for how long? r u guys goin to go thro another power struggle or is the forum gonna continue for the better of all OP fans world wide? and i didn't notice xfir was ever gettin tired of the forum or annoyed with running it... this is news to me
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Post by: Leviathan on April 06, 2005, 08:08:16 AM
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the forum gonna continue for the better of all OP fans world wide
thats y we did it.
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Post by: OP2Patriot on April 06, 2005, 07:40:14 PM
*about to be overrun in Eden Population Hard, debates whether or not to turn on my trainer* *decides to pause game and go online* *gets over here*

Auntie 'Em! Auntie 'Em! ... Leave a community for over a year ... and lots of stuff happens. *hits self on head* Philbo, what did you expect what happen?

*tries to figure out what the blazes is going on*

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Too bad phil isn't here now, it's his word that would probably settle the tides...afterall, he's always been a trusted member of the forums by all the posters

Last time I tried to settle tides I was at war with half the forum, and I become the official scapegoat. Here's the deal, I am back for now. *tries to figure out what is happening*
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Post by: CK9 on April 06, 2005, 08:18:58 PM
When was that?  I remember an argument over the temp-banning of it...
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Post by: OP2Patriot on April 06, 2005, 08:22:59 PM
Well, it was back ... I'd say summer 2003ish, where it2000us and a few posters decided to be uncivil. I told xfir go for the iron fist approach, advice I would never give again, and we pretty much had a war of sorts with the uncivil posters, and they tried to make Ezekel's forum active again.
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Post by: CK9 on April 07, 2005, 10:28:37 AM
now I remember, I was trying to convince you guys to go a little easier on him...oops :heh:
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Post by: Arklon on April 10, 2005, 03:35:24 PM
Wow. Well, time to say this and put myself in a crossfire... or say this and then magically disappear for several months again.

Today, I got bored and decided to see what was new at the OPU forums. But, instead of forums, I saw a white page, with a message in black times new roman font. And a link at the bottom.

First of all, let me remind you of what this place is. A message board for a computer game. This isn't politics. Pretty ridiculous for something like this to happen TWO times, only xfir didn't do anything nearly as bad as Kiler (edit: accidentally put someone else, it was floating around in my head and I mindlessly typed it up) did the first time, if he did anything at all.

Lev, you said you did this to do what you thought the community wanted/needed. Notice that you only THOUGHT that. Why did you assume what the community wanted when the whole community is around you? Why didn't you ask them instead of ask yourself?

Hmm... can't say anything else. Yet. Let me make more sense of what happened first...
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: OP2Patriot on April 11, 2005, 03:18:03 AM
To make a quick point, we've had politics in this community at least ever since Killer's first admin killing spree. Then we had the forum war between this forum and Ezekel's. Oh, then there was the incident I was referring to earlier. For as long as I have had any powers in any Outpost forum and since I've noticed politics.

I actually teach my staff at my forum about this forum so that they have an idea on how to handle worse case scenarios. Other forums are not as complicated as this forum when it comes to the community.

The chief concern at the moment shouldn't be finger pointing, we already have enough of that on both sides, but it should be making this community uncomplicated.

Now this view, I hope it won't sound like heresy to some of you, but my belief is that with a more active forum, some of the Outpost projects we want to get done will follow, not the other way around. If we keep on having incidents which divide the community, we will lose people from dissatisfaction.

Here is my observation, and I will state it without siding with anyone: Like it or not, op2hacker and Lev got their hands dirty. It was the means which we got be the current ends which probably does not put much confidence in the current administration. We can stock this forum up with as many moderators as we want, but the true power staffwise is the administrator, and it is my belief that there will be more confidence in the administration here at this forum with either a neutral party or pro-xfir administrator. Whether or not the right thing was done by Lev and hacker is another thing, but what they did was definitly didn't make for much of a good PR move.

Anyways, my suggestion I want strongly considered if not taken: we need to take steps which would serve to decomplicate the community. There may be confidence in Lev and hacker as programmers, but not as much as leaders of a community forum. We need to have whatever divide between this community eliminated. Suggestions from both sides and neutral parties I would like to hear.

We should focus less on what was done but more on what to do.
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Post by: Leviathan on April 11, 2005, 04:25:00 AM
Were ready to hear your suggestions, about anything and everything.
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Oprime on May 15, 2006, 07:46:03 AM
Xfir has started up a forum with the old database. Just wanted to point that out  :op2:. Not sure if they will be taking it in the OP2 route still tho.
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Post by: BlackBox on May 15, 2006, 08:19:34 AM
That's old news, he did it quite a while ago (perhaps a month or more, I'm not certain how long ago).

It's got very little to do with OP2... most of it is just general discussion / chat.
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Post by: spirit1flyer on May 15, 2006, 10:37:32 AM
for the ratio of members here and the amount of posts on OP2, Compared to the amount of members there and the amount of OP2 posts,  I would say that its equal in amount.    
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: HaXtOr on May 15, 2006, 12:35:26 PM
Can't we all just get along and have a nice game of op2? Is that so much to ask?

 
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Post by: spirit1flyer on May 15, 2006, 02:10:01 PM
nope its not.    In fact we were mulling over the idea of having a tourny.

Just because some of us support Xfir,   Does not mean we can't get along.
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Post by: lordly_dragon on May 16, 2006, 12:15:37 PM
a tournament this sound like a good idea :) I approve :D


edit: and count me in
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Post by: OP2Patriot on May 25, 2006, 06:52:28 PM
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That's old news, he did it quite a while ago (perhaps a month or more, I'm not certain how long ago).

It would be more widely known if there had not been so much censoring of our attempts to mention the news.

As I've stated at xfir's ... soon to be the Plymouth Command Site, I am up for a tourney.
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Post by: CK9 on May 25, 2006, 09:53:12 PM
if we do get a tourney going, someone better help me figure how to get IP to work through a network I can't access the router on (my dad forgot the password he set on the router at home >.< )
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Post by: Sl0vi on May 26, 2006, 07:03:53 PM
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if we do get a tourney going, someone better help me figure how to get IP to work through a network I can't access the router on (my dad forgot the password he set on the router at home >.< )
Use hamachi
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Post by: CK9 on May 27, 2006, 12:23:43 AM
hamachi lags me too much
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Post by: spirit1flyer on May 27, 2006, 09:44:11 AM
A router messes things up bigtime.   thats why every game I have tried since I got it, does not work.
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Post by: CK9 on May 27, 2006, 03:37:34 PM
is there such thing as a splitter cable for a LAN line?
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Mez on May 29, 2006, 07:08:41 AM
You could splice the cable.

But you could only use one end of the cable at once, unless ur possibly wanting to do some packet sniffing???
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: CK9 on May 29, 2006, 03:55:19 PM
If I could split it, I could get the connection before it hits the router.
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Post by: BlackBox on May 29, 2006, 05:18:59 PM
You might be able to.. I read somewhere apparently that cat5 cable (ethernet) can carry up to 4 connections at a time. However I doubt that many network appliances will actually use the extra wires.

Splicing the cables probably isn't that smart.. although the ethernet packets contain MAC addresses so multiple devices on one line can work.. however splicing like that doesn't prevent collisions when two devices send a packet at exactly the same time.

Also, the cable / dsl modem will probably only assign an IP to one of the connected devices (it gets IP's from your ISP. Most residential connections only get 1 IP per household, unless you pay extra for more IP's).

That's why you have to use a router rather than just a plain old hub since the router assigns IP's on an internal network, and only has 1 IP on the internet side.

Can't you go into your router settings and port forward the op2 ports to your computer? There's no reason why it shouldn't work (unless you have a router that doesn't handle NAT properly).
Failing that, hamachi might be your only option (at least for now).
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Post by: CK9 on May 30, 2006, 09:46:18 AM
My dad forgot the password he set to the router controls >.>
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Post by: Mez on May 30, 2006, 03:39:32 PM
Hacker what you are refering to
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read somewhere apparently that cat5 cable (ethernet) can carry up to 4 connections at a time.
Is that cat 5 (or even cat 3 for that matter) contains 8 individual cables. they form four pairs of cables.
Only one pair of those cables is used (in some higher speed propietry networks two pairs are used, so im told).  This leaves another 3 pairs of cables for use in networking.

Yes i know it sounds crazy, and i know that there is no consumer, real life use for all four pairs, and even network technitions generally cant be arsed spliting the cable to use all four pairs (cos its messy, an it takes less effort on there part to just lay another cable).

The final option is just to reset your router, there is normally a button on the unit you push with a piece of wire.  I just had to do that for a neighbours connection so i could add more wireless devices.
The only pain with the reset is if you have to reset any security or if you have forgotton the ISP settings, username and password, all of which can be obtained with a phone call!
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Post by: Freeza-CII on May 30, 2006, 04:52:09 PM
From what i see only the GIGAlan uses all 8 wires all your basic 10/100baseT is only going to use 4 wires  Green Greenwhite Orange and Orangewhite set on the correct pin on each end of the cable.  The Blue and Brown pair are both entirly unused there for you can have 2 networks going down the same group of cables.

when used for a phone line cat5 can hold 4 connections but Lan is going to be 2 lines 4 wires per connection.
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Post by: CK9 on May 30, 2006, 11:03:07 PM
um, we often have to reset the router to get wireless to work, only we turn it off then turn it back on, lol
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Post by: Oprime on May 31, 2006, 08:07:30 AM
Um....  (OT)

p.s. You would never want to use all 4 pairs in a 100Mb (Cat5e) to get 2 connections since there will be interference from the other pairs which will make the connections show up with lots o collisions. It can be done with 10baseT (Cat3 or Cat5) tho. Copper Giga ethernet uses all 4 pairs but, Cat 6 or 7 (yes it does exist) is recommended. 10Gb ethernet can use fiber or be a hybrid fiber/copper system.
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Post by: lordly_dragon on June 01, 2006, 12:30:55 PM
Reset your router using the little button on its back... it is supose to reset to factory default...if i remember corect my little VPN/network class.
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Post by: BlackBox on June 01, 2006, 04:39:42 PM
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You would never want to use all 4 pairs in a 100Mb (Cat5e) to get 2 connections since there will be interference from the other pairs which will make the connections show up with lots o collisions.
The length of the cable would be short enough that it wouldn't be an issue (it's sufficiently shielded). Cat5 isn't really designed to be run more than a couple hundred feet or so anyway, so you're asking for trouble if you have a really long cable and are only running one connection inside the line.
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Post by: op2rules on November 14, 2006, 09:37:00 PM
Woah, this is the first time i read this thread and wow, i never knew opu came from such an old place! I wish i could get more research on this though!
Title: How We Got So Far.
Post by: Brazilian Fan on November 15, 2006, 01:33:05 PM
Correct me if I am wrong:

This topic was created to tell the history of the OP community.

So why you guys are talking about conspiracy and internet problems?
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Post by: op2rules on November 15, 2006, 05:10:05 PM
You can't blame them, there isn't much to talk about it anymore.
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Post by: Nightmare24148 on December 25, 2006, 10:38:02 PM
Okay its been a long time, now Ive totally forgotten - WHY exactly did the rift happen i.e. xfir went away?
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Post by: lordly_dragon on December 26, 2006, 01:37:00 AM
Like me...( I dont know a thing) but I suggest you don't ask further...always a touchy and grungy subject around here  :lol:  
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Post by: Leviathan on December 26, 2006, 05:44:30 AM
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Okay its been a long time, now Ive totally forgotten - WHY exactly did the rift happen i.e. xfir went away?
Me and hacker took over the forum and moved it to this domain out of xfir's control. We did this because we wanted the forums in the communitys control without any restriction. Eg we wanted a new forum section with xfir and he didnt wanna have it.

So of cource this annoyed people and there you go.
 
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Post by: spirit1flyer on December 26, 2006, 11:59:51 AM
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We did this because we wanted the forums in the communitys control without any restriction

I'm keeping my mouth shut here.    <_<  
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Post by: instigator on December 26, 2006, 02:18:02 PM
I think the history of what has happend to this outpost community is awsome. Its so rare that people have actually stayed together dispite the "strife/conflict" they've had. This is what makes us a community. I just hope that everyone stays together! This place has a nice future for it; that I know. I would like to express my thanks to Leviathan and his work here. I'm sure there has been times that people would just like to totally give up this idea of an outpost community. But hey look, we are still here! and I for one don't plan on leaving. The New Year is coming! My hope is that we will continue to add chapters to our history as an outpost2 community well into the future. After all,

Extinction is not an option
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Post by: lordly_dragon on January 05, 2007, 05:40:44 PM
We SHOULDN'T recall this over and over again...I wasnt here and I do not want to know anything about it. Past is past....
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Post by: Savant 231-A on January 26, 2007, 01:10:04 PM
*sniff* all comments that i thought to use were used by others.

So only what i have to say is:

Long live our OPU. For Admin and Forums!

*Takes a glass of wine and drinks it in one!*
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Post by: Arklon on July 10, 2007, 03:45:12 PM
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Both communities stand today in peaceful co-existance.
Just reading through this again... um, this isn't really true :P
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Post by: Sl0vi on July 10, 2007, 09:58:42 PM
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Both communities stand today in peaceful co-existance.
Just reading through this again... um, this isn't really true :P
One is too busy fighting amongst itself, and the other one is dead. How is that not peaceful? :P
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Post by: Freeza-CII on July 11, 2007, 02:08:37 AM
how exactly is one fighting among itself?
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Post by: CK9 on July 27, 2007, 05:08:43 PM
one community is just a shell were the oldies go to chat, the other is the place where all the newbies get introduced =p
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Post by: Sirbomber on December 09, 2008, 07:10:27 PM
Hey, maybe it's time to update ye olde forum history?
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Post by: CK9 on December 10, 2008, 12:16:27 PM
I would, but I was away for much of the newer history.  If you want to write something up and send it to me, i'll gladly look it over and add it in.
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Post by: zhukant on December 11, 2008, 12:17:19 AM
Lol, one of the few web communities that actually deserves a history =] I approve.
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Post by: Eddy-B on July 16, 2009, 05:42:16 PM
I got to this thread again, and found the links to be dead, so here's a link that does work:

http://op.virtualave.net/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20030624060414/http://op.virtualave.net/)
This is how the site appeared at the moment of op2hacker's post in august 2003.

(i've also updated the links in the original post by op2hacker)
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Post by: entropino on September 09, 2015, 12:28:51 PM
Wow what a history
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Post by: Drakmar on September 09, 2015, 10:41:56 PM
Yeah, this community is a perfect example of life imitating art. LOL