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Outpost Series Games => Outpost 2 Multiplayer => Topic started by: Leviathan on April 22, 2005, 09:14:22 PM
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www.hamachi.cc (http://www.hamachi.cc/)
I herd about this a while ago, and we tested it on irc, played games over it etc.
But does this mean, the end of the GAYNESS THAT IS THE OUTPOST2 NETWORK SETUP?
No more port fowarding?
Anyone can play behind rotuer/firewalls and what evea connection?
Its a virtual network program!! So you can play over the network!
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Yup, pretty much.
I'm thinking this would work for you "cable" types.
But remember the 56k people...we shall be destroyed by Hamachi!
Destroyed I tell you!
*walks off cackling insanely*
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If this can keep me from using my neighbors phone line while there away then. All Praise Ham.
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I say we don't use it for the sake of a few people who are having problems with their computers atm. At least not right away.
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well if they have a problem with there computers why not just fix them
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So with this I'll be able to play OP2 ?
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You can play with anyone who uses this prog.
But I'd rather prefer another solution.
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I beleive you need no port fowarding or anything, you just install this, connect to our private virtual network, OP2 then uses your Hamachi network IP, you host a game, tell people on IRC your Hamachi network IP and they go2 tcp ip and enter it, simple!
This is OP2 SOCK!!
TH300 we would not spend fookin ages working on op2sock if we can just use this, so shut it!
Setup guide @ outpostuniverse.net/hamachi.php (http://www.outpostuniverse.net/hamachi.php)
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This is OP2 SOCK!!
TH300 we would not spend fookin ages working on op2sock if we can just use this, so shut it!
Setup guide @ outpostuniverse.net/hamachi.php (http://www.outpostuniverse.net/hamachi.php)
Don't tell me to shut anything, please. I am intelligent enough to find out whats adequate and what isn't by myself.
I just said, that I personally would not use this. (one and probably the best reason is that I don't want to upgrade my win98 installation)
btw. I would not claim this to be op2sock, since it isn't, just a prog that does the same.
I'd appreciate if work on op2sock was continued, because I'm not quite sure how long my connection will be routerless.
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You dont need to use it, because you can play over your connection allready, and if you get a router you can set it up to play op2 by fowarding ports like everyone else with routers does.
If you needed to use this, you would. But yea, its anoying it only runs on Win 2k & XP.
I dont think any more work on op2sock will be happening.
This works great.
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Lev, TH300 has a point, you ABSOLUTELY Need to think of people with lower OSs. Don't be a Pain in the rear about not thinking of people who don't have good computers like my friend is. He builds Websites in absolute sizes, and not the lower resolutions. You need to look into a different option for those of us with older OSs.
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There will allways be people who cant play for whatevea reason. But I dont any more work on op2sock will be happening because we have this, its not perfect but it does what op2sock would of down, allowing people unable to config a router or what evea to play, and also making it easyer for noobs, because no router port setup.
Thos people not on 2k or XP will have to play over the internet.
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Yeah, Lev you really need to cool it there. First of all, you shouldn't be telling people to shut it, or calling people retards. I can really understand people not wanting to use this. And secondly, you shouldn't go calling this OP2Sock. That really doesn't seem to give credit where credit is due. This is software designed by an independent company that has nothing to do with Outpost2 and was designed to solve a much wider range of problems than playing Outpost2 from behind a router.
It does sound like this would work, and probably not interfere with the usual setup if you'd like to use port forwarding/NATfix instead. Although, I suspect that if one person needs to use this, then everyone in the game would need to also use it. To be fair, I've previously stated that what OP2Sock was supposed to do was already done by VPN software, I just didn't know of any software that would really work.
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Yes, but still, you need to come up with a different method so that everyone can play together and not segregated like that.
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It does what OP2Sock would of done, thats why I said it.
plymoth45 anyone who can use this, can play together, or everyone who can play on the internet can play together.
Also Hooman, ive used windows VPN before, it worked, I didnt know of others, hence my total supprise and amazment.
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Yeah, trying to force this on people could really split things and lead to less games being played. Certainly it's worth mentioning for the people who need something like this, but it's certainly not a cure all solution. Many people play OP2 on systems that can't even use this software.
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The people with out win 2k or XP cant use it, correct, they have to play over the internet, and if they cant do that, unlucky them, looks like single player for them?
lol, it wont be forced to be used, it will only be used when needed, when one or more people who wants to join in a game with others cant play over the internet.
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this is defintly NOT the solution for port forwarding. People not on a NT-based comp can't use it, modem users can't either.
If this becomes the standard for op2 multi gaming, many (56k and Dos-based win) players will probly leave.
I certainly will not be using it anytime soon.
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Joe you will be using it if your playing in a game with someone who cant play on the internet, they couldnt play before, and now they can :D
What makes you think modem users cant use it ???
It is the solution for thos who cant play on the internet (via port fowrding etc), becuse with this, they can.
People not on a NT-based comp cant use it, so they have to play over the internet.
Personaly I think for 2k and XP users it should become standard, because noobs who join can just install this and there ready to play with us, no rotuer setup, and not every one can play over the internet, even with rotuer setup etc. The amount of times we have gone thru the router setup on IRC is stupid, we have gone thru it with people so many times. The most anoying part is if they try, and still cant play. This is very simple to setup, making our lives easyer.
Games can be played on the net and over virtual network. I think only when games have to be played using Hamachi, they should, other wise no need. So if game has someone who can only use Hamachi then people should have it installed ready to use to game.
Im so pleased we have it :)
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And if they cant do that, unlucky them, looks like single player for them?
Lev, this is the type of attitude that KILLS communitys like this.
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plymoth45 op2sock aint coming any time soon. So its this for the time being.
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i agree whole heartedly with plym. we need to think of users of dos-based windows. I personally won't use it because i need port forwarding anyways and op2 is covered by it.
Lev: that kind of attitude would cause many people to leave.
Also: this is not op2sock, just something that emulates what it would do.
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OK OK lets just stop. Hamachi is a Great Program But you dont have to use it if you dont want to. Its allows the people who cant play PLAY. For the people who have dos systems im sorry. Maybe you should update to 2000 or XP. Or you can Download Virtual PC and run a 2000 or XP from there and not sacerfice you dos system. I dont know what the problem joe has with the modem users othere then they lag like usual but dont hold that againist us 8^P.
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Joe before this, people who coulnt play on the net could only play single player. Now all tho's people (if runing 2k or xp) can now play! We have just expaned our user base :D
Joe you dont need to do more port fowarding setup for Hamachi or remove your current, just insall it and ur set. Also you need to install it to play with thos people who couldnt play before, you cant leave them out of a game cuz ur to lazy to install it. Leaving people out of games might cause them to leave.
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why would i have to install it? from how i undersand it it just acts as a port forwarding deal w/ out you having to config it.
yes if ur running a nt-based window every things fine and dandy, but dos-based windows users are screwed.
what i mean is i already have all ports possible forwarded to my comp, so i have no reason to install it.
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Joe you would install it so can play a person that cant do the port forward thing or play like the rest of the people that can forward port.
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You cant of read my post...
To play with people who can only play over Hamachi you need Hamachi installed to play with them.
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Umm.... Yeah.. this proggy shouldn't be set as a standard. It should be used when some people who want to play can't because even behind a router it dosen't work.. Or people who don't have access to their routers (parents..etc...). We can continue doing tcp/ip games... The occasional game will be played with hamachi in the rare circumstance that someone is not able to configure their router...
Also...this is going to be a pay per month service:
http://forums.hamachi.cc/viewtopic.php?t=600 (http://forums.hamachi.cc/viewtopic.php?t=600)
last couple of posts.
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Yeah It will just be used when it has it be.
Im pritty sure it will allways stay free, howevea there will be a payed for version also:
forums.hamachi.cc/viewtopic.php?t=605 (http://forums.hamachi.cc/viewtopic.php?t=605)
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I'm fine with it as long as it isn't the standard, and that you guys are working on some way to make it so the FAT32 people can play.
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No were not, we stoped work on OP2Sock allmost a year ago. Maybe done day it will get done.
The standard is playing over the internet, Hamachi is used when it has to be, to play with people who can only use it, like Highlander :)
outpostuniverse.net/multi.php (http://www.outpostuniverse.net/multi.php)
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Hamachi Network's have a user limit, but Outpost 2 can only have 6 players max in a game anyway. So no problems.
Main Network
Name: outpostuniverse.net
Pass: opu
2nd
Name: outpostuniverse.net_1
Pass: opu
3rd
Name: outpostuniverse.net_2
Pass: opu
If you cant connect to one because of user limit or some connection error, try one of the others, get the person who are going to be playing with connected to the same one, and get playing :)
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Yeah It will just be used when it has it be.
Im pritty sure it will allways stay free, howevea there will be a payed for version also:
forums.hamachi.cc/viewtopic.php?t=605 (http://forums.hamachi.cc/viewtopic.php?t=605)
Learn to read ;)
The 1.1 or 2.0 or whatever is coming on will be a payed version. Now, all networks will be stacked in one place and you have to PAY to have that network.
Anyway it's suckyware, and only will work for the 75% of the people here.
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It works tho so it does not suck, if it allows just one more player to play Outpost 2 with us, it rocks!
But ya, it has its flaws like any app.
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At some point I'm gonna take apart the program and make it be able to bootstrap to our server using the Hamachi protocol, that way we won't have a user limit or anything.
(Their protocol is documented on their site)
Either that or someday I'll write some other NAT traversal program for OP2. This won't happen anytime soon however, it's not priority right now.
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Hmm the users on hamachi are just filling the servers then just going off line. This does not remove them from the list. Just need some one to remove those that do not come on IRC and those that leave the names in the list when there done. It is most annoying having to split up over servers. I know this has been talked about before but nothing is happening to solve this problem.
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All we can do is tell people to leave the network before they disconnect, this will take them off the user list. Just going offline dosent.
Oh, and i can evict people to make space.
The reason we got the other networks is so that if your unable to get on the main network you can use another and still play.
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Hey ZigZagJoe You dont blaitenly tell some one they cant play because you dont want to use hamachi. If someone cant play with you because they only use ham tell them sorry i dont/cant use hamachi And I think you people need to stop Bashing Hamachi in the main channel. You b**** when some one talks about rift. Your going to make people that use hamachi leave by doing such things. Im not saying that you should use hamachi I know you dont because it screws up you net connection.
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It doesn't do anything unless the program is actually running. If you exit the program, it disables the Hamachi adapter.
You can get around this by telling programs to bind to your real IP address (Internet, non-hamachi address), depending on the program. I know mirc can do this.
But yeah, please don't bash Hamachi. At least people who couldn't play before, can now.
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Assuming, that most newbs have routers, can I assume that no attempt will be made to let these people play over internet without hamachi?
That'd mean, there's a rapidly increasing number of people who won't ever play op2 with me.
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Yes Th300, I've noticed it too. It is one thing to not be able to configure your router and you have to use, and another thing if you can configure your router but you're just going to use hamchi.
IMO if you can set up your router, you should, in addition to using hamchi. We should have as many paths to play multiplayer open as we possibly can.
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Playing by internet is best method, if it cant be done, you can use hamachi.
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eventually, I want to write something that will work the same as hamachi but won't have it's problems/limitations (and be faster).
For example, not needing to use a driver (so it'd work on any OS). Also that way it only ties up OP2, not a majority of your internet apps (screwing up IPs and what interface many of the apps bind to).
However, this will not get worked on until after the reunion at the earliest.
At least it works now, for quite a few people. There are quite a few people I have seen who have needed it.
Of course though, like zigzagjoe said, if you're able to configure your router so you don't need hamachi, do it.
http://outpostuniverse.net/multi.php (http://outpostuniverse.net/multi.php)
Also, to all the people who idle on hamachi: Please don't! If you aren't actually playing a game on hamachi then get off of the network. (Before you press that "power" switch or close button, leave the network). There is NO NEED to be on hamachi unless you're actually playing OP2. As soon as you stop playing OP2, leave the network and logoff hamachi.
Thx.
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leave the network when ur not on it, this means ur name will be takin off the list, so other people can get on. there is a user limit, and when ur offline, if u havent left the network, ur still a user. so plz leave the network so ur name gets removed.
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why dont we just all use hamacie ? can somebody tell me if there is a down side?
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Because games are more lagy over it, because the data is encrypted. Meaning larger data packets, and the data has to be encrypted when sent and decrypted when recived.
Yes its very easy to setup and your playing in seconds apose to if u have a router and have never configered it before.
If you can play over the internet, do so whenevea you can, if not, hamachi is ur savior.
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Also, it only works on win2000 and XP. And a 12 user limit per Hamachi "network."
And... for some people, it messes up their programs (since two 'adapters' are present, programs just bind to the first one they see, which is generally the hamachi adapter).