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Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Ezekel on March 24, 2005, 05:03:00 AM

i can't believe this!

xfir was good to us all.
he hosted the forum out of the kindness of his heart.
and you guys chose to go to it, thats right you chose to. no one forced you to.
so it seems that if people don't like the decision of the admin then they just cause havoc. way to go keeping a community spirit alive guys.

you should be ashamed op2 hacker. i respected you.
*shakes head*
i can't believe that this has happened again... after the kiler incident i woulda thought ppl had learned, guess i was wrong.

just wanna say how dissappointed i am about this.

i think lev and hacker, both of you owe xfir an apology.
not to mention a big thank you for xfir hosting the forum and putting so much into the community (yes even the regular forumites should do this, because you all used xfir's forum).

PS i hate the colour and style of this forum... i mean red on black! come on! are you trying to give ppl a headache?


i guess my opinion prob don't matter though cos i don't use the forums as much as i used to though. blegh :-/

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Ezekel on March 24, 2005, 07:15:40 AM

well finally...
jeez...
(this is only like the 5th attempt of posting a rant)

well so you all know it, i'm miffed!

hacker and lev should be ashamed of themselves.

i mean how could you do this to Xfir after he selflessly provided a server for us and hosted a forum.

i can't believe you guys! ... seriously, what is wrong with you.

i really think you owe xfir an apology, and that everyone owes him at least a thank you for all he's done for the community.

i'm really ashamed of hacker and lev... i thought better of them you know. you two have damaged the community by doing this, and for what? so you could change the color scheme without asking anyone else what they think?

xfir has full right to remove your sites from his server after what you have done.
he has to pay to run a server you know, and he never asked you for anything. you should show the guy a lil respect.

yeh i may be an older op2-er and my opinions probably mean squat to you, but i have to say them anyway.

i also wanna point out that through all of this, xfir hasn't gotten mad at you once. that shows just how good a person he is.

PS: the colour scheme you've given this forum really sucks! i mean red and black! are you trying to give ppl headaches? a forum should have a relaxing colour scheme.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: zigzagjoe on March 24, 2005, 07:19:54 AM

uhh...For the last 6 months, Punboy has been providing hosting for xfir and our sites.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Ezekel on March 24, 2005, 07:24:03 AM

but before then it wasn't

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Ezekel on March 24, 2005, 07:33:08 AM

... i see ppl don't get it.
they are concentrating on small things like whether he paid or not

fact is he still put time into the community.
and you lot nonetheless don't seem grateful at all

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Leviathan on March 24, 2005, 07:34:51 AM

deafult skin changed, you what evea skin u like, click 'My Controls'. dont like this skin, dont use it.
thx 4 the input and we do apreshiate your opinions, they dont mean 'squat'. You a community member like any other, your views should be heard, thx for posting.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: RedXIII on March 24, 2005, 07:40:43 AM

I am not going to waste my time with a community which devolves itself to banning eachother for petty reasons.

I have no reason to return to this place anymore.

Consider me no longer a part of the Outpost Community. Please remove me off any mailing lists. I have moved on.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Leviathan on March 24, 2005, 07:46:26 AM

Sorry we have lost you RedXIII.
xfir is not baned.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: spirit1flyer on March 24, 2005, 08:10:44 AM

Ezekel  their is a lot of people including me that think the same things about this problem you are not alone

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: coolzero on March 24, 2005, 08:29:23 AM

has anyone talked to xfir cous if its posible ask him 2 come back i got nothing against that guy so i dont understand why some ppl do
 

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: spirit1flyer on March 24, 2005, 08:39:24 AM

a lot of people have been giving their support at his forum http://forum.xfir.net/index.php?showforum=1 (http://forum.xfir.net/index.php?showforum=1)

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: TH300 on March 24, 2005, 08:54:48 AM

people leaving because of the forum move is just ridiculous.

Why don't you say, that you are no longer interested in Outpost? It can only be that, because everyone who is still interested in it, wouldn't leave the only Outpost community that currently exists. (@RedXIII)

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Leviathan on March 24, 2005, 08:57:53 AM

Were here because we love Outpost games, well most of us I hope.

I agree, quite ridiculous.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: CK9 on March 24, 2005, 08:20:47 PM

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people leaving because of the forum move is just ridiculous.

Why don't you say, that you are no longer interested in Outpost? It can only be that, because everyone who is still interested in it, wouldn't leave the only Outpost community that currently exists. (@RedXIII)

actually, what he said is he is leaving because he believe that people are being 45535 to one another

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Drakmar on March 24, 2005, 08:30:25 PM

People are leaving becuase they don't agrre with theives and backstabbers! I'm not sure if I ever want to return here again! You people are ignorant and untrustworthy! You can't even admit what you did was WRONG!!! You just say: "We did it for the community" when you really mean that you did it for yourself! I can no longer go to a community where everything is decided by screwing people over. If there is ANYONE who agrees with me, go to the Outpost Congregation. It has always been a place for decent people to talk about the game without stupid power struggles.  

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Leviathan on March 24, 2005, 08:51:29 PM

You can talk about the game here. Leaveing the community is not the answer. I dont see any reason why you should leave, apect that you dont like us, and that dosnet matter, were not gonna ban anyone for what they have to say. We want input on the community so we can improve it.

It wasnt nice what we did to xfir. We didn't do it with hate tho. When we say we did it for the community, we mean that. You find that hard to beleive, so only over time can we prove ourselves. Your doing the wrong thing by leaveing, everyone is welcome here.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Drakmar on March 24, 2005, 09:00:00 PM

The wrong thing by leaving? Why don't we go to OPC, that way we can still be in the community and not be under YOUR jurisdiction.

And your "gonna ban anyone for what they have to say." That's the right thing to do there!!! Definately not what a dictator would do!!

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Drakmar on March 24, 2005, 09:05:10 PM

The OPC site is http://.2.com/index.cgi (http://.2.com/index.cgi)

Your not trying to suppress me because I want to give it out are you Lev???

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: PlayingOutpost0-24 on March 24, 2005, 09:36:55 PM

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has anyone talked to xfir cous if its posible ask him 2 come back i got nothing against that guy so i dont understand why some ppl do

I already talked to him. He told us to give him time.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Drakmar on March 24, 2005, 09:41:54 PM

Yep. The community has become unstable. It's only a matter of time before a permanent split occurs. Like when Plymouth split from Eden. I must say, you guys are awesome! Because of your power hungryness, you may have destroyed to OPU we've known for about two years! Is that why you removed the OPC site from one of my posts Lev?

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Leviathan on March 24, 2005, 09:55:14 PM

Id rather not have people knowing the link. Why have you created this split from us? Why cant you just stay here and stay with the community?

You dont support the Outpost 2 cause at all. We want to improve the game and commnity.

I cant make you stay. But why leave when we have something so great? You clearly liked these forums before, so help us to keep them great?

Oh and bye. Sorry that your leaving. We hope you enjoy the Outpost content we will keep producing for the community.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: PlayingOutpost0-24 on March 24, 2005, 09:56:42 PM

I think the answer's obvious.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: CK9 on March 24, 2005, 10:14:04 PM

the only real improvements to the game where the server (which has long since been dead), the maper editer, and a few new maps.  Once those were done, the game was being changed a little too much.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Drakmar on March 24, 2005, 10:29:34 PM

I didn't say I was leaving. I just said I'm not sure I want to stay here with untrustworthy people. Now, if you give control back to Xfir, then maybe we can all learn to trust you again. But I doubt you're going to do that.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Leviathan on March 24, 2005, 10:32:30 PM

(04:17:00) (@OPU|Leviathan^) we have not baned xfir
(04:17:42) (+PlayingOP) But he isn't going back there either...
(04:17:54) (@OPU|Leviathan^) didnt think so.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: PlayingOutpost0-24 on March 24, 2005, 10:36:01 PM

Anyway levi, take that pointless, did I see xfir's name as newest registered?

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Drakmar on March 24, 2005, 10:37:33 PM

Yeh, I think that you can make everything right again, if you transfer all control back to him! Then we won't be pissed for too much longer.  

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Leviathan on March 24, 2005, 10:43:54 PM

And why would I want to do that? Oh yes, to regain your trust. Well im not bothered if you trust or not.
I just want the community to stay together.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Drakmar on March 24, 2005, 10:45:53 PM

Under your control you mean.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: TH300 on March 25, 2005, 01:26:05 AM

did anyone ever ask, why xfir didn't just put the forum at op.xfir.net back online and let people decide whether they stay there or come here?

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: plymoth45 on March 25, 2005, 01:32:04 AM

To be honost i have tried to go there subconciously several times, and i find it anoyying that the forums aren't there anymore.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: PlayingOutpost0-24 on March 25, 2005, 03:11:29 AM

Levi now we had a convo why do you play with xfir's account? I mean he told me he didn't register.
Ack... I am not enough sure that it means what I think it means so I won't say it.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Hooman on March 25, 2005, 03:30:04 AM

Yes, I have asked xfir that. Also, you'll find posted on xfirs forums that he may want to take a break for a while. Not surprising considering. You can read the thread at: http://forum.xfir.net/index.php?showtopic=35&st=0 (http://forum.xfir.net/index.php?showtopic=35&st=0)

Keep in mind that running the forums is probably fairly time consuming and xfir likely has other things going on in his life. But no I don't expect him to disappear completely. And if you're one of the ones suggesting to the community that you want xfir back, you might also need to drop xfir a line too.


Btw, xfir didn't create that new "xfir" account on here. So beware if any funny posts appear.

 

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Tellaris on March 25, 2005, 03:33:06 AM

Lev, its not that people want to destroy the community.   Its just that almost NO ONE trusts you anymore.

Now, who the hell deleted the New Terra skin?   I like that skin!!!

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: TH300 on March 25, 2005, 03:55:30 AM

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Yes, I have asked xfir that. Also, you'll find posted on xfirs forums that he may want to take a break for a while. Not surprising considering. You can read the thread at: http://forum.xfir.net/index.php?showtopic=35&st=0 (http://forum.xfir.net/index.php?showtopic=35&st=0)

Keep in mind that running the forums is probably fairly time consuming and xfir likely has other things going on in his life. But no I don't expect him to disappear completely. And if you're one of the ones suggesting to the community that you want xfir back, you might also need to drop xfir a line too.

Doesn't really answer my question there.

The situation was different. As forum.outpostuniverse.net existed for no longer than few minutes xfir could have reopened op.xfir.net and probably noone would ever have bothered to come here. The whole excitement could have been prevented.

He wants a break? great, he can have it. But then don't complain, that Leviathan and hacker made this break possible.

As for the "backstabbing" accusement, its pointless, because hacker and Leviathan did nothing that prevented xfir from reopening op.xfir.net


New-terra skin currently not working because of forum update. and yea, I want it back, too.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Hooman on March 25, 2005, 04:01:22 AM

The situation isn't quite as simple as you'd like to make it out to be.
 

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: TH300 on March 25, 2005, 04:21:57 AM

I wouldn't mind if u tell me how it really is.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Hooman on March 25, 2005, 04:41:33 AM

Why not ask the people directly involved? I can't imagine I'd have any hope of getting all the facts right.
 

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: PlayingOutpost0-24 on March 25, 2005, 06:28:07 AM

TH300. Even I see that the situation is not as simple as "Hacky hacky takedown forums.op-u.net and now reopen these forums"...

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Cctoide on March 25, 2005, 06:35:11 AM

Drakmar, why do you keep calling everyone "power-hungry idiots"? Were you part of the mod team? I can't vouch for either side, so I'm not going to say this really happened, mainly because I think what we did was wrong and it was done the wrong way, but:

- Hacker-Levi claimed that xfir was always putting new boards down
- This means that you can't blabber on about the "trust", since a) if xfir trusted enough in them he would let them atleast move boards and whatnot and B) at the moment xfir is really pissed, and I understand why, and no, he's not coming back because no, he isn't going to forgive anyone... read his "last thoughts" document up for download on his site.

Oh, and peace. I don't mean to hurt anyone, nor either side. So please don't twist this.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: BlackBox on March 25, 2005, 08:13:37 AM

New Terra skin is gonna get reinstalled probably within the next 30 min :)

I find it sad that the majority of the people are misinformed about this whole situation. And then they go on to mislead others.

IF we were trying to take control and force everyone to do what we want we wouldn't be polling people etc to ask how the boards should be run now would we?

And I'm sure everyone agrees that community input on how things are run/adminstrated is better than one person having it all and doing everything based on their own interests, rather than how the community wanted things to be.

CK9: There are many more updates than just that. If you went on IRC you'd be aware of what all has happened.

As far as losing trust, I really can't see how we've lost your trust if you think about it logically. We have given you a lot back that xfir took from you just since we moved.
One example: xfir forced everyone to store 100 PM's or less. He thought they took up space and slowed the boards down. That is so untrue.
We've upped the limit to 1000 PM's. We don't care how much info you want to store in PM's, we'll allow it. (And if that limit's not high enough we can raise it even more)

I notice that most of the people who are against the forum move are people who rarely go on IRC. They have absolutely no clue what is going on.
Remember when we added Moogle as an op to help us out in #Outpost2?
About 5 secs after the +o mode change showed up in the channel xfir pm'ed both me and Lev saying "You didn't ask me first. You can't do that".

He thought we were answerable to him for stuff we did on IRC. Which is also wrong. Levi started the IRC chan, xfir didn't. xfir doesnt make the rules on IRC. Therefore we have no need to answer to xfir on things we do in the irc chans.

To be painfully honest, xfir did almost nothing to help out the OPU cause. He may have coded 2 PHP scripts like the gamers list but that was something we could have easily done ourselves and wasn't totally necessary to the community.

For those of you who use the forums primarily for chit chat and don't see why we're doing this, I'm sorry. The interests of the gaming community need to come before the interests of the people who only talk on here and dont really share a connection to OPU, since this is the only remaining body of people who play OP2, and we need to keep it alive.
 

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Leviathan on March 25, 2005, 08:22:26 AM

Howevea adding him as a op, like all things in the community should be a group deciton. But as half the people here are not on IRC regulary we fealt that it was fine to give him op status. I dont think anyone of IRC has minded, if he does step out of line, he wont be a op no more.

And like all things, we wish to review the situation with a fresh mind and find out what is best. So post what you think about how IRC and other things should be run. Thanks.

This forum should allways be a place to talk about more than Outpost i think, there are no restrictions on how big we can make it, thats why we want to add more sections. So we grow and expand, and Id love for your friends to come here OutpostPrime, more people the better. Just because peole are no too intrested in the main subject of our forums dosnt mean we should turn them away. We all have other intrests too.

My main reason to wanting to get away from haveing xfir in control was because we could not expand the forums. Who dosent want to see more members? Noone, eveyone wants our community to grow. So lets help it.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: PlayingOutpost0-24 on March 25, 2005, 08:42:38 AM

Look. You all keep saying that 'xfir sucked' and 'we rule' and 'this is all for teh community' and 'you all are misinformed'... That leads nowhere! It even hall makes more confusion. You are talking against yourselves with those...

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: CK9 on March 25, 2005, 08:54:54 AM

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CK9: There are many more updates than just that. If you went on IRC you'd be aware of what all has happened.

I'm aware of updates, most are to coding, one removing the cheats (now I have nothing to do when I get bored), and a chane to mp game setup menu

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: BlackBox on March 25, 2005, 05:13:23 PM

Well there are other things that go on in the community besides just that, and you have to be on IRC often to get the full picture.
That is something we want to change though so people all over know what's going on.

People who never have used IRC, or rarely use it would be out of the loop about xfir's actions, etc because the majority of it occurred on IRC. (And in fact if you look at the public forums alone he wasn't a bad admin here. It's his behavior in IRC and non public areas of the forums which troubled us).

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Leviathan on March 25, 2005, 05:42:35 PM

After an argument on IRC, xfir took down the forums.

After an argument on IRC, xfir took down the forums, we then moved them.

There has been times when xfir has been insulted on IRC, and threated to take down the forums and my website.  

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: PlayingOutpost0-24 on March 26, 2005, 04:55:46 AM

I hate to say this but hell make up your mind...
You all know these people read the logs too. I know what you will say now... "OMGZ0RZ IT STARTED WEEKS AGO!!!!!!!!111oneone". What if they knew about it? You won't get your community back by posting 30 topics about being a GM or OPU teamer. You won't get your community back by saying it was an argument! You won't get your community back by keeping saying those things you've seen upper. Some are loyal to xfir and don't trust you so hell it won't change. We liked the forums as-is. Wow I can store 10x my original PMs.. Hell I don't get a single PM. Woot, I can be a GM! Let's start abusing! ^_^ What else changes did you ask for? Private toilet? Money? Own domain?

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: CK9 on March 26, 2005, 09:51:24 AM

Hacker, you start off with talking about updates and going into a whole new topic. Nice try, but it doesn't help your point.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Ezekel on April 04, 2005, 07:39:23 AM

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Id rather not have people knowing the link. Why have you created this split from us? Why cant you just stay here and stay with the community?

You dont support the Outpost 2 cause at all. We want to improve the game and commnity.

I cant make you stay. But why leave when we have something so great? You clearly liked these forums before, so help us to keep them great?

Oh and bye. Sorry that your leaving. We hope you enjoy the Outpost content we will keep producing for the community.

a lil advice lev.
talking to ppl in that condenscending way is not a good way to reach them, even with logic.

this is one of the things that gets ppl miffed at you.



as for the OPC.
well, if anyone were to go there and read my latest post in the "news" section then they'll know my views on the situation.

we got a forum here, its well established and is frequented regularly by the fangame programmers, lets not ruin that, huh?

i mean, lev and hacker did something bad yeh, but so did germany between 1939 and 1945, but they've been forgiven. (and as a jew, i think that that means that if i can forgive em, well so can you). basically what i'm trying to say is that time moves on, and if you keep looking back you'll lose yourself in the past. you gotta keep your eyes on the path ahead, and that way you hopefully won't walk into any trees.

now as i started this thread, i'm hoping that this post will lead (eventually) to its end. (i really hate flame threads, ya know?)
lev/hacker don't lock this thread ok? let ppl have their say (just saying that, cos my last sentence kinda implied i wanted it locked, which i don't)

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Ezekel on April 04, 2005, 07:41:52 AM

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And why would I want to do that? Oh yes, to regain your trust. Well im not bothered if you trust or not.
I just want the community to stay together.

oxymoron alert!

(an oxymoron is where something has a contradictory implication, sorta like "beastial beauty")


if you want the community to stay together, then trust is the no.1 factor lev

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Leviathan on April 04, 2005, 07:47:45 AM

As the admin of OPC Ezekel hopefully people will listen to what you have said:

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i urge everyone to go to the hacker/lev forum. no, i've not been corrupted or anything, i just believe that the community cannot function if it breaks like this.
besides, after giving them a bit of time, i can see that they haven't done anything extremely tyranical since the coup. we may not like them, and we don't have to, but for the good of the community (jeez thats so something like lev might say!!!) it'd be best if we stayed at one forum.

seeing as xfir's old forum is the better established one, AND is the one where all the new games being made get progress updates, its only logical to choose that as the one forum.

furthermore, i just aren't reliable to administrate a forum anymore. like zircon i got university eating my time up as well.

when you consider it, what difference does it make in the end of the day who is running the forum as long as they are (mostly) benevolent?

put simply, i may not like lev and hacker for their actions, but i'm prepared to swallow my pride for the sake of the game that brought us all together in the 1st place.

Any chanch you could take down the forums? And redirect people? If there any thing needing saving we can do that first... Its your choice, your forums. But it does make sence just to be in one place.
Thanks Ezekel and peopless.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Ezekel on April 04, 2005, 07:51:40 AM

truth be told i can't be bothered to go to the trouble of taking it down or making a redirect.
i was a lil surprised to find it still existed after, what was it 2 years? of no use.


furthermore, i advise that rather then you quoting my post, you actually link to it.
remember ppl suspect you of forgery (the fake xfir account thing)

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Leviathan on April 04, 2005, 07:55:54 AM

There is no board offline option in admin for it??

Heres the link (http://op1.suddenlaunch2.com/index.cgi?board=news&action=display&num=1112619901)

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Ezekel on April 04, 2005, 07:56:10 AM

lev, i do think you need help with this.

no offense to you, but you seem a lil clueless in being a good leader.

i dunno when it happened, but at some poitn (me included) many op2ers have become cynics. and using the tony-blair esque speech patterns only annoy cynics.

if you like, i can help you out with that though.
at least that way you'll be able to get you meaning across in any of your posts without annoying ppl.
*pokes mIRC to see if it feels cooperative today*
annoying thing keeps asking me to register for like 20-30 seconds everytime i load it up... if only i could remember where i put the install file i used for when i installed mIRC on my other computer, cos that version doesn't do this (and the menus are easier to use).
this version BTW is the one that comes with the OP menu prog.
 

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: <emp>(elementals)Eric on April 04, 2005, 10:12:07 AM

just a heads up, levi knows the reg key for mirc... just so you know... Why do i think i remember you from won... oh well

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: BlackBox on April 04, 2005, 02:12:24 PM

I have PM'ed you the reg key for mIRC.

As far as a redirect, if you want to do one:

Code: [Select]

<meta http-equiv="Refresh" content="0;url=http://forum.outpostuniverse.net/">

The 0 is the number of seconds to wait before loading the page specified by url=.

Just stick it in the "board headers and footers" part and it will run when the page gets loaded, if you wish.

Also, this isn't directed at any one person specifically, but:

I really don't know why people are so upset over this. This is a gaming community and there really shouldn't be politics involved in it.

The reason we did what we did was in the interests of op2 gaming, not anything else, since we're the last surviving op2 gaming community in existence (to the best of our knowledge) and to lose everything that we've gained would be a disaster.

Everything we do should be justifiable by the gaming aspect of things. We have no intention, and dont want to in the least, make things a political battle. We might not be the best leaders either, but we care very much about OP2 and that's the reason we do it, is because we love the game. If we didn't like OP2 as much as we do, we'd have given everything to someone who enjoys OP2.

Bottom line is, I and Lev have spent hundreds of hours trying to make OP2 the best it can be and the last thing we want to see is everything ripped apart by someone who simply didn't care about it.

Now this part is directed at the slight few who are angered at us still:

Life goes on! So does this forum! To get worked up over it is stupid. There are many parallels to life in this statement. Bad things happen, stuff that generally we don't like to see, but you have to forgive and forget. Ezekel, I admire your maturity on this part. You were, at the outset, someone who didn't agree with what we did, but you managed to pick up the pieces and continue on, not getting all worked up over it.

Anyway, I've exhausted my steam over this whole issue. to go on beating a dead horse is simply senseless.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Ezekel on April 05, 2005, 03:09:12 PM

hacker i'd appreciate if you didn't talk down at me like that.
i'm older then you, and i believe i've been with this community longer too.

i'm not a lil kid, and your not a school teacher
[my maturity should go without saying... then again, i'm very immature generally and proud of it]

ok, recess time! *runs outside and chases butterflies* WEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: BlackBox on April 05, 2005, 03:38:28 PM

lol, I'm not trying to talk down to you at all, you have more sense than a lot of ppl who wont 'let these issues go'. you'll actually accept what has gone on and leave it at that instead of beating a dead horse about the issue like some other people do (who remain unnamed).

At least someone understands this whole thing and doesnt moan and complain about it trying to change nothing. you're one of those ppl.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Drakmar on April 05, 2005, 08:38:36 PM

We'll YOU can't say anything Hacker. No one trusts you either. After all, you were the one who stole the database from X. And this isn't a "dead horse", this is an issue mainly about TRUST. You may not understand the word, but we do. I'm not going to argue with you about this anymore.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Leviathan on April 05, 2005, 09:03:05 PM

Good. Argueing gets us no where. Thx
 

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: xamlit on April 05, 2005, 09:09:41 PM

Kool.. I agree with Hacker... Sad to say but OPU was slowly dying under Xfir and it wasn't a pretty site (no pun intended).. Cmon now! We're actually voting for a new GM (Mustang). Hacker did what was sometimes necessary and we should be glad he did it. Seriously, stop coming on whinning about the forum chage... It happened there is nothing you can do about.. Leave.. start your own little forum and be forgotten, or you can be part of the collective and help this community grow by volunteering your skils.  By whinning (i've got a better word) your just confusing new players and dragging on a battle that you will never win. You already stated your opinons, they were respectfully noted. We are allowed to decide what goes  on in the community.. Anything but a forum change is within possiblity.
 

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Drakmar on April 05, 2005, 10:19:37 PM

The "Collective"? You're making us sound like the Borg.

"YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!"

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Ezekel on April 06, 2005, 03:36:05 AM

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lol, I'm not trying to talk down to you at all, you have more sense than a lot of ppl who wont 'let these issues go'. you'll actually accept what has gone on and leave it at that instead of beating a dead horse about the issue like some other people do (who remain unnamed).

At least someone understands this whole thing and doesnt moan and complain about it trying to change nothing. you're one of those ppl.

as an admin, you should know better then to say stuff like that hacker.

don't keep trying to push your point. ppl don't wanna hear you insulting them (whether or not its justified is besides the point). you want ppl to accept you, then don't talk about people lacking sense or anything like that.
a good admin is better then that.

so basically, drop it. and get on with life. all your replies are doing (despite the intent), is to further the pseudo-flame war thats developing here.

i've already spoken to lev about this, and he's learnt from it i think. just need for you to accept it.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Drakmar on April 07, 2005, 08:22:15 PM

I agree, with Ezekel. I have accepted the fact that this is permanent. I also believe that Levi has learned from this mistake. Although, I'm not sure about you, Hacker. I hope that you've learned from this as well. Let's just move on, and try to keep this from happening again, Okay?

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Leviathan on April 07, 2005, 09:45:03 PM

I realy am happy to hear that from you Drakmar.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Drakmar on April 07, 2005, 11:08:34 PM

Good. After all that has happened to the Outpost Community, I feel that we ALL need to help in keeping the peace. Otherwise, this community will fall before it's time. You (Lev) lost some trust from a few of us. It will take time to regain it. But I feel that we are taking the first steps in the right direction. I only hope that what happened to X won't happen to ANYONE else who doesn't deserve it.

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: PlayingOutpost0-24 on April 09, 2005, 10:50:18 AM

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Drakmar, why do you keep calling everyone "power-hungry idiots"? Were you part of the mod team? I can't vouch for either side, so I'm not going to say this really happened, mainly because I think what we did was wrong and it was done the wrong way, but:

- Hacker-Levi claimed that xfir was always putting new boards down
- This means that you can't blabber on about the "trust", since a) if xfir trusted enough in them he would let them atleast move boards and whatnot and B) at the moment xfir is really pissed, and I understand why, and no, he's not coming back because no, he isn't going to forgive anyone... read his "last thoughts" document up for download on his site.

Oh, and peace. I don't mean to hurt anyone, nor either side. So please don't twist this.

You weren't directly involved, were you Cc? :D You talk like someone took your forums some time ago like hacker did to this one.


Levi, after hearing your PM (the one with the topic hi, the last line.), forgive me because I was pissed at you, though my trust didn't really regenerated yet, you are regaining my respect. I just hope because of this we won't lose you too. Well that's all. Hacker... well he not only lost the trust but the respect too...

Take the OPU Test! http://www.brandsberg.com/user/1010708/1/15074435820142.php (http://www.brandsberg.com/user/1010708/1/15074435820142.php)

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Leviathan on April 09, 2005, 11:17:11 AM

Weeeeeee etc

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: BlackBox on April 10, 2005, 07:45:37 PM

Okay, I think now would be a good time to offer some explanation and most importantly, an apology.

First of all, I want everyone to know that I actually didn't want to go to such an extreme as we did to take over the forum.
I agree with you that the way it was done was an underhanded, dirty, nasty way to take over a site or forum in such a way.
We all knew from the beginning that we'd be disliked for it. But we believed that it was the only way we had left in order to keep the community together.

I knew being the one I was to have the technical knowledge (and access too) to copy the forum site and DB that I would lose a lot of trust and respect from people.
I know that in order to regain that trust and respect, I need to try to mend things and listen to the people a bit, instead of trying to block out what I don't like, or worse yet, react negatively to what I don't like.

Do I think we were right in what we did? I honestly can't answer that question truthfully. It really depends on where you stand in relation to everything. Personally I'm too biased to answer it truthfully.
The only people who can answer that question truthfully are the rest of the community, who stand on both sides of the fence.
At this point, there's no going back. We all have to accept what has happened, which I believe everyone is able to.
I think from this experience we have all learned something important. Myself and Levi included.

I want to take back what I said earlier, saying that it was stupid to rant on about this, and other nasty things I've said about people. I'm sorry for those statements, and I believe I acted out of selfish anger when I wrote them.
Like Ezekel said up above, I really shouldn't be one to judge people based on what I think. I act on impulse a lot, and many of those impulses are angry statements directed at other people.
So, for anyone I offended because of my narrow mindedness, I'm sorry. I should be here to make people happy, not act out of anger at them, since the anger of even one person will rip the community apart.

I see it this way now. I say things, I censor things people say, I do all sorts of nasty things which I believe would prevent a rift in the community from forming. However, in the process of doing this, I just make the hole bigger.
The lesson to myself is, sometimes I need to just swallow what people say. Even if it is nasty, I can't let myself overreact to it. I need to let it go sometimes.

Ultimately I want everyone to feel welcome here. Even if they don't agree with me at all, they still need to feel at ease with everything that goes on.
I want to be the type of person who people can come to if they don't like something about what goes on here, and make things better that way.

Well anyway, I'm sorry for all the harm I've caused.
Hopefully we've all learned something from this and we can just go on and make this community even better than it was before.

-- op2hacker

Title: Ezekel's rant
Post by: Leviathan on April 10, 2005, 07:57:41 PM

I also probly act on impulse a lot. Anyway Id like to note hacker posted that after being away for 3 days so im sure he has had time to think. I realy agree we need to let this go, weather you keep likeing me, hacker or anyone else your allways welcome here.

It is time to move on, we dont need anymore usless or damageing bickering. So Ill close this topic.

Thanks.