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Community => Feedback/Suggestions/Problems => Topic started by: CK9 on March 21, 2005, 06:48:49 PM
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By the way, hacker, it wasn't that x did not have the site secure, it's that you "used a ftp port that [xfir] lent to [you]"
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I'm not affraid to state my opinion, i feel that it just isn't right to take control away from him forcibly. It just isn't right...
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so plym, are you saying that you found x was doing a great job, or that it's wrong to take things from people with force? If the second, then you must find what we did to kiler wrong
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so plym, are you saying that you found x was doing a great job, or that it's wrong to take things from people with force? If the second, then you must find what we did to kiler wrong
to voice my response to that
if the story I read about killer is true then what you did then was valid but X never did anything like that I don't think what you guys did to X was right
if you were doing it for the good of the forum and it was done through other ways
I might agree but it seems to have hurt the forum more then it helped
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I myself haven't heard the story of Kiler in full, but what you guys did to x just doesn't sit right with me. Of course he did things to agravate the situation, but we all just let this stupid thing get out of hand.
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good, then you aren't saying what I was hoping you weren't
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im sure hardly n e one will vote it was needed, cuz most ppl will think it wasnt needed.
I might agree but it seems to have hurt the forum more then it helped.
There has been quite a lot of forum activty since sunday. Any forum activty is good. Also many people posted in the forum move thread. And many people have been on since sunday. These people must check the forums semi-regulary, but why the hell dont they help to keep the forum active by posting messages and creating new threads etc. They can be bothered to moan at us but not help to keep the forum active. This is a team effot to keep the forums alive and active.
Its anoyed people but i cant see how its hurt the forum. Maybe im narrow minded? And im sure u have herd me say it - this is gonna help the froums and the community.
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cous there isnt some optoin on the pol ill just say what i think... the website .seems MUCH AND MUCH BETTER. but what you did to x was REALY REALY MEAN. so that brings me in a 50% 50% position. as from what i read and know(not a lot)) i think levi and hacker acted 2 fast. and i read what xfir posted on his own site. this my be wrong but it says that you just suddenly banned him from the chat channel... for what.(maybe you where already fighting i dunno) but still i dunno a lot
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;ev, next time you want to edit a topic or post I make, talk to me first so that I can either explain why it is needed or can make an appropriate change to it
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Its anoyed people but i cant see how its hurt the forum. Maybe im narrow minded? And im sure u have herd me say it - this is gonna help the froums and the community.
Leviathan it has split the people here into two sides we are not united anymore that is what I saw hurting the forum
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;ev, next time you want to edit a topic or post I make, talk to me first so that I can either explain why it is needed or can make an appropriate change to it
Sorry CK9. This is an importiant vote clearly. I may have posted something simlar my self, but kinda expected some1 else to do it, and u did, so thx.
CK9's original last poll option was 'i am afraid to show my view' or somthing like that.
This is what i PMed to CK9:
hey i removed the bottom option on ur poll.
you wanna get answers to the question, that option dosent help the poll.
we want to hear the opion of the community, for everything.
We wont be baning people, deleting accounts, or peoples posts. We want to hear the views of the community.
So far i can say: The community has spoken!
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I think u all are F***IN idiots, ok the forum moved so what? Were still here, so just SHUT THE F**K up and play some GOD DAMN OP2, thats why were here arent we? Yall talk to much, this is not a government democrasy its a free community where ANYTHING can happen no matter what you do. SO just F***ING chill.
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i honestly do not know where you get stealing from. It was as much mine or Levi's as it was xfir's. The post is the responsibility of the poster. It even read that in the TOS.
BTW, just so you all know, I did ask Punboy whether I could rightfully/ properly copy the forums, etc to a new site weeks before we actually did it. He said it was perfectly fine, as it's the responsibility of the webmaster to set permissions properly to prevent users getting access to material they didn't intend to have access to. If he had told me no I wouldn't have done it.
furthermore, we didn't intend to do this as fast as we did it.
We did want to inform people that it was going to happen, etc, so it wouldn't be a total shock. however something was accidentally pasted in irc which tipped xfir off so we had to move immediately or risk losing data.
If we had failed to move given those circumstances, xfir would probably have deleted the forum database anyway, and we'd be left with nothing.
We had no other alternative once xfir figured out what was occurring.
Also: I believe that some people (who remain unnamed) are misinformed on the situation. They believe it was wrong since well 'xfir didnt do anything bad'. First of all:
- Most of them have no clue how he treated the admins. Almost all administrative decisions were made in private areas of the forums, or private irc discussions which the general public don't even know about, they were for discussion among the leaders of the board.
- Many of the misinformed don't use IRC. The events that caused us to want to move occurred in IRC. xfir himself in IRC claimed that "OP2 was dying". IRC is so much a different world than the forums are, for those who don't use it probably only see about 25% or less of all the things that happen in the community.
One thing that should have been visible to all users was the constant pruning of your PM inboxes. This was totally inappropriate in my opinion. Contrary to what anyone tells you, PM's take up a very insignificant amount of space, since they are just text. Text compresses very well in webserver backups, etc so it's not a problem to back up.
Before the move xfir had limited everyone to 100 PMs.
I have increased everyone's limit to 1,000 PM's, because again there is no need for this pruning of PMs, you can store as much as you need in the PM boxes. It doesn't slow down the forum at all.
Another thing he did which is wrong is the deletion of users with invalid e-mail accounts, even some who used the forums and were active.
One such person I can think of is Phantom. His account was deleted manually by xfir (there is no auto delete system) because his email bounced when the forum tried to send to him.
The only reasons I can think of deleting users is if they sign up, never post at all, and are never seen again. Phantom did not fall into this category at all.
And also: Deletion of the IBStore. Even though I didn't personally like the IBstore, I did not want it removed without the consent of the users first. Instead of asking anyone, he simply deleted it one day. This angered many. To make matters worse, he didn't even delete the mod completely, so remnants of the IBstore are still visible (even now. I do want to reinstate the Store though because the community originally wanted it, and would only remove it if the community voted it out.)
Not deleting the mod totally shows extreme laziness (which he admitted) and is not something you want in a leader. A leader must be someone who is devoted.
BTW CK9: xfir did have improper security. almost all of his files were CHMODed 644 or better, allowing anyone with a valid account and some PHP scripting knowledge to retrieve ANY files on the site.
For the people who don't know what CHMOD 644 means, it basically means any valid user on that webserver could read the files sitting in his account, no 'hacking' or 'cracking' necessary.
Any one of us could have done it, the only reason I did it was because I have had experience with these types of things and know how they work.
There was no 'hack' or anything unusual that needed to happen in order to retrieve the files, it was a simple UNIX tar command that I used.
And I think we've said numerous times: We can't please everyone. This is a gaming forum, not a chitchat forum, so we have to do what will be in the best interests for OP2 gaming.
From this point forward I wish to have public votes for major decisions that affect the community, so the people have their interests at hand and not the interests of one leader who doesn't even support the community.
-- op2hacker
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Wow such a big post and u had no comment about my little post.
Whatever i think yall should just drop this, cuz nothing will come of this. Whats done is done, and theres nothing you can do about it, so just move on ok its not that hard, unless you have no life and have nothing better to do.
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I'd like to point out that xfir shut off the forums that day after my pasteing of private convo between me and op2hacker. So at that point we had no forums. We asked xfir for the forum database but he wouldnt give it to us. op2hakcer had allready copyed the database so we were about to get the forums moved here quickly and effectivly.
What im saying is, xfir took down your forums. We were there to fix them by puting them here. Weather xfir taking the forums offline was temporay (like the joke) is unknown, but in my opion illrelevent. He took them down once again!
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I do agree with you it2000us.
we have to get on with OPU, and put this behind us. We can't undo this.
Arguing about it does nothing, it changes nothing. We had to make this move to preserve the gaming community.
So please, let's get on with things.
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preserve the whole community and enable us to improve.
o yea: i agree.
and vote in the poll ^
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Tell me, had it ever occured to anyone to just start the DB fresh instead of just taking it by force? HVK has lost it's forums many times before and we have started afresh quite a bit. To my knowledge everyone has still made it back to HVK's forums and reregistered. It DOES NOT HURT ANYTHING to start fresh. What the hell is the point of taking something when starting fresh would have been a much MUCH more effective way and less conflicting? I don't see the point of what you guys have done.
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It would have been proper stupid to start a fresh... lose all this work/posts.
If we were unable to keep going with the forums from where we are we would not have done it.
Im sure your forums are smaller, i may be wrong. This is the whole community, not just a clan. This game is so old and has so little players we cant aford to start over agian, we hope we never have to again.
And keeping going from where we are is more effective than starting over, whatevea you think. We can just keep going like nothing happend and etc (http://forum.outpostuniverse.net/style_images/Red_Aler-999/icon4.gif)
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So you guys are saying, increase activity. Does that mean I can post total, irrelevent crap everywhere?
Also, sometimes its a good idea to back off for a bit and let tempers cool...
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Baikon some members are chosing to do that like GP and Kiith.
And spam will be deleted :P
It means help the forums stay active by posting.
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Lev, your obviously not getting my point, which means i'm not putting it clear enough. My next post in this thread i hope will get it through your head.
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Right.....
Whatever he said lev.
Levi i thought you were smart? and now you cant understand what that dude is saing. Tsk tsk tsk. Too much op2 has fried you'r brain levi.
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I'm really not sure about the move. I suppose i would be under/misinformed but it does seem like something needed to be done.
Allthough, in my opinion, it seems hacker and levi may have provoked xfir a bit.
But at that point in time something had to be done.
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I think u all are F***IN idiots, ok the forum moved so what? Were still here, so just SHUT THE F**K up and play some GOD DAMN OP2, thats why were here arent we? Yall talk to much, this is not a government democrasy its a free community where ANYTHING can happen no matter what you do. SO just F***ING chill.
lol, it, you should take your own advice there. If you don't agree with the arguing, that's fine, ignore it as it will be confined to small areas so that the comunity can still function a little.
BTW CK9: xfir did have improper security. almost all of his files were CHMODed 644 or better, allowing anyone with a valid account and some PHP scripting knowledge to retrieve ANY files on the site.
For the people who don't know what CHMOD 644 means, it basically means any valid user on that webserver could read the files sitting in his account, no 'hacking' or 'cracking' necessary.
all that tells me, hacker, is that his mistake was not in security, but in the trust of you. The only reason to secure those files would be a lack of trust of the people who could access them. By not securing them, it shows that 1) he felt he could trust the people on the web server and 2) he felt that he could trust you in the first place because he lent you the ftp port use.
It would have been proper stupid to start a fresh... lose all this work/posts.
If we were unable to keep going with the forums from where we are we would not have done it.
refresh my memmory, but I seem to have missed the day that it became impossible to archive pages on other sites and put them were they can be referenced. Also, the only work I've seen posted on this forum is stuff that you don't need the originl thread to be around for for it to still ake sence.
So you guys are saying, increase activity. Does that mean I can post total, irrelevent crap everywhere?
not a good idea, although we all are showing the drawing of 'battle' lines, there are still common sence rules that must be upheld
okay, now that I've made those statements, I'll get to my point.
We've got old forumites (That term has become habitual for me in the indication of forum members) and new ones, issues that were never resloved and ones yet to be seen, and yes, we have showings that you always have to be careful with whom you trust around stuff. Taking time to cool off just holds the frustration within, so people like it who say just forget about it, just don't go into the arguments, no one's focing you to read them. Some of us want to vent it so that it doesn't pop up later when the community finally settles enough to function at even a slightly similar way as it did way back when.
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Good points, i hope we can function better in future. Tensions in the community are not good.
I sposed we could of copyed the forum CK9 and then started are own with it. But that would have been pointless.
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CK9, when was the last time u were on IRC? Exactly, so how do u even know whats happening here? Exactly u dont so stop pretending like u know what ur doing. :P
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You say exactally before you even have me respond, how juvenile.
True, I don't go on IRC often, mainly because I end up sitting there watching an inactive screen for an hour before anyone returns to their computer long enough to check it. Still, I never said I know what's happening here. I have a good idea of what's going on based on IRC logs, forum threads, conversations (though short in length) with lev and hacker, and making sure that none of the information was falsfied by asking xfir to verify it (which he did, and I now know that every word in the logs posted are not tampered with). So, it, why is it that you choose now to go back to this atitude so similar to that shown by a fifth grader after you had shown so much improvement in how you treated others before when you had returned to xfir's forum?
If your post is an attempt to get a rise out of me, it will take more than any words could express to do so, unlike with what I have seen from some people here *cough*kosh*cough*.
BTW, I'd like to thank lev for choosing a mature responce there rather than trying the one it did.
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Yes, yes, im a little boy traped in a big man body.
Dodo, u have known me for years on this forum, u know better than to take me seriously. Its times like these when s*** like this happens that brings out the little kid in me and makes me want to get on peoples nerves.
This is the first most fun and interesting thing thats happened since *The Killer Crisis*. So i have to have some fun. Can u bame me?
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It, Dodo has never been registered on this forum. He was a rather rude player though, excet to the people with their skill level marked as expert and guru
I could see it as being taken the way you claim you ment it if you had it in an off topic forum, but when you are in a serious forum, please at least attempt to stay with that
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Lmao, DOdo, sorry i meant to say *dude*lol
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anyway, the results stand at Do you agree with the decision of hacker and lev?
Yes, it was needed [ 3 ] [18.75%]
Yes, but they should have found a way to consult all of us first [ 0 ] [0.00%]
I'm not sure [ 3 ] [18.75%]
Not really [ 2 ] [12.50%]
Not at all [ 4 ] [25.00%]
I plead the fifth [ 1 ] [6.25%]
Total Votes: 13
should the poll be re-reun in case anyone has chaned their mind based off of in in this thread?
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I dont think the poll needs to be restarted no. Just a shame not that many people have voted.
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just one question for you, lev, if xfir shows a sign of wanting to rejoin the community, will he be treated like kiler was at first, or will he be welcomed as a member?
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Dude cuz no1 cares, just like me, they moved on, only u old farts are still going at it.
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oh, so you are as old as your statements suggest?
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just one question for you, lev, if xfir shows a sign of wanting to rejoin the community, will he be treated like kiler was at first, or will he be welcomed as a member?
If u kept up to date with my posts.. i posted in forum thread about this.
i said his account is currently removed, but he was a memeber so he has a right to post here.
of chorse we dont want him messing anything up tho.
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sorry, I had forgotten that one (I was reading and working on an english assignment at the same time :S)
you seem devided upon the idea that every member counts and the thought that he will seek revenge.
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Well it wouldn't surprise me if he tried to exact revenge on us.
He can't though, he can rejoin but he can never get to a position of power again.
If he is interested in OP2 again and is willing to make meaningful posts (that means he'll actually be helpful not just make spam posts or talk about how he hates us) then he can come again.
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i dont think he will, i think he could fit in fine here. but clearly hes anoyed at us. i dont think he would realy do anything to damage the community, we did that right :D
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well, they were right, opposites attract. In this, lev is the one that's correct.
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sorry, that i didn't vote yet. I can't see at this point whether the move was a good idea.
and the only thing Lev and hacker could have done better is that they could have waited for xfir to put the forum back online before starting the new domain.
It wouldn't have harmed anyone, if the forums where offline more than just a few hours.
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We wanted to wait for a bit more, actually we ultimately wanted to wait to get the new website design totally finished.
However it got started accidently when lev pasted some stuff (stuff we didn't want xfir to see) into the wrong window, that window being the #outpost2 channel window, and we more or less had to, lest we risk xfir deleting the forums or making it impossible to move them some other way. (He wouldn't surrender the forums/DB to us on our request so we more or less had to do it the dirty way).
I think he was going to delete the forums as soon as he saw the accidental paste, since he knew we were gonna attempt *something*.
Yeah the situation was less than ideal but it's all we had to work with unfortunately. :(
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You know, I'm sure xfir kept a backup of everything. I think you underestimate how important the forums were to him.
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I'm not sure, we acted fast, I truncated all the mysql tables after we had a copy.
He probably has a backup, who knows how recent though.
Forums important to him? well maybe. but OP2 sure wasn't for him
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Yeah I got a huge desire to read the rest of this, but I only read the first few posts. First off I'd just like to say "hello" to all of you who know me; especially CK9, because I haven't seen ya in a while.
Anyways I'm all for the change, because I had been having problems with xfir myself. Now I can actually show my face around here again. ;)
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Lets hope he gets back...
Even if he might be an ass...I wouldnt know...
But we still are hopefully strong...
^_^
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hacker, xfir is not one to seek revenge like that.
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hi kosh
so are you basing you responce over a personal quarrel or over observation?
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i know i dont post alot (not sure why) but this seemed important because lots of people that post seem under/mis informed so i decided to put these irc logs here for people to read.
In my opinion xfir seems a bit... agitated, but hacker and lev were going behind his back, and he didnt protect the site (I assume) because he trusted them. It also looks like this is after he figured out levi and hacker were up to something, but thats just my opinion, these are for other people to read and to my knowledge, have no been edited in any way whatsoever, the titles are the file names as i found them.
"xfir_takes_fourm_down.txt"
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(21:25:55) (Oprime|FFXI) lol
(21:26:02) (@OPU|xfir) Yea... go about kissing my ass... I'll leave the forum in one piece.
(21:26:13) (Noetic_Nim) so you are unwilling to understand some one elses pont of view so much that you will resote to violent action
(21:26:18) (Oprime|FFXI) what
(21:26:20) (@OPU|xfir) Like I said, it won't take much to kill the forum.
(21:26:34) (@OPU|hacker) why do you keep referring to killing the forum?
(21:26:35) (@OPU|xfir) Who is to say that is violent?
(21:26:41) (@OPU|hacker) its not really a great joke
(21:26:44) (@OPU|xfir) Technically I own the damn thing.
(21:26:44) (Noetic_Nim) it is
(21:26:48) (@OPU|hacker) a good joke would be
(21:26:54) (@OPU|xfir) Nervous?
(21:26:57) (Noetic_Nim) no
(21:26:57) (@OPU|hacker) ill find where u live
(21:26:59) (@OPU|hacker) and eat you
(21:27:03) (Noetic_Nim) lol
(21:27:08) (@OPU|xfir) And eat me! That won't bring it back.
(21:27:10) (Oprime|FFXI)
(21:27:38) (@OPU|hacker) and you want to delete it why?
(21:27:50) (Noetic_Nim) so your saying that becuse you think you own the sight that you have the right to not understand people?
(21:28:05) (Noetic_Nim) so your a monarch
(21:28:08) (Noetic_Nim) is that it
(21:28:14) (Oprime|FFXI) xfir are you angry at us or something
(21:28:1) (Noetic_Nim) this form is not the property of the community
(21:28:3) (Noetic_Nim) ?
(21:28:43) (Sl0vi) wtf is the point in all of this?
(21:28:44) (@OPU|xfir) ooh s***.
(21:28:47) •›› Nick: (OPU|xfir) is now known as (OPU|xfir|out)
(21:28:58) (Oprime|FFXI) ?
(21:29:04) (Noetic_Nim) well whatever
(21:29:13) (Oprime|FFXI) ok I'm confused
(21:29:26) (Noetic_Nim) i hope he dost go balistic on you guys
(21:29:34) •›› Quit: (Chaos|brb) (~extremere@pcp0011618543pcs.glst3401.nj.comcast.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
(21:29:45) (Sl0vi) he actually killed the forum
(21:30:04) (Noetic_Nim) i dont think so
(21:30:16) (Sl0vi) well, its not working
(21:30:17) (Noetic_Nim) if he did thats kinda messed up
(21:30:23) (@OPU|hacker) HMM
(21:30:26) (Oprime|FFXI) it went from talking about baikon to shuting down the forums?
(21:30:49) (Sl0vi) Can I ask, what is the problem in here tonight?
(21:30:54) (Noetic_Nim) i dont know
(21:31:00) (Oprime|FFXI) :/ don't ask me
(21:31:09) (Oprime|FFXI) I have no clue
(21:31:29) (Oprime|FFXI) I just got back after a week of playing final fantasy online
(21:31:35) (Noetic_Nim) i just asked him if the form was the property of the communtity or not
(21:31:42) •›› Nick: (0zigzagjoe|gmeet) is now known as (0zigzagjoe)
(21:31:49) (Oprime|FFXI) no it's his
(21:31:50) (Noetic_Nim) i mean it should be right
(21:31:53) (Sl0vi) property of the community?? Is there such a thing?
(21:32:02) (Oprime|FFXI) nope
(21:32:03) (Sl0vi) no it's his... sort of
(21:32:07) (Noetic_Nim) so
(21:32:25) (Oprime|FFXI) it was started by xfir
(21:32:31) (Sl0vi) he owns the website, so he has full control of it and can do whatever he likes with it
(21:32:31) (Oprime|FFXI) right hacker
(21:32:35) (+zigzagjoe) hello
(21:32:40) (Noetic_Nim) thats kinda too bad for you guys
(21:32:46) (Oprime|FFXI) OPU|hacker
(21:32:58) (Noetic_Nim) so he has compleate contorll
(21:33:01) (@OPU|hacker) yes?
(21:33:05) (Oprime|FFXI) yes
(21:33:08) (Sl0vi) have you ever heard of a forum completely owned by a community?
(21:33:27) (Noetic_Nim) well thats not vary democratic
(21:33:35) (Oprime|FFXI) what is?
(21:33:36) (Sl0vi) well, this is the internet
(21:33:46) (+zigzagjoe) anybody hosting a game?
(21:33:50) (Sl0vi) who says it's democratic?
(21:33:52) (Oprime|FFXI) the US is really not a democracy
(21:33:57) (Noetic_Nim) i know
(21:34:02) (Noetic_Nim) you dont need to remind me
(21:34:03) (Noetic_Nim) lol
(21:34:14) (Oprime|FFXI) it's a republic
(21:34:29) (Noetic_Nim) its not rilly that eather
(21:34:29) (Sl0vi) lol
(21:34:30) (Oprime|FFXI) nothing is democratic
(21:34:37) (+zigzagjoe) arrg...
(21:34:39) (Sl0vi) schwitzerland is
(21:34:43) (@OPU|Leviathan) hm
(21:34:44) (Noetic_Nim) its more like an orgalarcy
(21:35:06) (Sl0vi) almost all laws get voted on there
(21:35:14) (+zigzagjoe) @OPU|Leviathan: what time zone are you in?
(21:35:17) (Oprime|FFXI) I don't think swiss is ether
(21:35:19) (@OPU|Leviathan) erm
(21:35:30) (+zigzagjoe) ...
(21:35:31) (Sl0vi) what is your understanding of a democracy???
(21:35:37) (Sl0vi) cause it seems a bit of
(21:35:39) (Noetic_Nim) well go back to anchent greece and they had in 500 bc a true republic
(21:35:48) (Oprime|FFXI) when the people control the goverment
(21:35:57) (Sl0vi) the people sort of do
(21:36:01) (Oprime|FFXI) not a single person is the ruler
(21:36:13) (+zigzagjoe) is/can anybody hosting a game?
(21:36:16) (Sl0vi) Well, where I live, we have multyparty governments
(21:36:26) (Sl0vi) so no single person can be the ruler here
(21:36:27) (Noetic_Nim) whare do you live?
(21:36:33) (Oprime|FFXI) not even a single group can be a ruler
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"The_Last_Battles.txt"
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(13:37:41) (@OPU|xfir) You should know perfectly well.
(13:37:47) (+zigzagjoe|clean) ??
(13:40:01) (@OPU|xfir) I suppose you want to tell me a line that "well the IRC channel isn't community owned." Bulls***. If you think I won't notice your little power trip, then you are dead wrong. Which is why I'm the only admin at the forums.
(13:40:22) (@OPU|xfir) Thus, you cut me, I cut you.
(13:40:26) (@OPU|Leviathan) i removed ppls status on channels ya
(13:40:47) (@OPU|Leviathan) i no longer am mod ? :(
(13:41:03) (Eric3d2b) lol
(13:41:10) (@OPU|xfir) You wanted Owner on Lobby. So I gave it to you. And you removed mine. Then hacker removes most of my status in the bot.
(13:41:12) (@OPU|Leviathan) no more deleted ppls shouts
(13:41:19) (+zigzagjoe|clean) ...
(13:41:23) (@OPU|Leviathan) rly.. i c.. okdokes
(13:41:35) (@OPU|xfir) Thus I'm cutting both of you off.
(13:41:39) (@OPU|Leviathan) sure
(13:41:51) (Eric3d2b) lol
(13:41:57) (@OPU|xfir) This can easily end ugly.
(13:42:15) (@OPU|Leviathan) i dont think it will
(13:42:29) (@OPU|Leviathan) its ended,, u got forums how u like
(13:43:31) (@MoogleKupoHaX) eeep
(13:43:34) (+zigzagjoe|clean) ...
(13:43:52) (+zigzagjoe|clean) i have no idea whats goin down but it ain't good.
(13:44:05) (@OPU|xfir) Why exactly do you need supreme power in all the channels anyway? and what's next? #Outpost2.coding gonna get the shaft like lobby and this channel?
(13:44:05) (Nightmare24148) Hehe
(13:44:15) (@OPU|Leviathan) all i can say joe is what i allways say, post on forums more :)
(13:44:38) (+zigzagjoe|clean) ...
(13:44:59) (Nightmare24148) Sigh
(13:45:06) (@OPU|xfir) What I can't see is why you couldn't handle me being owner in lobby.
(13:45:09) (@OPU|Leviathan) i clearly dont need it xfir, but i started this channel so i chose to keep it how it is
(13:45:53) (+zigzagjoe|clean) is this some kind of pwer struggle?
(13:46:08) (@OPU|xfir) Right. So then I can say that since I started the forum, I have total control, which I do. There is no "community" ownership.
(13:46:14) (Nightmare24148) Is this some bad war?
(13:46:15) (Nightmare24148) OH NOES!
(13:46:18) (+zigzagjoe|clean) ...
(13:46:20) (@OPU|xfir) This is me b****ing them out.
(13:46:23) (@OPU|Leviathan) he dosent like me bein the only one 2 have 'supreme' power on irc
(13:46:54) (@OPU|Leviathan) right
(13:46:58) (Eric3d2b) unless you bring a form of won into this, than this place is fine as is
(13:47:15) (Eric3d2b) no changes necessary
(13:47:16) (+zigzagjoe|clean) ...
(13:47:18) (@OPU|xfir) I wonder what will happen if we decide to move the IRC channel... and leave Levi here.
(13:47:25) (+zigzagjoe|clean) ...
(13:47:34) (Eric3d2b) doubt it would happen...
(13:47:43) (+zigzagjoe|clean) i sense deep enimety.
(13:47:44) (@OPU|Leviathan) id cry
(13:47:44) (@OPU|Leviathan) etc
(13:48:08) (@OPU|xfir) Like I said, I have the complete control over the site.
(13:48:08) (Nightmare24148) A great storm is coming...
(13:48:13) (Eric3d2b) that would be taking players away from op2! Thats blasphemy!
(13:48:19) (@OPU|Leviathan) :)
(13:48:25) (@OPU|xfir) Bah. There aren't enough as it is.
(13:48:31) (Nightmare24148) Ok ok xfir has the control
(13:48:32) (@MoogleKupoHaX) If there is going to be this massive power struggle can i havew a backup copy of everything juist incase the s*** hits the fan please?
(13:48:42) (Eric3d2b) lol
(13:48:43) (@OPU|xfir) Outpost 3 is more than likely never going to be released.
(13:48:51) (@OPU|xfir) MoogleKupoHaX: No.
(13:48:53) (Eric3d2b) wha...
(13:49:05) (@OPU|xfir) If it goes down, it is going like NHCS.
(13:49:07) (Eric3d2b) why...
(13:49:19) (Eric3d2b) they were okay...
(13:49:24) (@MoogleKupoHaX) nhcs?
(13:49:30) (@OPU|Leviathan) new haven command site.
(13:49:33) (Eric3d2b) new haven comand site
(13:49:34) (@OPU|xfir) Lack of interest on the developers part. None of them seem capable of actually completing it.
(13:49:48) (Nightmare24148) Ok so the problem is Levi has the IRC, but xfir has thge site...so whats the problem?
(13:50:04) (@OPU|xfir) Sure there may be input of new members, but in reality, this community is dying.
(13:50:04) (Eric3d2b) thats the thing eden versus plymouth
(13:50:12) (Eric3d2b) levi reps plymouth
(13:50:12) (@OPU|Leviathan) yea weve allwys known it xfir. least leeor is workin on opmia
(13:50:24) (@OPU|Leviathan) but ya knux is more or less gone :/
(13:50:43) (@OPU|Leviathan) xfir i totaly disagree
(13:50:47) (@OPU|Leviathan) the comunity is growing
(13:50:59) (@OPU|xfir) Nothing here to keep people here.
(13:51:08) (Nightmare24148) Hmmm I was actually once thinking of making an OP2 TC for generals or Yuris Revenge or something
(13:51:08) (Nightmare24148) Im thinking
(13:51:14) (Eric3d2b) people just have other things to do and will be back once in a while
(13:51:17) (@MoogleKupoHaX) not with that attiture OPU|xfir
(13:51:22) (@MoogleKupoHaX) attitude
(13:51:31) (@OPU|xfir) Nightmare24148: and if you did, what are the chances you'd complete it?
(13:51:36) (@OPU|Leviathan) Nightmare if u wanna help op2, learn 2 build/code for it. not otehr games.
(13:51:36) (@OPU|xfir) MoogleKupoHaX: shut it.
(13:51:45) (Eric3d2b) updates and reunions probably organize the forces
(13:51:59) (Nightmare24148) IDK
(13:52:07) (Nightmare24148) Id have to assemble a team and see if it is even possible to code
(13:52:17) (Nightmare24148) I got a bunch of people I can try to convince to help
(13:52:19) (@OPU|xfir) People lack motivation to complete things they don't get rewards for.
(13:52:30) (Nightmare24148) Im also a person of derelictstudios.net
(13:52:32) (Nightmare24148) Staff
(13:52:33) (Eric3d2b) they get the happy comments of faithful fans...
(13:52:35) (Nightmare24148) IDK tho
(13:52:38) (Nightmare24148) Maybe
(13:52:50) (@OPU|Leviathan) hes sayig Eric3d2b that there aint enough of us
(13:52:54) (@MoogleKupoHaX) thats why i wanted to set up a rewards system
(13:53:08) (@OPU|Leviathan) xifr i dont understand that ur main feeling is that op3 and new projects r main part or most importiant
(13:53:11) (@OPU|xfir) A minor improvement in self-esteem from your 6 fans, great. Not to mention the hammering from all the disappointed people.
(13:53:25) (@OPU|Leviathan) we dont need new game projects or wutevaa 2 keep ppl here. we got op2
(13:53:31) (@OPU|xfir) MoogleKupoHaX: and persay how would we do that?
(13:53:50) (+zigzagjoe|clean) ...
(13:54:05) (@MoogleKupoHaX) paypal donations
(13:54:05) (Eric3d2b) finsih the current projects and its like making goods from the consumer factory
(13:54:06) (@OPU|Leviathan) moogle if u got ideas like that post em in opu dev forum or somthin
(13:54:11) (@OPU|xfir) And what in Outpost 2 keeps people here?
(13:54:33) (Eric3d2b) the fact its a great game
(13:54:35) (@OPU|Leviathan) the game itself
(13:54:37) (@MoogleKupoHaX) the game
(13:54:41) (+zigzagjoe|clean) yes
(13:54:43) (@OPU|xfir) MoogleKupoHaX: I have a paypal button.. and you know what? Mez is the ONLY person who has donated to it.
(13:54:48) (@OPU|Leviathan) the improtmets were now able 2 make.
(13:54:58) (Eric3d2b) arent you supposd to be cleaning?
(13:55:04) (@MoogleKupoHaX) yeah but it onl goes to you
(13:55:07) (@OPU|Leviathan) 2 chanch that ppl can now many there own things 4 the game
(13:55:12) (@OPU|xfir) Aren't your improvements making people mad though?
(13:55:27) (@OPU|Leviathan) correct there
(13:55:30) (Nightmare24148) Im gonna take a break
(13:55:35) (@OPU|Leviathan) cya
(13:55:43) (@OPU|xfir) MoogleKupoHaX: what I am trying to get across is that even if we had that, there still wouldn't be anyone to donate to it.
(13:55:44) (+zigzagjoe|clean) cya
(13:55:49) (Eric3d2b) you pissed off the cheaters...
(13:56:09) (@OPU|Leviathan) cuz were a small comunity xfir
(13:56:10) (+zigzagjoe|clean) yes i'm cleaning but i'm popping on every min or so
(13:56:20) (+zigzagjoe|clean) this is something i should know
(13:56:21) (Eric3d2b) ah
(13:56:26) (@MoogleKupoHaX) we need advertizeing
(13:56:28) (@OPU|xfir) This community is composed mostly of poor individuals and people under the age of 18.
(13:56:31) (Eric3d2b) yes...
(13:56:36) (+zigzagjoe|clean) yes
(13:56:39) (@OPU|Leviathan) but we cant adtervise yet MoogleKupoHaX imo. were not rdy.
(13:56:41) (@OPU|xfir) Advertising costs
(13:57:04) (@OPU|xfir) Not to mention the concerns over bandwidth
(13:57:08) (@MoogleKupoHaX) we could have shirts that people could buy
(13:57:09) (@OPU|Leviathan) i was gonna say somlike like that xfir.. most ppl r young and dont wanna pay. and money shouldnt hav n e thing 2 do with this.
(13:57:14) (Eric3d2b) if i made money i would help the advertisement...
(13:57:41) (@OPU|xfir) MoogleKupoHaX: YOU NEED INTEREST BEFORE THAT WORKS (-caps)
(13:57:49) (@OPU|Leviathan) rite
(13:58:11) (@MoogleKupoHaX) well you could give out trophies and metals to competition winners
(13:58:18) (Eric3d2b) poot on sites like the cheat sites, the game news sites...
(13:58:19) (@OPU|xfir) Which means nothing
(13:58:27) (Eric3d2b) put*
(13:58:29) (@MoogleKupoHaX) no
(13:58:56) (@MoogleKupoHaX) we could have a noob only event for noobs to compeat agents noobs only
(13:59:07) (@OPU|Leviathan) MoogleKupoHaX were all for ur ideas and input but not now..
(13:59:15) (Eric3d2b) lol that wood be fun
(13:59:16) (@OPU|xfir) Still, no real motivation if you get a plastic trophy for something
(13:59:29) (@OPU|xfir) It all costs money. I don't plan on investing any more into this.
(13:59:48) (@MoogleKupoHaX) ill invest
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(13:59:51) (@OPU|Leviathan) ill invest
(13:59:57) (PacoTheDon) sup lev
(13:59:57) (Eric3d2b) i would if i could...
(14:00:00) (PacoTheDon) invest in what?
(14:00:01) (@OPU|xfir) Then why haven't you yet?
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(14:00:18) (@MoogleKupoHaX) need leadership team
(14:03:44) (@OPU|xfir) Tell me something, did Kevin let you move the forums? Nope! Did Kiler? Nope!
(14:03:50) (@OPU|xfir) So why should I?
(14:04:12) (@MoogleKupoHaX) so tyhe game you love doesnt die
(14:04:16) (Eric3d2b) this is for the sake of op2 here
(14:04:27) (@OPU|xfir) It is aleady dead.
(14:04:45) (@OPU|Leviathan) incorrect
(14:04:49) (@OPU|Leviathan) think what u like
(14:04:53) (@OPU|Leviathan) let us be.
(14:04:54) (@OPU|xfir) Open your eyes man!
(14:04:56) (Eric3d2b) is nobdy caring for this game? if so then it is but peeps still care
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(14:04:59) (@OPU|Leviathan) can we have the forum plz @:D
(14:05:05) (@OPU|xfir) lol
(14:05:11) (Punboy) Morning all
(14:05:13) (@OPU|xfir) hi Punboy
(14:05:24) (Eric3d2b) any fortunes?
(14:05:46) (Punboy) The only difference between a rut and a grave is their dimensions.
(14:05:49) (@OPU|xfir) Punboy: do you think Outpost 2 is dead?
(14:06:00) (Punboy) Hell no.
(14:06:06) (@OPU|xfir) lol
(14:06:07) (Punboy) why?
(14:06:12) (Eric3d2b) your a pessimist xfir
(14:06:14) (@OPU|xfir) Am I the only one who sees it as dead?
(14:06:18) (Punboy) yes
(14:06:22) (@OPU|xfir) Prove to me it isn't dead then.
(14:06:31) (Punboy) we're... all here because of OP2...
(14:06:35) (@OPU|Leviathan) hah
(14:06:39) (Eric3d2b) what are we talking about and are peeps stil playing it?
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(14:06:55) (@OPU|Leviathan) think what u like. thx
(14:07:02) (Eric3d2b) op2 and peeps love this game and are dedicated
(14:07:05) (PacoTheDon) lev whats up
(14:07:08) (PacoTheDon) wit it?
(14:07:12) (@OPU|Leviathan) im hosted paco.
(14:07:18) (@OPU|xfir) If it were alive I would see much more activity in the Outpost 2 game's FORUM, rather than the Gerenal/Off-topic and Test forums, no?
(14:07:30) (Punboy) development on new missions and mods are finally runing smoothly... thanks to the SDK, and soon thanks to hacker's new mapper
(14:07:37) (@OPU|Leviathan) xifr - think what u like. thx
(14:07:46) (@OPU|Leviathan) :(
(14:07:51) (+molson) =o
(14:07:57) (Eric3d2b) the chatrooms are more appealing than forums
(14:08:05) (Punboy) If it were dead, you would see alot LESS activity as far as people playing games if it were truly dead
(14:08:20) (@OPU|Leviathan) but it would be nice if u posted Eric3d2b cuz we want forums active too
(14:08:20) (Eric3d2b) three peeps a year at most means dead
(14:08:33) (PacoTheDon) ok
(14:08:49) (@MoogleKupoHaX) bah i g2g wash my car
(14:08:58) (Eric3d2b) dont get wet?
(14:08:59) (Punboy) fine, so you see it as dead. But isn't the mission of OPU to revitalize it?
(14:09:01) (Eric3d2b) ciao
(14:09:05) (@OPU|xfir) Punboy: did you up the bandwidth on the opuxfir acccount? it is going to max again
(14:09:27) (PacoTheDon) who thinks this is worth it, computer for $700 (althlon 64 2800+)
(14:09:28) (PacoTheDon) http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-102-612&depa=0 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=83-102-612&depa=0)
(14:09:29) (@OPU|Leviathan) xfir if u think its dead leave it, leave us, give up. but let us keep the forums, let us move them 2 a new site.
(14:09:33) (@OPU|xfir) Right, it is. I just don't see it being very prosperous
(14:09:42) (PacoTheDon) Im in lev.
(14:09:47) (@OPU|Leviathan) allrite PacoTheDon 2mins.
(14:09:54) (Eric3d2b) id do what i can
(14:09:58) (+molson) i dunno
(14:10:02) (+molson) since i started idling here
(14:10:04) (+molson) problly 2
(14:10:09) (+molson) years ago
(14:10:10) (PacoTheDon) guess that sok
(14:10:18) (+molson) there was maybe 4 ppl idling here, including lev and xfir
(14:10:18) (PacoTheDon) hey molson.. maybe we can get a 2on2.
(14:10:30) (+molson) now look how big it has grown
(14:10:34) (@OPU|xfir) Idling != playing
(14:10:37) (@OPU|Leviathan) rite molson
(14:10:40) (+molson) op2 isnt dead, its acctualy growing again
(14:10:43) (@OPU|Leviathan) we have come far.
(14:10:45) (+molson) i notice it
(14:10:47) (Punboy) hallelujah
(14:10:50) (+molson) cuz theres more ppl here everytime
(14:10:50) (@OPU|Leviathan) defo growing
(14:11:02) (@OPU|Leviathan) not dieing, so i donno y xfir u think it is.
(14:11:06) (@OPU|xfir) Another thing, why are Hooman and Hacker so damn secretive about thier work?
(14:11:17) (@OPU|Leviathan) no idea xfir.
(14:11:26) (Punboy) they dun like forks.
(14:11:29) (@OPU|xfir) OPU|Hooman|Away
(14:11:35) (+molson) because xfir they took the time to do it and dont want ppl going through it changing s*** or learning what they did
(14:11:42) (@OPU|Leviathan) xfir can we have the forums moved then? so u can be left in peace?
(14:11:58) (@OPU|xfir) I never said I was leaving.
(14:12:03) (@OPU|Leviathan) i no
(14:12:28) (PacoTheDon) eric anygood?
(14:12:29) (@OPU|xfir) Anyway, I want to switch them over to a new forum infastructure first.
(14:14:13) (@OPU|xfir) OPU|Leviathan: For lack of anything else to do in life, I'll stick with it. Sure, the community is alive just not as much as I would like to see it. It lost the same appeal it had a while back.
(14:16:57) (@OPU|Leviathan) xfir so u cant let it go and let us get on with it ?
(14:18:03) (@OPU|xfir) Now, what if I told you this was all a test?
(14:18:21) (@OPU|xfir) But I am still mad about the L flags.
(14:18:25) (@OPU|Leviathan) indeed
(14:18:43) (+zigzagjoe|clean) ...
(14:18:54) (@OPU|xfir) And the bot flags
(14:19:35) (@OPU|xfir) I may just go make the internal dev forum read-only for you .. since hacker won't be able to edit my changes
(14:19:55) (@OPU|xfir) No secrets?
(14:24:21) (@OPU|xfir) The mod/admin forum will still be invisivle
(14:24:26) (@OPU|xfir) Invisible
(14:27:53) (@OPU|xfir) OPU|Leviathan: I'll trust you enough to return you to GM status. But hacker won't be able to access admincp until I talk with him.
<...A DAY GOES BY....>
(15:13:59) (@OPU|xfir) why am I reminded of a situation some time ago that involved one such admin known as "Kiler" ?
(15:14:27) (@OPU|xfir) so OPU|hacker is the brainchild behind it?
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(15:21:44) (xamlit) ahhhhhhhhhhhh
(15:21:49) (xamlit) what happened to the forum
(15:22:08) (xamlit) OPU|xfir
(15:22:12) (xamlit) OPU|Leviathan
(15:22:15) (@OPU|xfir) Leave me alone.
(15:22:15) (xamlit) OPU|hacker
(15:22:26) (xamlit) whats up xfir? something wrong?
(15:22:30) (@OPU|xfir) Yes.
(15:22:37) (xamlit) ?
(15:22:51) (@OPU|xfir) Why don't you ask OPU|Leviathan or OPU|hacker.
(15:22:53) (xamlit) What is it?
(15:23:06) (xamlit) none of them are apparently around
(15:23:16) (xamlit) something ad happen?
(15:23:25) (xamlit) *bad
(15:24:52) (@OPU|Leviathan^) awww
(15:24:57) (@OPU|Leviathan^) forum go bye bye
(15:25:12) (xamlit) why?
(15:25:33) (@OPU|Leviathan^) its not my forum i woudlnt know
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(15:25:55) (@OPU|Leviathan^) hi Ste-V..
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(15:26:40) (@OPU|xfir) lol, OPU|Leviathan. You would too know.
(15:27:43) (@OPU|Leviathan^) i didnt take it down, u did
(15:28:04) (@OPU|xfir) The main difference here is that I have the FTP control. Unlike Kiler, who couldn't decide what he was doing.
(15:29:57) (@OPU|Leviathan^) rote
(15:30:50) (@OPU|xfir) Where is hacker? I want to b**** him out.
(15:30:57) (@OPU|Leviathan^) sure
(15:31:03) (@OPU|Leviathan^) hes eating tea
(15:31:05) (@OPU|Leviathan^) diner*
(15:31:16) (@OPU|xfir) eating tea?
(15:31:18) (@OPU|xfir) lol
(15:31:23) (xamlit) bleh.
(15:31:24) (@OPU|Leviathan^) we call it tea jere
(15:31:27) (xamlit) what type of changes?
(15:31:39) (xamlit) why the forum mutiny Lol.
(15:32:31) (@OPU|Leviathan^) xifr like i said y'day, can we move the forum please and leave u in peace?
(15:33:01) (xamlit) why the forum move?
(15:33:02) (xamlit) bleh.
(15:33:06) (xamlit) I like how it is now.
(15:33:10) (@OPU|xfir) But that's the thing. I don't want it to move.
(15:33:21) (xamlit) If too much power lies in one hand.. a dictatorship is in place.
(15:33:23) (xamlit) its good the way it is.
(15:33:33) (xamlit) lev has IRC n such
(15:33:38) (xamlit) xfir has forum
(15:33:51) (xamlit) if either one of you decided to be a prick.. we still have the other.
(15:34:12) (+Eddy-B) lev
(15:34:16) (+Eddy-B) u called me ?
(15:34:32) (@OPU|Leviathan^) dont worry Eddy-B
(15:34:36) (+Eddy-B) i dont
(15:34:44) (+Eddy-B) just saw u mention my name
(15:35:34) (+Eddy-B) ah.. i got it now :-)
(15:35:47) (+Eddy-B) i've been thinking about what to add to it..
(15:36:21) (@OPU|Leviathan^) i rly do need 2 help u with it i think
(15:36:22) (@OPU|Leviathan^) and other ppl
(15:36:31) (+Eddy-B) lol
(15:36:31) (@OPU|xfir) Thing is xamlit, they are trying to get the forum from me.
(15:36:43) (+Eddy-B) the programming thing is one thing - the "design" is another
(15:36:58) (@OPU|Leviathan^) we want ur blood.
(15:38:03) (xamlit) Hey, Lev, unless you provide some more info.. on what type of changes xfir is blocking I don't think I can fully have an opinion.
(15:38:30) (@OPU|Leviathan^) rite. so dont worry about it.
(15:40:41) (+zigzagjoe) neutrino whats your connection?
(15:41:05) (@OPU|hacker) back
(15:41:12) (xamlit) OPU|hacker
(15:41:13) (xamlit) Lol.
(15:41:20) (+zigzagjoe) ...
(15:41:23) (@OPU|hacker) OK OPU|xfir, I know you want to get out of your dealings with OPU.
(15:41:34) (+Eddy-B) trouble TH300 ?
(15:41:55) (+TH300) no, but just noticed that something withe forum is wrong
(15:42:08) (@OPU|xfir) I never said I did. Who told you that or how did your mind misconstrew it?
(15:42:41) (+zigzagjoe) ...
(15:42:54) (@OPU|hacker) i can sense that you want to get out
(15:43:02) (@OPU|hacker) you don't want to renew the domain, etc etc
(15:43:04) (@OPU|xfir) I can sense you want me out.
(15:43:05) (@OPU|Leviathan^) he dosnt tho
(15:43:09) (@OPU|Leviathan^) he said that y'day
(15:43:13) (@OPU|xfir) Dude! I renewed the domain!
(15:43:23) (@OPU|hacker) but you almost didn't want to
(15:43:27) (@OPU|Leviathan^) he likes his forum, just not just same apeal as it did.
(15:43:29) (@OPU|hacker) like you questioned whether we should
(15:43:31) (@OPU|hacker) renew
(15:43:50) (@OPU|xfir) Well, that was because I didn't have any money
(15:44:32) (@OPU|xfir) and I still don't. But I renewed it.
(15:44:48) (@OPU|hacker) then why do you sometimes slam this place?
(15:44:53) (@OPU|hacker) "OP2 is dying"
(15:44:56) (@OPU|hacker) "You people are hopeless"
(15:45:08) (@OPU|xfir) Well, first of all,
(15:45:15) (@OPU|xfir) How much pressure are you under?
(15:45:23) (@OPU|hacker) not terribly much
(15:46:24) (@OPU|xfir) Precisely. How much do you think I'm under?
(15:46:54) (+Eddy-B) brb
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(15:47:13) (@OPU|hacker) a bit, cuz of school etc
(15:47:29) (@OPU|Leviathan^) none, u live the high life?
(15:47:33) (@OPU|xfir) bit? No no no.. a f*** load
(15:47:34) (@OPU|Hooman) ... wait until you hit university
(15:47:38) (+zigzagjoe) ...
(15:47:52) (@OPU|xfir) high life? I'm nearly bankrupt
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(15:48:17) (@OPU|xfir) Thus sometimes you tend to over do certain situations.
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(15:48:35) (@OPU|xfir) Things not meeting expectations tend to explode
(15:48:41) (@OPU|xfir) kevin had the same problem
(15:49:08) (@OPU|xfir) Course he was more meticulous in his ways
(15:49:28) (@OPU|xfir) (gah that pizza is making me sick)
(15:50:05) (@OPU|xfir) My question for you is why am I so bad you must leave me out of the loop?
(15:50:29) (@OPU|hacker) if we want to add forums, you say no.
(15:50:35) (@OPU|hacker) if we want to add someone as admin, you say no.
(15:50:46) (@OPU|hacker) if we want to do anything with forums, you say no
(15:50:56) (@OPU|xfir) Well, look at it this way: I can justify the confusion caused by it to see the benefit of it.
(15:51:01) (@OPU|hacker) and we don't ask a lot of you.
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(15:51:25) (@OPU|xfir) can't*
(15:51:31) (@OPU|Leviathan^) rite
(15:51:37) (@OPU|Leviathan^) thats ur intrests
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(15:51:57) (@OPU|xfir) The thing is, you tend to overlook the situation. There are things about it you don't realize
(15:52:06) (@OPU|Leviathan^) probly.
(15:52:27) (@OPU|hacker) like ?
(15:52:27) (@OPU|xfir) I try to look at it from different angles to see if it would really benefit.
(15:52:35) (@OPU|xfir) and Lev, take a side and stick to it.
(15:52:50) (@OPU|hacker) what would you know about OPU? you do not even participate in OPU. Thus, you can't know what we need / don't need.
(15:52:53) (@OPU|hacker) You are just the webhost.
(15:52:59) (@OPU|hacker) you aren't involved
(15:53:04) (@OPU|xfir) Adding more admins can really screw stuff up. Look at Kiler's regime.
(15:53:24) (@OPU|xfir) Right. Now tell me why I'm not involved.
(15:53:39) (@OPU|Leviathan^) read up ^
(15:53:57) (@OPU|xfir) You tend to leave me out, which is why I'm not involved.
(15:54:13) (@OPU|xfir) You plan reunions and tell me the day it happens.
(15:54:44) (@OPU|hacker) we ask you "Want to play OP2?" you never do
(15:54:56) (@OPU|hacker) that's part of being involved
(15:54:57) (@OPU|Leviathan^) lol hacker thats ilrelvent
(15:55:11) (@OPU|Hooman) ... I never play either
(15:55:14) (@OPU|xfir) lol, yea
(15:55:21) (@OPU|Hooman) just a thought
(15:55:40) (@OPU|Hooman) Anyways, is all this really necessary?
(15:58:08) (@OPU|Leviathan^) 'im a small and pety man in many ways, small and pety' - seymore skiner
(15:58:35) (@OPU|Leviathan^) well well well
(15:59:27) (@OPU|xfir) If you want me to leave I'm taking everything with me.
(15:59:41) (@OPU|Leviathan^) whats that then?
(15:59:56) (@OPU|xfir) OPU hosting, the forum, all that
(15:59:57) (@OPU|Leviathan^) everything?
(15:59:59) (@OPU|Leviathan^) ah
(16:00:04) (@OPU|Leviathan^) were move 2 a new domain
(16:00:11) (@OPU|xfir) I'm not going to hand over the database.
(16:00:15) (@OPU|Leviathan^) ok
(16:00:19) (@OPU|Leviathan^) :(
(16:00:23) (@OPU|Leviathan^) harsh
(16:00:35) (@OPU|Leviathan^) neo, u are the one
((16:13:09) (+TH300) can someone please tell me what exactly happend to the forum? it gives me an error now.
(16:13:17) (@OPU|Leviathan^) wait TH300
(16:13:19) (@OPU|Leviathan^) we are moveing it
(16:13:22) (@OPU|Leviathan^) xfir took it down
(16:13:26) (@OPU|Leviathan^) so we moveing it
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(16:19:41) (@OPU|Leviathan^) new site coming
(16:19:52) (@OPU|Leviathan^) at www.outpostuniverse.net
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sorry the post is so big :heh:
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Another thing he did which is wrong is the deletion of users with invalid e-mail accounts, even some who used the forums and were active.
One such person I can think of is Phantom. His account was deleted manually by xfir (there is no auto delete system) because his email bounced when the forum tried to send to him.
The only reasons I can think of deleting users is if they sign up, never post at all, and are never seen again. Phantom did not fall into this category at all.
First: It makes me feel great to be remembered after being gone almost a year. :)
Secondly: My email account was high-school based (And was still accessable for my first year of college). However it got deactivated, and therefore I got deleated.
However, I went on a hiatus about the same time as I was deleated and did not notice. I did try to come back however last winter, but the forums were closed, and there was no link provided at the time to the new forums. After going to op.xfir.net and seeing his message, I found the link to the new forums.
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My veiw on the subject (if you care): In my opininon, if xfir wanted to close the forums, he should have at least given us the option of running them in a different location.
Who the forums belong to: from what I understand, invision power board 1.3 was free (According to Leviathan).
If that is true, then the people who can claim any rights to the opu are the ones that code it. Therefore, whoever coded for the forum, has the right to copy it.
Since hacker and levi didn't hijack the server, (I do not know if they had a hand in coding the opu forums). And only moved the board. It isn't theft (since xfir took the forums offline anyways).
The only way any of this would be wrong is if xfir had copyrighted his board and the content on it (ex. posts, topics, pics, etc.) which I do not remember if he did that.
The point is, the board is here, it is exactly the same for the most part, and the community followed (A good number of them anyway).
We are here for one main reason, to discuss and play outpost 2. There is no point in arguing the subject anymore because it is irrelevant to playing outpost2. I'm greatful that we have the forums at all!
The only disagreement I have with lev and hacker is that it probably would have been a better idea to start from scratch if only for the reason to avoid future arguments.
My point is people,wining and complain all day about "he/she" did "this/that" doesn't help anybody. The only one who has any right to complain is Xfir.
Its time to move on people, sure we dissagree on what happened, and Im not saying to forget about it, but I think it is time to give it a rest.
People come here to play op2, not to watch people argue about it forever, and it will turn off potential members I can guarentee it.
I suggest leaving if it is that big of a deal to you. Cause what are we going to do about it? Take down the forums? I think not.[/Rant]
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if would not have been a better idea to start from scratch, y throw away the posts which have taken so long to build up!
thx 4 ur views..
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Well, I didn't mean everything. I assume that the posts are kept in text files or whatnot. So without copying the board exactly, wouldn't it have been possible to keep the posts and just have a different look for the forums?
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a different look? what? a different forum software? or do u mean look as in what this forum looks like? it looks like the skin u pick.
it uses a database, not a load of txt files..
we copyed the database over.
we had ibp b4, we still have it, just upgraded.
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OIC, nevermind, It was better that you guys copied the forum db over rather than lose everything.
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yep
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I don't agree with it mainly because I view it as stealing. What would you do if one of the top executives walked into his job at the bank, stole the database and moved it elsewhere. Without permission... Idk, my 2 cents...
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k i didnt have time and didnt want to read everything that is done and said but can we plz close this topic ... what done is done
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Do you really want to suppress the voices of the forum? Don't you want to maintain freedom of speech? We're not violating the TOS, so what's the problem? It's good to discuss it so people can get their opinions out. If we have no opinions, we have no individuality.
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Really i hate to say this, but things seem to be degrading rather quickly under Lev and Hacker. Evidence: 1.3.3
"From this point forward I wish to have public votes for major decisions that affect the community, so the people have their interests at hand and not the interests of one leader who doesn't even support the community."-op2hacker
Bulls***.
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you can give your opinion i have nothing against it (whel acualy i dont but its a long story but i bealeve nobody has a real opinion) bu tthats not the point... we all know what levi and hacker did wasnt the best... but ... we just know and i just keep getting irratated by this form from ppl telling it AGAIN and AGAIN ....
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Besides, we've been in this xfir-less mode for so long that going back would be even more disturbing than leaving was. I think we've pretty much settled into outpost-universe, and settlen this debate, too.
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Yes, the debate has been settled, so why don't we just drop the subject, lock this thread, and move on with life, what is done is done and CAN NOT be fixed.
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Yes, please. That would be good.
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it's been dropped for a while. notice the post dates.