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Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Stormy on August 18, 2005, 06:25:26 PM
Know how sometimes in IRC the talk goes 'rotten' and is sometimes innapropriate for younger audiences? Ive come up with an idea that could keep younger kids out of trouble with their parents. Some parents, if they see that their child is on a place that talks about some things they shouldn't be seeing/chatting about, they will most likely 'ban' them from OPU, therefore making the community smaller, as we lose some younger players. My suggestion is that you guys make a Seperate chatroom for the 'mature' stuff, so that little kids dont get in trouble.

And guys, Please try to keep the Cussing to a minimum, it can REALLY REALLY hurt people's feelings, and has an bad influence on people.

I'm not mad at anyone, im just suggesting something to keep people from mad and maybe leaving. Please tell me what you think.  (thumbsup)

In other words: If you want to solve a problem, don't go and cuss about it, that will just make the other person mad, and will prolong the problem. It also 'hurts' the community, People have feelings, and sometimes you may not realize that what you're saying could REALLY hurt someone.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: BlackBox on August 18, 2005, 06:36:34 PM
Well, I have a couple things to say.

1- When has there been little kids who have been 'banned' from using IRC because of language issues? I, personally, have never seen it happen. (Let alone there be kids that young in there anyway)

2- Use a language filter if it offends you/someone else. That's an inherent thing about IRC that you can't really change. (In other words if the parents are worried about such language then they really shouldnt be letting the kid use IRC in the first place)

3- Isn't it kind of hypocritical to talk about 'bad language' then use words like 'pissed' in your statement? No offense, but it does sort of seem that way.

Edit: ahh, ok, you changed it. Better now :)
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: zigzagjoe on August 18, 2005, 06:41:18 PM
hmm, thats pretty much what i was going to say  :heh:.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Stormy on August 18, 2005, 06:45:23 PM
The reason I say this, is because I am young, although I am more mature than most people my age. I am not saying that kids have gotten in trouble, but for some people the Swearing is Wrong and extremely offencive.

Also, this is mainly about the innapropriate things that are talked about, Im suggesting that you move them to a different room. Some people don't want or even LIKE to see talk about that, it gives bad influences. I'm speaking for many people who I am not going to name. I believe that this material is Wrong, and it should be moved somewhere else.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: zigzagjoe on August 18, 2005, 06:49:33 PM
I share that view for the most part, but its not going to happen.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: BlackBox on August 18, 2005, 07:03:14 PM
Yeah I'd agree with you on that, some of that talk could be done in a different room.

Problem is though, it's impossible to change it. The special room is only useful if people choose to utilize it. And most won't. This is a type of change that just isn't likely.

The only way you can enforce it is to kb people, which we aren't going to do. (we've tried similar plans on the forum here and it just makes people angry).
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Stormy on August 18, 2005, 07:04:08 PM
Why not? All that would be done is a new channel would be made for the 'mature' content that is talked about. Why don't we have the community as a whole decide on what should be done. A poll maybe?  
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: BlackBox on August 18, 2005, 07:10:15 PM
But I have a feeling that people won't use the new channel.

You see how well we use the coding and lobby chans already :P

If you want to start a poll, you're welcome to though.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Stormy on August 18, 2005, 07:15:32 PM
Thank you hacker for not killing other people's oppinions, that is good 'adminship' :P.

Ill start a poll on whether it should be done,

If the 'new channel' choice wins, will you guys 'enforce' it? For instance, if someone starts talking about something innapropriate, you'd tell them to move it to the other channel, if they don't, they get kicked or something.
I am interested in working alongside with you guys in making the community/ irc channels a better place for all.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: zigzagjoe on August 18, 2005, 07:18:47 PM
I really doubt that this will come to pass, and even if it does, dont count on strict enofrcement, if any. a admin cannont be on 24/7 to monitor what ppl talk about.  frankly, i think its a rather dumb idea, to be brutally honest.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: BlackBox on August 18, 2005, 07:22:06 PM
I'm not trying to kill ideas, just speaking from experience (we've tried this sorta thing with 'bad language' before. All it does is upset people).

I think a better way to help with the problem is to try to tell people, hey, lets talk about something different. Change the subject to something, like... OP2.

And try to get people to avoid "hot topics" that could spawn a offensive conversation in the first place. I think that's the best way to prevent stuff like that.

As far as enforcing it: No, because that's just gonna make people mad.
Offensive language is one of the inherent qualities of IRC that you can't change. it's a habit on almost every irc net and channel you go to (unless the irc server admins or chanops have rules about it, where they'll ban/gline you for bad language. Primarily younger-oriented channels and nets do this, this is unusual for gaming nets and is an easy way to upset people in gaming nets). the OPU chans are gaming channels, we don't, and can't cater specifically to everyone's interests. Since there are few (if any? I haven't seen anyone like this) small kids on our chan, we can't really do anything much.

The best you can do is try to reduce it. but no one will ever be able to stop it completely.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Stormy on August 18, 2005, 07:24:58 PM
To some people it may seem dumb, but some people believe that this 'mature content' is wrong along with the Swearing and such. It DOES have an affect on you, and this is a way to 'not pay attention' to it so it doesn't give you an influence.

I understand completely what you mean about not monitoring it 24/7, the admins aren't the only ones who can 'enforce it'. Just make it one of the 'rules' and a person can ask the 'offender' to move it to the 'mature channel'

Anyway, the Community will decide.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: BlackBox on August 18, 2005, 07:29:15 PM
Yeah, I think we could ask people to either stop their offensive convo's or to move it to a different channel. That's the most "enforcement" we can really do. We won't kick / ban anyone unless they're obviously doing it to upset others, or it becomes excessive (almost like spam)

I don't find it dumb, I think we should probably try to avoid those types of convos. But at the same time we have to realize that this is one of those things that you can't really enforce.

And no, before anyone here gets the idea of a "kick on cussing" bot, that doesn't work. I've been in chans with it and all it does is make people angry, cussing tends to go up instead of down.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Stormy on August 18, 2005, 07:33:47 PM
The reason I mentioned 'younger kids', is because eventually, the community will grow big enough that it will have younger kids. We do not want to get them into trouble or offend them. But Hacker has a great idea, if you see something innapropriate being talked about, ask the person to move it to PM or change the subject. I do not think it is right to swear, and I know others feel the same way, although I will not name them for their sake.

Also ZZJ, if you say that you don't like the swearing and such, why do you swear yourself? No offence if I misread it.

Also, something to add, is maybe a link to a script that 'blocks' the cuss words for IRC. Add it to the 'download OPU IRC page'.

--edited, pls dont dbl post
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: BlackBox on August 18, 2005, 07:37:17 PM
Yeah, thats the best we can do at the moment. Is ask people to have the conversation somewhere else.

Yeah, I was thinking of a bunch of features for OPU script, cuss filter could be one of them, also featuers that make it easier to put in your Q bot account once you get it. (or automatically say hello to Q for you)

Also features that would force you to enter a nick, not keep OPUIRCUser1 or whatever it is.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: zigzagjoe on August 18, 2005, 10:17:12 PM
there is a bit for Q, its under the nns menu and options. forogt what the name of the option was, maybe it was auth or osmehting. it had 3 options, for nickserv[many other nets], x[undernet] and q[quakenet and other nets using the same sw] as well.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: BlackBox on August 19, 2005, 07:33:33 AM
Yeah, I know that, it's just cumbersome to have to load that menu (which by the way takes WAY too long to load) and for newbs to irc everything should be in one place.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: coolzero on August 19, 2005, 09:00:01 AM
due to me being lazy i didnt read everything said .. so srry if it already has been said but


i am young to but i dont care i dont mind etc etc ... ( mostly its me talking about the """""""mature"""""" stuf) but if you dont want to get introuble just make sure your not cought
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: TH300 on August 19, 2005, 01:40:06 PM
I mostly agree with Stormy.

But instead of making a new channel for mature talk, why don't we just make a new channel thats free of it?

But still, you'd have to keep young children out of the mature channel, whichever it is. Best way would be to build it in the script, but then there'd have to be a way to distinguish between younger and older people, what is not possible...
there will never be a perfect solution.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Mez on August 19, 2005, 05:54:31 PM
From experience of being a young child as we all ahve been at some stage or another. i swore on chat rooms since i was 11. anti offensive language things would make me fell like a kid. and what do kids want when in a irc channel specifically a gaming chan?

Simple answer: to be treated like everyone else, and to be "grown up" and to be allowed to swear and cuss with the rest of them.

my problem was never hiding the language from my parents as i didnt have the problem, due to the location of the computer.

Other ppl know of many ways to hide offensive language from parents, like open a webpage e.g. newgrounds.com

Those who dont wnat to see the language are not forced to stay in game or in the channel.

They can however ask for people to refrain from swearing when it happends which i would oblige to do and would prolly kick any who dont oblige to not swear if asked.


In  other words a moral rule is needed:

If some one asks you to refrain from swearing in the chanor in game etc then please do the moral thing and not swear.

Apart from that if the other party doesn't stop swearing then they can either get kicked (most prolly not the case) or the offended person can log off the chan / game temporerily.

Besides young kids if allowed un supervised on the internet should be prepared for all of this (well not really but u may get the picture) they chose to enter the chat room didnt they, and they can also choose to leave.

back to the original statement : Kids dont want to be treated or thought of as kids. because in a chat room age and even gender doesnt matter , neither does country or time zones for that matter.

if you dont like swearingthen the options are simply:

fit swear filter on internet
fit swear filter on irc/chat progs

dont use irc
dont come to opu web forums


So stormy or others: just ask for us to stop swearing / go to lobby / other channel if we start swearing in future.

 
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Eddy-B on August 19, 2005, 06:07:44 PM
To me, every one else on irc IS a kid.,., lol

anyway; stormy, you want to have mature and kids-stuff seperated, why don't YOU start a kids-only channel, and see how many people will still be chatting in there after about a week. I guarantee you it'll be dead (just like the other channels "they" tried).

I kinda agree with mezza.. and i believe they can hear more "bad language" on tv during prime time, then on #outpost2
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Freeza-CII on August 19, 2005, 07:39:04 PM
Hmmm yes Eddy-B is a old Foggie LOL.   Any ways I my self say alot of s*** that would make people most "uncomfortable".  But Its like the real life away from the computer people can say what they want to say even if you dont like it.  And when there are restrictions and such people usually choose to ignore them.  Plus people most of the times that you hear about the language problem it people who have kids that are watching them on the computer.  And instead of removing the child they would rather try to enforce some rediculous rules for talking.  Kids that yound on IRC mostlikly already know the words and are not shocked by them.  I mean come on there brain isnt going to explode.  And i agree with the people that say use the filters that are built into the program no need to enforce a rule that no one will follow or care about.  
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: thablkpanda on August 21, 2005, 11:24:06 AM
I have to agree. We don't use the Lobby, and Newb channels as it is (most people don't know they exist) and when I first came to OPU, I was one of the many people vying (sp) for a channel for something else.. They don't fly. If you want a channel for something special (birthday parties, discussing the Strategic Helium Reserve*, etc.) then Use the Lobby, or Newb channels, they're unused as it is.

Postscript - MR PANDA'S BAAACCKK!! I've been on vacation etc, recently, and now that school's starting back, I'll be forced to be here!! Lmao

Mr. Panda

* - Perhaps you don't think there is a strategic helium reserve, perhaps you are a fool.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: TH300 on August 21, 2005, 02:37:19 PM
the only channel that is currently really useless is the noob-chan. I wouldn't mind if you just go ahead and drop it.
But you can't just say, there are too many channels. The amount of channels that we need is not defined as the amount an avarage human can handle, but as the amount that the community needs to get everything well sorted and to prevent conflicts.
btw. if you think there are too many channels, just don't join 'em! Its really not that hard to edit them out of the perform script.

I don't really see how a 'mature' channel would get bad language out of the other chans either, besides forcing people. But forcing people is not a favourable way.

If you want a solution, Stormy, the best way would really be to create a new channel that is free of bad language. And you really don't need anyone's consent to do so.

There ARE definitely some people here (not just children) who don't want to see bad language or bad behaviour.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Tellaris on August 21, 2005, 07:42:29 PM
I must say, Hacker, that I've pointed out another game (mmorpg) that is very strict when it comes to mature content and language, and they are still doing quite fine.   In addition, you do tend to attract a better group of people like this, and the only people that get pissed off are the ones that are breaking the rules.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Hooman on August 22, 2005, 11:21:49 AM
I've also seen a certain mmorpg that takes things a bit too far and censors way too much. It's a real pain and leads to people using other ways to chat instead of the in game way. The main problem being, that it censors things that aren't bad, but they pick up as potential swears.

At any rate, the main channel is a gaming channel, and as such, does attract kids. For that reason, I would deem it inappropriate to have certain conversations that do occasionally find their way in there. Not too mention many adults don't like to hear certain things, and there are certain things you shouldn't be making anyone listen to if they don't want to hear it.

Now granted, if they don't want to hear it, they can just quit. But, the channel is dedicated to gaming, not profanity, and if someone wants to be there for the gaming, they shouldn't be the ones forced to leave. So if you have something you want to discuss that's inappropriate, you are encouraged to do it in a different channel. There is nothing stopping you from either creating a new temp channel (just by joining one that doesn't yet exist) or using a less used channel such as lobby for all nonsense. There doesn't need to be an official channel to do this, just go make your own. And if people are unwilling to do this when asked, I see no problem in giving them a hand getting out the door and on their way to a new channel.  ;)
 
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Tellaris on August 22, 2005, 03:20:29 PM
How Darkspace does this:
1. Gentle warning by the moderator of the ROC, and to keep the language clean.
2. Mod Warning: This is the last "Gentle" warning.   It is a sepial command (/modsay) that comes highlighted and made to stand out, that can be broadcasted to all servers, or just that chat channel.   Its basically saying, "Look, behave, or I'll get mod kung fu on your rear".
3. No longer a gentle warning, mod takes this person aside to PM, tells them to behave, as the next step is a kb.   Also includes a 5 min mute.
4. 2nd last step, kb for 5 minuites.   It is ment to give the person a cool down time away from the channel.   Usually this solves the problem (they come back, and are usually fine, or just don't come back until tomorrow)
5. Last resort for mods, involves a day ban.
6. (This is done by admins) If continued, the ban is extended to a week- to 3 months.   This step can also involve a perma ban.   To have it removed, the player must show they have matured, and they must make restituition to all parties (public appology usually works)   Lasts a minimum of 6 months.

This could be used as a guide for doing things our way, just have to change how many steps you want before each action, and what action is to be taken.   By giving mods/admins a guideline to follow, such as this, actions are uniform by the moderators (what differs is what each mod thinks is "Offensive".   Some things need to be laid out in stone, that can not be allowed to continue.   Unfortunately, there is no way around this)
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Tellaris on August 22, 2005, 03:25:05 PM
I've decided to add a link to their rules of conduct.   Thats what ROC stands for!
Its done all lawyer style....
Darkspace Rules Of Conduct (http://www.darkspace.net/?lang=en&sid=&module=document.php&doc_id=2)
If this is considered a double post, sorry.
ps. I'm not trying to advertise the game here, it is a space MMORPG, is also Pay to Play.   I just really like their ROC, it works quite well.   Quite the clean community.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Freeza-CII on August 23, 2005, 01:17:22 AM
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you shouldn't be making anyone listen to if they don't want to hear it

Hmm well that is why there are filters and such.  If you dont like it filter it leave the room or just plain ignore it.  One person should not try to enforce what they deam proper or clean on any one else.   And some of these conversations you might be talking about are happening late at night.  But for the few that happen during the more popular times just ignore them or filter them.  People have the option them self to block it.  But it seems they would rather have every one else have the same properness.  Any chat room wheather it be a game or chat.  First the rules will be enforced some will leave because they lost some of the freedom that they had.  But the rules dont stop them all so more harsh rules are enforced till the people cant really say any thing at all with out being jumped on by some fanatic that thinks there are little children spying on ever computer screen.  then every one just quits and leaves.  I have seen this.  All of this got started because some people just cant handle a few nasty words.  There every where you just have to live with them.  As for It corrupting the minds of little kids if there are any kids that are online they already know far much more then you think.  And if there are kids in the OP2 channels then maybe we need to find out how old they are and talk normally around them and try not to let any thing slip instead of having some gestopo enforce a s*** load of rules that will just drive people off.  The topic has grown since ZZJ used the bot and had it say rapes samantha.  Yes that might be a little uncalled for mostly because she is new  to the rooms and really wouldnt know that it just joking around.  How ever dont just look at that she is a female and saying rape around them is a forbidden taboo.  There are human like every one else give them the same treatment you would any other new person.    yes this might be a little jumbled
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Freeza-CII on August 23, 2005, 01:21:27 AM
People need a filter enforce what you want to see with out dictation of rules to other people and make them feel like there in highschool.  And if you cant handle having the filter on then either ignore it yourself live with it or leave the channel.  Part of the internet is freedom.  People dont want to be controlled even in the slightest in the way they talk.  
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Hooman on August 23, 2005, 08:49:24 AM
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And some of these conversations you might be talking about are happening late at night.

In which time zone?

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But the rules dont stop them all so more harsh rules are enforced till the people cant really say any thing at all with out being jumped on by some fanatic that thinks there are little children spying on ever computer screen.

Doesn't matter if they are kids or not. Many adults don't like to hear certain off topic things.

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The topic has grown since ZZJ used the bot and had it say rapes samantha. Yes that might be a little uncalled for mostly because she is new to the rooms and really wouldnt know that it just joking around. How ever dont just look at that she is a female and saying rape around them is a forbidden taboo. There are human like every one else give them the same treatment you would any other new person.

I don't think you should "rape" any person.

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And if there are kids in the OP2 channels then maybe we need to find out how old they are and talk normally around them and try not to let any thing slip instead of having some gestopo enforce a s*** load of rules that will just drive people off.

Yes, exactly. Show some common curtesy and there won't be a need to implement or enforce any rules. If someone asks you not to carry on a distasteful conversation in their presence, you should either stop or take it somewhere else. And since this thread exists, someone is obviously asking.

And as for kicking/banning people who create problems in this area, what do you think the admin/moderator controls are for? IRC is a means of chat, would it not be logical to assume those controls are for controlling chat? You don't really get to control much else. If anything, I'd say they're probably underused. Far too often people get more chances than they deserve when they are misbehaving. How many times should we have to ask them to behave before they are required to do so? Granted, people might get a little over excited and step over that line from time to time, but if they don't show a bit more curtesy when asked, I see no problem with pulling out the admin stick.  <_<

With that said, there won't always be an admin around if you are having problems with someone. If they don't stop when asked, you do have options. There is of course those filters people keep talking about. Perhaps they'd like to talk about how to download and set one up?  <_< There is also the ignore feature in mIRC. An easy right click on their name. I'm sure other clients have similar options. And of course you can always leave the room, but I don't see why this should ever be required.


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Part of the internet is freedom.

How long before your freedom impinges on my freedom? So many of you have been brough up with this glorified notion of "free speech", yet you've probably forgotten what that was originally about. Claiming you can say whatever you want and I should just have to deal with it is akin to saying I can pollute the air as much as I want and you're free to wear an oxygen mask to deal with it.

I say screw that over glorified notion of "freedom". That kind of freedom comes at the cost of others. What ever happened to plain old "good goverment"? I'd say the admins of this site have a responsibilty to keep this site a fun place that's free of excessive garbage and to set a good example. And I'm sure this is one of the areas we've been kinda weak at. I think the general attitude people display to one another is far more likely to be a problem then some potential lack of freedom. I don't find this a fun place to be when I have to listen to cussing ever other word. Nor when all there is to read is people talking smack about who they can beat. I don't particularly like hearing about who "raped" who or endless arguments about who the bigger n00b is. And I especially don't like being "stabbed in the face" just to see if I'm around.

Now, I don't think a new official room is any kind of solution. And I don't want to go drawing up a list of rules either. But perhaps just being aware of what bothers people and being more willing to ask people to stop would be enough. It certainly should be.


So,...
Remember kids, "what would Curtis E. Bear do?"  :heh:

 
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Freeza-CII on August 23, 2005, 03:27:00 PM
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How long before your freedom impinges on my freedom

Well that is the thing about freedom if you dont like the freedom some one else wants to exploit then you have the freedom the ignore them get used to it filter them or ask them nicely to not do that but most of the time its a direct command people try.  

Also no one asks any one to not talk that way they just go EWW or ...... or even -.-.  Stormy| is the only one that has to my knowledge.  

Im going to say this Filters that would be the best for one and all no restrictions on chat people can enforce what they dont want to see with out upseting other people and having a lobby and forum brawls.  If the filter takes time to make all the people the would use it just be pateint I sure it will be worth the wait.   I dont know how to make a filter so dont ask me.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: selfdestruct on August 24, 2005, 10:21:27 AM
oh yes well back about a 1year ago when i played final fantasy 11 online they where so (french word inserted here) strick about it and i mean you turn around and you where almost littlery trown out of the game. And you paid for that online subscription and plus they can take your acount away too not too mention how long it takes to get up to certian levels and if you lets say have a problem and have to erase your hard drive you lose everything which if your paying them like 15 dollers a month do you think they should keep all your information on their storage (wait and the best part is if you dont play or pay their subsciption for a period of three months they close and delete your account). Thats why i joined guild wars free oline subscription and no monitering you have that option in a filter and plus they store your information so your safe, ...

(extra parts deleted)

Edit: please stay on topic, and don't advertise about a game.

Thanks, op2hacker
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: BlackBox on August 24, 2005, 10:34:02 AM
OK, these are my thoughts about the whole issue now:

1. Next version of OPU IRC script will have some sort of offensive language filter that is strictly optional. That way we don't have to enforce "no cussing rules" for everyone, because anyone who would be offended by the cussing, etc can just enable their filter. Nor would anyone be forced to use their filter, if they don't want things filtered, they don't have to turn it on.

However excessive cussing (every other word) won't be tolerated. Attempts to type it with extra characters like spaces or periods, in a way so it doesn't get masked by the filter, won't be tolerated either.

2. We do want everyone to limit the sexually-explicit and violent conversations, since that's stuff that no cusswords filter can really block. If you want to carry on a conversation like that, as we mentioned before, you can do it in a PM or other channel.

And if people are unwilling to do it in a PM or other channel after being asked by an op, they can expect to get kicked.

If you have any suggestions on how we can improve this, let me know. I want to let people have the freedom to say what they want as they have had up to this point, but still allow people who don't want to see it have an option to hide it.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: selfdestruct on August 24, 2005, 10:38:02 AM
im sorry its just when it came to that subject i tend to have gone off on that topic due to the experiances ive had from that speech freedom and its just wrong, oh i was not promoting advertisment i was just explaining how the game is diffrent from the other types out there but got carried away. that went way off topic.  
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: lordly_dragon on August 24, 2005, 09:55:02 PM
well from experience if you really care about what people say about you on the internet while 1 you will never see them 2 they live on the other side of the planet then i dont think the problem is just that its far deeper than  that either that or your really strange
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Stormy on August 24, 2005, 11:20:55 PM
The reason i mentioned swearing is because it makes people mad... expecially if you are in an agruement, and it prolongs the problem. In MY oppion, this is about the INNAPROPRIATe things that were talked about... Words are one things.. but explicit 'definitions' etc is very innapropriate. If you are going to do this kind of stuff, do it in a PM.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: lordly_dragon on August 30, 2005, 03:08:47 PM
i would answer with that: internet is a place where all opinion can be said legal or not with reason or not. This is the best thing and on of the worst thing of the web... and i think no1 is dumb enough to try manage something up... the only one that try is w3c but no one listen to them and browser dont give a s***... so in 1 line: you cannot manage the content said on internet
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Leviathan on September 05, 2005, 04:08:12 PM
i aint read all the posts but i think the main channel should be a bit moderated and if ppl r talking about non-appropriate stuff they can be asked to move it to the lobby.

i dont c reason the modration else where currently
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: RockNavator on November 01, 2005, 03:26:25 PM
I got bored with reading the debate btu i got about half way through it. So based on what i read my opiniion is that if OPU wants to promote this anti-mature content, the best way to do it would be to create a new channel which is the default. This new default channel would kept "clean". If it were determined that the new recruit was a child, he[she] wouldn't need to find out about the "heathen" channel.

As an aside, I personally don't think that this should be done. We here, for the most part, are mature people. If something is being talked about in the channel that you would rather not read, if you simply ask them to change the topic or go elsewhere with it, they generally will respect your request.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Hooman on November 01, 2005, 08:32:08 PM
Umm.... #outpost2 and #outpost2.lobby.

The main channel is #outpost2, and it's moderated and kept clean. If you want to post spam and garbage, that's what #outpost2.lobby is for. It's been this way for ages. People just don't seem to want to take all their garbage over there and need frequent reminders.

As for people who squeeze through the cracks and don't get noticed by moderators? Well, it happens. That and even if someone is kicked over saying something bad, it's too late to erase what they've said.  
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Tellaris on November 02, 2005, 02:07:03 PM
Firstly, about that free speech crap, let me refer you to a certain comic...
Comic (http://www.elfonlyinn.net/d/20020729.html)
Basically, you don't like the rules, shove off.   The owners of the network (or in this case, the channel) can do whatever the hell they please to people they deem acting inappropriate.
Language Filters just don't usually cut it.   They help, but often people WILL find ways around them, and often DO.   If you really want to prevent that, then you have to have it for EVERYONE, and you have to punish people doing this severely.
If it isn't enforced for everyone, how can you tell the difference between a few bad hits of the keys vs a purposeful skipping of the filter?   (This CAN be done, quite easily too)
And it dosn't have to be "Gastopo style" as you put it.   I personally find the 3 strikes system quite effective and rooting out the idiots.
And as I said before, don't like it, shove off.
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: HaXtOr on November 03, 2005, 02:31:52 PM
why not just have the anti swear thingy on by default with the mirc downlod?
Title: An Idea Keeping Kids Out Of Trouble In Irc
Post by: Tellaris on November 03, 2005, 03:09:06 PM
Probobly what they'd do anyway, and it'd be up to the player to disable.   (Thats how it seems to be most of the time with those things, if thats even changeable.)