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Off Topic => Computers & Programming General => Topic started by: Leviathan on November 28, 2005, 05:02:17 PM
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Well after looking at the internet connection thread i thought id post this.
Just wonderd if anyone could or does run a server on there home connection and would be willing to let OPU use it?
Linux or Windows is good. Infact id like a windows server to run colony wars server on.
Currently we have servers from Freeza, Joe and myself.
We use em for backups, irc bots and bncs, web server backup if we evea need somewhere to temporaly put website etc.
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I would say to go for linux only; its easier to manage and more secure. as far as the colony wars go, you can use WINE to run it most likely.
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im only a 1.5 adsl so nothing major can happen on me because im not the only one that uses the internet here lol.
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So, I could be an OPCW server god? And take it down whenever I want for "maintenance" and kick people off of it for life because they made fun of me or they're better than me? :evil laugh:
I'll think about it...
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I might be able to do it someday, I'm thinking about making a render server. That could also double as a server... wait... oh darn... stupid ISP.. (they don't allow hosting with my current plan) :( :(
This stinks..
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you should be able to what evea you like with ur bandwidth..?
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Yeah I'd think they'd allow it so long as it's not a well known service open to anyone (e.g. HTTP, anon FTP, etc) I wouldn't think they'd have a problem.
I might also add: We'd only take people who are trustworthy. Because we'd have to trust you with our data.
You have to be on a fast, always on connection.
Some pluses for us:
- Fast upload, low lag
- Able to run public servers
- root/Administrator control on a dedicated box
- UPS on the box and ur network equipment (eg router, modem, etc) is nice but not required.
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Yea it should be a seprate machine than the one you use to do stuff. Like a server comp with no screen that you can tuck away. Mines in my wardrobe :)
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why have just one server? what about haveing multiple servers? a whole network of them so if one goes down the others can handle the load. you could then have much more bandwith. we could do somethign liek Seti at home only have them be servers not looking for aliens
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are u able to host a server for us Moogle?
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shure, I did it before for durring the Irc problems. I can probalby have a nice 1.00 Ghz p3/4 with 512mb of ram and a beefy 60-80 gigs of harddrive space built in a few days. I have all the parts and such.
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Thanks a lot, sounds great, any power is good :D
No rush. You gonna put linux on it ? What distro? Debian? Red Hat?
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Well If your running a server for OPU there better not be any mischief going on in the background such as removing people because you dont like them or they pissed you off. Or shuting down the server just because you can. Threatning to shutdown the server is sorely looked upon.
BTW i have a UPS i need to plug it into the bot computer some time.
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Oooo Freeza.
I should setup another sever also on my second net connection.
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Hmm, sometime I should run out to St. Vinnies or Goodwill and pick up some of those old boxes, fix them up and get them online. I have plenty of space for machines (huge walk in closet)
Believe it or not, you don't need a lot of power to run a server. Even a spare 233mhz P2 we could put to use in some way. The programs that we currently run aren't very CPU intensive. (The only exceptions are the fast machines, where we could run web or ftp servers, with permission of the machine owner of course).
Also, let us know what connection type you're on if you want to run a server with us (e.g. max bandwidth, monthly bandwidth limit if any, restrictions on what the ISP allows you to do, and network topology from the box to the internet (routers, switches, NAT boxes, firewalls, etc))
Also, machines you want us to use should be connected to a wired LAN, not thru wireless as wireless can be too unstable. Again, a box that is being used as a workstation doesn't count as a proper server, or boxes that are going to be toyed with in other ways. Or boxes where the power cord might get pulled out.
Again we take preference to people running Linux boxes who would be willing to give us full root access to the box.
If you want to run a server but don't have the technical knowledge to install a proper OS, let us know and we can walk you through installing the OS.
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I could probably throw something together at some point. I have a 6/6mb stable connection at home that I could use plus unlimited upload bandwidth.
I eventually want to get a server computer running anyway so that I can eventually put together the OPUON (Outpost Universe Online Network) for OP:MIA and OP3 to use.
We'll see how things go.
EDIT:
Forgot to mention. Chances are it will be a Win2003 server simply because that's what I know and it works well for me. Additionally, I only develop software for use on the Win32 platform because I don't really like Linux that much (the GUI is foreign and I don't feel like learning the command line stuff... for me that died with DOS).
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So are we going to use my idea of a big cluster of servers so that one person isn't getting his/her bandwith sucked dry? This would be good also to have redundancy as it would suck to loose info and have downtime.
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We don't know yet.
It depends what the servers would be used for.
It also depends on whether the server software would have cluster support.
I can make some suggestions as to what they could possibly be used for, either now or in the future:
It would depend on the bandwidth available.
- File mirroring
- IRC bots / BNCs
- Backup slaves
- 3D Rendering slaves, if you have the extra bandwidth
- Dedicated BT seeders for OP-related files
- Possibly, HTTP backup servers for when the main server goes down
- OP:CW server
- Backup IRC servers
- Various other things, such as number crunching (the stats generator for the OPU|Bot is somewhat CPU intensive)
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Well, the biggest reason I'm setting up a server is so that I can test Server/Client applications that I'm developing for OPUON. It's going to be new software and a new protocall because we just don't have enough of the SIGS/WON protocall information figured out and I'm getting very close to the point of needing the server-side software operational.
Although, I very much like Moogle's cluster idea... I just don't know if Win2003 supports it or not (or if I need 3rd-party software or something) so eh... whatever.
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Erm? OPUON??
The more machines the better.
And one of the reasons i started this thread was because i saw Leeor had 6meg upload :) Most ppl hav crapy upload. So would be great if u could get a server up at some point.
We dont need to do any cpu shareing cluster stuff. But a admin panel or something so you could start/stop stuff on any machine from one place would be helpfully.
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I think clustering might actually increase bandwidth use due to the syncronization issues. I could be wrong though. But still, it'd be a pain to setup, and if the DNS server goes down, well, what can you do anyways?
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So anyone wanna setup a server for us?
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Well I have a linux box I use only as a Nat router for 2 computers. If you want I'll give you guys SSH access to it. It hardly ever goes over 1% the way I use the thing. Here are it's specs Pentium 200MMX 64MB Ram and a 8.4GB harddrive. I have a 256Kb up/768Kb down connection. Forgot to mention that it has Smoothwall which pretty much is a bare linux OS with some added stuff like apache, open SSH, DHCP, and bind.
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Great OutpostPrime! Thx a lot :D
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:P I have since upgraded that old dell and turned it into... frankendell. I busted some holes in the machine and now it has a Pentium 3, 192MB of ram. Installed this odd version of linux I found on Distrowatch.com. It's called clarkconnect. Based on redhat
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If you want a distro based on Red Hat get Fedora Core.
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Yeah, I'd say at this point at least FC2 or higher based distro..
Personally I'm not much of a fan for any Red Hat distros, personally I like Debian, and I like slackware (slackware is not for the faint of heart however. Yes, it was the first linux distro I played with, but the going was pretty rough (I knew about 10% of what I know now involving UNIX / Linux))
Slackware is the hardest to use but it's also very good for power users like myself who like to tweak everything they can tweak (and it's not too demanding of your system resources as some other distros can be. Though, I don't know how the current slackware distro is, I've only ever used 9.1).
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Ok I have a FTP backup site setup on my webserver for anyone who wants to use it.
ftp://iliketoburnthings.kicks-ass.net (http://ftp://iliketoburnthings.kicks-ass.net)
port 21
Max upload to server : Unknown?
Average Download from server : 40kbsec
max space : to be determined
pm me with the name you want and your password you desire
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Thx for leting us use the server Moogle :)
Whats your connection speed, and its runing windows yea?
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Well, I have several questions.
First of all, how can I tell that my computer is a server or not? I know it's not one of those big supercomputers they have at my mom's work, but it could be some other type of server.
Second, what exactly will you need servers for? Added to this question, how much memory/space will you be using up? If I decide to allow you to use my computer, I wouldn't want to give you ALL of it's working capability, would I? This is not a rhetorical question, by the way :P.
Finally, if I give you access to my computer, will you be able to see everything stored on it? I do have personal and private things stored on it, and I wouldn't want it to get into the wrong hands.
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Any computer can be a server, as long as its not real slow :)
We prolly wouldnt want to use computers that you use on a day to day basis. Well linux maybe because you wont c what were runing on ur desktop. Well runing programs can prolly be hiden in windows also from your view.
A server is a machine which is on 24/7.
I said in the first post what we would prolly use em for.
Small programs dont need much space.
We wouldnt push a machine to its limit by using all of the CPU, that takes a lot to do anyway. You may be runing things on it as well and we would make sure our stuff didnt interfere with them.
If you give us 100% access (root on linux) then we have 100% access but if you dont then we dont have access to your personal files then do we :P And anyway any of your own stuff we would not interfere, copy files or tamper with.
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Thanks, Lev.
Since you say that you wouldn't want to use a machine that I use regularly, then it would probably be a bad idea. I'm on this most of the time I'm at home. This machine is also on the slow side. It has 256 MB of ram, barely enough to run all of my programs. Maybe I'll get a new computer soon, and make that into a server. Until that, sorry for the trouble. :(
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No trouble at all. Glad to help and answer questions as allways.
Yea if ur using ur comp which aint that good anyway you wouldnt want extra stuff on it.
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webhosting would also be welcome :)
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If you want to run a server but don't have the technical knowledge to install a proper OS, let us know and we can walk you through installing the OS.
how about I think it would be kinda cool to, but the spare parts around my house are very outdated? There's a server box in my garage that my dad took home from work when they were being audited, :heh: and the computer I convinced my dad to let me put windows 98 back onto.
The box has been completely scavenged, we took everything out of it 'cause it was having issues, but I know where all the parts are and know well enough how to put it together again.
If I get an opportunity to, I'm going to see if dear old dad let me just have one, seeing as I REALLY want a stationary comp that I can dump some of my files on so I can keep my laptop as clean as possible, and if I can I could keep a seperate drive on it for that. We have quite a few hard drives, memory cards, graphics cards, sound cards, power boxes, ect. They are a bit "obsolete" but if it works it works, right?
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i think it would depend on how slow it is and the size of the drives Size of the drives mostly.
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woot people are actualy useing my server ^_^
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i think it would depend on how slow it is and the size of the drives Size of the drives mostly.
What if I were to put 5 drives into the computer? All are in the Meg capacities (128 and 256).
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I'm currently working on setting my old comp up as a server. Got ftp and Apache running on it at the moment :D
It's a P2 233 mhz, 64 mb ram, 6 GB harddisk. Running WinME at the moment, but I plan on "upgrading" to Win98. This baby is about the same age as OP2, and I remember many good hours of playing OP2 on it too. :D
I hope on being able to keep it running 24/7, and would like to share it with you guys.
Edit - My connection speed is 1024/256. Made a small mistake there :P
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Thanks Sl0vi. Sounds good :)
If you need help seting stuff up just ask!
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Right now my 'personal' server's not doing s***. But I've got 20 slide-in rack servers pushing Xenon's at work, with about a terabyte of total space. We're using about 300 gigs for programs, and 100 gigs of documents, and the rest are sitting there doing nothing.
It's on RedHat linux, I forget what version, and again, very stagnant. I'd much rather it be put to use. However, I need to resolve it to a domain name, which involves more work than I have time for at the moment.
I'll get back to you guys with more detailed info.. like RAM, i have no earthly idea how much ram I put in those babies.
-Chris
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there is no need to resolve it to a domain name
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What if I were to put 5 drives into the computer? All are in the Meg capacities (128 and 256).
I would try and get a raid card or two, and set up an array using all of your drives. That way the access times will be greatly reduced, and be a viable solution to "dump" files on the HDD's
It would also prevent HDD failure becoming a problem. AS if one drive goes down, you can rebuild/still access all of your data (As the drives sound used and old)
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well, I was getting the comp I have been given out of the garage and I noticed another one that was torn apart. It had a 20 GB HD, 1 memory card, and an INtel Celeron processor (all of which I have pocketed in case they become useful to me).
I was fortunate to find that a network card had already been installed onto the computer before, so I don't have to go out and buy one, but I will have to find a good monitor for a low price, the only one we have available is from way back when we had windows 3.0, a VERY long time ago
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I thought I would offer up my services just because I like OP2 soooo much, haha.
First, I have some paid webhosting it has 20GB of space and 1TB a month. I would be glad to offer any amount (leave some room for me though, lol).
Next, I have a Dell Server with Dual 3.06Ghz HT Xeons, 1GB DDR RAM, and 2x150GB SATA drives running on RAID 1 (can do RAID 0 if worried bout backups). Windows 2k3 installed. The one down side is I only have 256kb/s up right now. I am going to upgrade it to 512kb/s if I have a reason. I can give you remote desktop access if you need.
Hope this can help you guys. I know Im new to the site, but Im here to stay.
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wow! that is a heck of a server!
anyone know how to setup a email server?
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it would be real sweet if we could have web hosting :)
because of the space we wouldnt use it for files, just forum and maybe site. that dosent take up much space at all.
thanks
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I would be glad to host this site on my hosting :)
What OS are you putting the mail server on?
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I have an old comp (pII 233 32mb ram 30 gig hd) that i dont even use really. It would have to be behind a router and i really dont have any idea how to set it up, so tell me what to do and its all yours.
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Im switching my servers slowly over to linux, working on being abble to host other sites on my NEW doimain www.jertechonline.com
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I have an old comp (pII 233 32mb ram 30 gig hd)
To be honest, this computer is a little too old to be a server. The only utility would be the 30GB Hd.
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The 32mb Ram is really too small to run anything on, but thanks for the offer.
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Actually... Linux will run quite well in even as little as 4 mb of ram. (with a reduced kernel) Granted we couldn't run large servers with it, but it's still better than nothing.
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yea...somehow my wrt54gs manages just fine with 32mb and no swap, and thats with a ramdisk. ild say go for it