Outpost Universe Forums
Community => News => Topic started by: Leviathan on March 20, 2005, 04:45:24 PM
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The forum, these forums, were located at op.xfir.net
From 20th March 2005, aprox 22:40pm GMT they are now at forum.outpostuniverse.net
xfir has removed our hosting for the websites and we would like to move them all to this nice new site.
We hope you enjoy, and our main aim is to not have xfir in control, but the community.
xfir did not give us this forum database, which is very unkind of him, as we would of liked to keep all the posts, but he dosent care. But as you can see we do have the database, thanks to op2hacker.
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All I can say is: Yay!
It's a good feeling to have the forums in our control. xfir really didn't seem a part of OPU and didn't help us out too much.
He forbidded us from creating new sections which would be beneficial to the OPU, and forbidded us from doing almost anything.
Not to mention he is a bad webmaster. (If his site was secure I shouldn't have been able to copy the DB and forums). :P
well, anyway, Welcome back all, and hopefully we can get on with a new era of OP2.
(Note to people who had OPU related sites under xfir.net: PM me and I'll create accounts for you off of this new site).
Update your links. op.xfir.net is no more.
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uhm... i think people who read this, already updated (some of) their links.
I hope this site will stay ! (thumbsup)
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... and another forum move is done.
will we ever stay at one place or are we going to move again in ~2 years?
well congrats. .. actually I don't know yet, what to think about all this. Its just sad, that there wasn't another way.
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We hope we can now improve the forums etc.
We are now are own webhosts.
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What started it all.......
The_Last_Battles.txt (http://zigzagjoe.no-ip.com/op2/The_Last_Battles.txt)
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woot i can still post
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nice log
here is mine from that day;
xfirlog.txt (http://www.outpost2.net/files/other/xfirlog.txt)
Howevea Joe it actauly started weeks ago, but the falling out with xfir started months ago.
well we disagreed on stuff and didnt like his control. so we moved it, then he took down all op2 sites and forum
its not xfir's fault, hes not a bad guy, we just wanted control which he wouldnt give.
and thanks a lot to xfir for linking us from from old url to new :D
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you got a readable format?
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my log has the most recent and last battle on it that ended with the forum move and xfirs departure. and readable
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I don't want to be seen as a hero or anything. This wasn't staged, we did this because we had to.
I saw a lot of stuff as the only other admin on the boards that most people didn't see. It was not very thrilling to say the least.
In IRC xfir joked about taking down the forums / site and did it as a prank once. This shouldn't be happening, it pissed off a lot of people who witnessed it.
He has become disconnected from the community totally, so I don't think he really has the right to start saying that we can't create (insert whatever here) when he doesn't even take part.
He was also too easy to offend. If someone offended him with something simple he blew his top and threatened to delete sites or whatnot.
But in any case, it's over. The community has control now and we can all do what we want here, instead of one person dictating how the forums need to be run.
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As i put it: He didnt have the attitude we wanted.
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makes me think his roomate got control over his computer (I know, I'm being a wishful thinker, but that doesn't sound like xfir to me. After all, if he didn't make OUF in the first place, we'd be stuck on suddenlaunch, and that system flat out sucked)
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Like I said before, a lot of it wasn't visible except to the highest-level people. Most people do agree with our decision to move here, because they have viewed xfir as a threat.
If you don't believe me, come on IRC and ask around.
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Ooookay seems like I missed something.
Reading the logs I see xfir was really acting... weird. I agree you guys at every point except where you said OP2 will keep them here. Sadly, games like Half-Life 2, Unreal, Quake, etc, etc, WoW, are taking away people from OP2.
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What do mean The Community has control? I think u mean that u have control now, not Xfir. If the community has control, then what ever desicions u make have to go throug every1 in the community for them to take affect.
Unles u are the community.
So how does it work now?
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Yeh, will everyone "vote" on every change made now? Like a OPU Democracy? If that is the csae, then how long before that Democracy is corrupted, and we are put in an even worse position. Plus, I think that you should have ASKED everyone first. It sounds to me that we aren't a community unless we all wanted to move.
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What do mean The Community has control? I think u mean that u have control now, not Xfir. If the community has control, then what ever desicions u make have to go throug every1 in the community for them to take affect.
Unles u are the community.
So how does it work now?
I do not agree 100% with the decision that was made. I think that as a community we should have decided on this. Also, I think that xfir should be brought back into the loop and allow himself to make a decision for himself. I know this is bothering him and the reason he has a high temper because he has extremely high blood pressure (which not too many people knew). Thats why he dosen't play op2 alot.... If any of you guys had taken the time to actually have a group convo about this we could probably have set up a vote.. And that would have been that.
BTW....favorite line from the log:
(@OPU|Leviathan) MoogleKupoHaX were all for ur ideas and input but not now..
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it2000us we meen what the community wants, it gets.
no control or restraints.
we did it so we can improve and make things better.
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it2000us we meen what the community wants, it gets.
no control or restraints.
we did it so we can improve and make things better.
Well then I missed that poll then. Isn't the Community's decision based on majority rules? And how the heck is this an improvement. It looks like we're fighting among ourselves for power. That in no way is an improvement. (thumbsdown)
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Well, you pissed xfir off. Case closed. If I were there, I would've seen it coming.
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wow this is messed up.
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mustang were no longer fighting. we got what we wanted.
there was no poll for this move, me and hacker did it if u read ^
we hope we can improve in the future, the moveing is an improvment but u think so.
Luweeg it dont make any differce to you, you still have the forum.
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It dosen't make any difference to me?
How do you figure.
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You still have the forum.
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So you're saying it dosen't seem amoral what you guys did to xfir?
He hosted the forums for what 2 years, and as far as I know that costs money. This forum move just reminds me of stealing.
He was running it off his own server, and as far as I know, that gives him the right to do whatever he wants with it.
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I agree. And this does sound like a power struggle to me too. And this does sound like stealing. I personally don't know if I want to go to a forum where this is ALWAYS going to happen. And, I've been here for a very long time, and no told me they were moving this forum. I thought it died because of a KevinAR18 kindof thing. So thanks... really.
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Im sure some people are anoyed at this. And were sorry for that but its just a url change realy? Sorry that people are anoyed but we only had the best intentions in mind. We know what were doing beleive it or not. Its not like we could of told or asked people to move. Otherwise we would have. The forum is the same, we hope for least distruption as possible. And this wont be happening again Drakmar. It clearly was a power struggle and its over now. In our option this had to happen, so we did it. Whats done is done. Lets look ahead and not back.
Any questions or queries?
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The power stuggle between you and Xfir might be over now, but what about when someone tries to do something similar to you? Then this whole thing is going to repeat itself. Plus, I've been here about a long as you, hell I've been at Outpost Congregation and New Haven Command Site also, and I haven't become an Admin. And I will tell you why: Becuase only one person needs to be to repair some problems. You people will just use that to do whatever you want. Think about this, how is this similar to what Killer did?
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You say you did this with the community in mind, but it dosen't seem that there was any need to do this. You say most of it was behind the scenes, henceforth it was a power struggle. Besides Xfir had the right to the data, it was his server, and his money paying for the hosting. Xfir is the only one out of all of you to say he was wrong, and he's kind enough to put the link up.
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Yes, it seems that Dictator Xfir wasn't really much of one. After all, how many dictators do YOU know that admit to being wrong?
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xfir sure wasnt a dictator so i wouldnt joke about it. like i said he didnt give us the freedom we wanted, thats all. he was a good admin im sure, but put his intrests first. and what u looking for here?, from me, to say we shouldnt of done it? we did it for a reason. we have the community intrest in mind.
we could argue forevea :/
as long as u dont leave the community im happy.
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To clear afew things up in this thread.
1 Xfir.net and all sub forums/sites were hosted free by Punboy. X paid $10 a year for the xfir.net domain. ( i think)
2 Yes x put a lot of work into the forums is was his 'baby' and yes maybe it was his right to keep some control, maybe it wasn't that can be argued in many ways but we arn't going to do that. ( note that im not a mod/ admin so im not just saying this for the good of admins/mods it would just look silly us arguing out who is wrong and who is right.)
For most people there wont be much noticable change just the forced loss of one infuential member.
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"You often meet your destiny on the road you've taken to avoid it."
Only a matter of time.
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My favorite buddy Z, long time no see. Where u been?
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Mez. Of course Subdomains were free but he did pay for xfir.net and if he didn't pay well.. Let's say I wouldn't write this.
Further, X had the right not to give much more freedom to admins. Hearing what happened earlier I am sure it's not over yet. There will be more and more power struggles.
I hope I am wrong.
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Remember that xfir's primary purpose of getting the domain was to have his own website. I do remember he told me that once that he wanted to see what it was like to run his own site. I'm sure OP had some influence too but he had his sights set on getting a domain for himself.
And he still can use it for himself and whatever else he needs it for.
Being one of the admins I got to see the bandwidth statistics on the opu subdomains. He made it sound almost as if we were a 'burden' to the operation of his site, that OPU was getting close to overrunning its bandwidth limits every month. That much was true; OPU got dangerously close to the limit.
It almost seemed to me that xfir wanted to get rid of some of the OPU stuff just because it required more resources.
And yes, Mez you are correct. xfir does not pay for the hosting at all, his only cost is the xfir.net domain name, which cost maybe $8-10 a year.
Punboy (who is with us) paid for the hosting. xfir used to not always be running under Punboy (he originally rented his own hosting) but Punboy made the offer only because he was hosting OPU, and Punboy is an avid fan of OPU. So he let xfir have some space and bandwidth for free, and said "you buy the domain." (xfir already owned the domain before that).
He switched to Punboy's hosting probably less than 6 months ago (somebody please correct me if I am wrong).
His total cash input into OPU for those last 6 months? again, nothing more than the cost to transfer and renew the domain. If I were to give a figure I'd estimate it at max. $25 USD.
Now if he still had been paying for his own hosting we probably wouldn't have been able to do this. Punboy hosts us now, and like xfir, we only pay the cost of the outpostuniverse.net domainname.
And yes he had the right not to give more power/freedom etc. but the restrictions he placed on us were excessive. I'll post some logs in a different topic for people to see how he really was.
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All I can say is that this is interesting.
BTW
I don't feel all that well right now; my grandfather just died today so...
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well looks like hacker wants 2 get ppl against xfir.
all i can say is xfirs actions speek louder than words, what he mite of said etc.
as money is a topic should i pay xfir for this years reg of domain or somthing? anyway, im sure he would keep his site up with out us...? it was just his site b4 op forum am i right? hmmm
I hope people will get used to the change.
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Hey i dont mind a change? A new op game would be a nice change, but i dont see that happening.
Just remember, if you say that this change is for the community and we all have a say in this then what ever changes you want to make in the future then you should let the community deside if the change should take place and not just by you.
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we couldnt ask people about this change
we plan on asking community about future changes.
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Thats what i said/ment.
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allrite cool, sure. we hope we can please every1...
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please me!!!! please me!!!! (thumbsup)
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hmm, this is familiar, ahh yes I remember, this is the exact same thing that happoned at killers forums, he origonally thought the same way xfir and lev and hacker thought, a forum for all the people, but over time they become corrupt, and they got taken over and the forums moved to a new place, where the new person promaces that everything will be better, but now time has shown that power, even the small amount of power corrupts, so I am asking, how long till the new people in power lev, and hacker, become corrupt, and somone else takes over?
I think we need to end this visious cycle, im sick of moving, if the cummonity is to stay, we need a solid forum, one that will last as long as op2, can we do that?
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what do u think we made this site for Betaray. Youve found your home.
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Like I said before, a lot of it wasn't visible except to the highest-level people. Most people do agree with our decision to move here, because they have viewed xfir as a threat.
If you don't believe me, come on IRC and ask around.
I hate IRC...only good for when I need to get a game in before a test the next day.
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This is always what we've hoped for, the people who are most involved in OPU having control of the site, not someone who's typically sat on the sidelines and watched. now OPU finally has control.
It will expand to even more, since we want to let the community be involved in important decisions.
Betaray: We hope this is our final home, and that we won't have to move the site ever again, now that we've got it, instead of someone who isn't really interested in keeping OPU alive.
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To clear afew things up in this thread.
1 Xfir.net and all sub forums/sites were hosted free by Punboy. X paid $10 a year for the xfir.net domain. ( i think)
2 Yes x put a lot of work into the forums is was his 'baby' and yes maybe it was his right to keep some control, maybe it wasn't that can be argued in many ways but we arn't going to do that. ( note that im not a mod/ admin so im not just saying this for the good of admins/mods it would just look silly us arguing out who is wrong and who is right.)
For most people there wont be much noticable change just the forced loss of one infuential member.
just to clear things up FURTHER:
when OUF first started out, x was not hosted by punboy, he was paying more money then I I would be willing to for the server space. If yu will remember the 3 times we had to deal with server changes because he was constantly looking for better deals. I don't remember if you were on that night, but I was watching the convo between Punboy and x when they made the deal. It's been far less than a year since then.
As far as I'm concerened, we all should have been happy just to have the forum. Afterall, Sierra *spits on the company* dumped all evidence they could that they ever published this game, the compay that was making OP3 got bought out and the project dumped, and, as a community, we've had a really s***y time with forums (Kevin AR's quitting, the kiler fiasco, competeing comunity forums, ect.)
maybe we all would have been better off if we moved to the abandond gametalk OP2 forum...at least then if there was a problem with the forum moderator(s) it could be taken care of properly by someone who wasn't biased towards one side.
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I think that some new mods should be added.
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What bothers me is that we keep having to go through all of this. It's like a cycle that will never end: One person has control. That person loses control to someone who is working for the "Greater Good". That person becomes worse than his predessesor. And it repeats on and on. It happened with Killer, then Xfir. When will it happen again????
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When enough people get ticked enough at lev and hacker, lol
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Well, I know that. I meant will it take 2 years, 1 year, or is it all ready beginning?? I have been through too much to see the Outpost Community to fall because of a small group of power hungry people! It's happened too many times already! The Outpost Community may not survive another forum collapse!!!!
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that was exactly what I was talking about, we need to find a way to keep even hacker and lev in check, no offence persionally I like you guys, but I have seen it before, over time good guys become corrupt, and have to be ousted, we need a way to stablilize
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nice log
here is mine from that day;
xfirlog.txt (http://www.outpostuniverse.net/files/other/xfirlog.txt)
Howevea Joe it actauly started weeks ago, but the falling out with xfir started months ago.
well we disagreed on stuff and didnt like his control. so we moved it, then he took down all op2 sites and forum
its not xfir's fault, hes not a bad guy, we just wanted control which he wouldnt give.
and thanks a lot to xfir for linking us from from old url to new :D
exactly lev, u wanted all the power and control of the forum.. well, what about when someone takes it from u.. there is a chain of commands and u broke it, therefor, ur rear is fair game.. and u says this is for the benefit of the community, i didn't get to vote b 4 the change happened.. how is it goin to benefit me? and xfir's nice like that, to help u guys and link.. man, u r SO low...
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Right. I like you guys too, but this wasn't done the right way. I think that there should be one other Admin that you don't know the password to, and a few other Global Moderators.
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Well lev and hacker I have to say you guys have acted like some real pricks. X was and still is a good admin whether u 2 want to see it or not. Just b/c u 2 want total controll of everything doesn't mean u have to overthrow an exceptional admin. I don't think u 2 will win this war in the end. (the actual community is against u 2 or at least most of them) This is the biggest load of bull I think I've ever heard in my entire life. (thumbsdown)
On a more positive note: At least all our post numbers will go up now. lol :P
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Yeh, too bad someone had to get backstabbed for it to happen!
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Ok guys lets just chill now. What happened, happend for a reason and theres nothing we can do now. All this talking is just a waste of time now, considering that theres nothing you can do now that we moved. So lets just stop harrasing lev and hacker and move on.
Just wait till something else happens, then you can start voising you'r oppinions again.
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There's nothing else we can do? What about starting a new community?
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the way it happened was probably not the best, but anyways, it happened and we now have to make the best of it.
Any complaints are pointless unless somebody has a real alternative which is supported by enough people. (what do you want? move back to xfir? i doubt, he's still interested; just complain? that will only harm the community)
btw, I'd like to see the advantages, the move gave us. Where are they?
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the fact is we wernt 100% ready to move. as i think you can c from the log (i aint looked at it). i pasted somthing i shouldnt have which made xfir take down the forums. so we moved then. were talkin in team forum about what are first steps will be. also we didnt think we should change anything this first week. so far the advantages are, new url, new site, we have control over domain/reseller account directly so can add sites for people. we got more or less unlimited space and lots of bandwidth now. u can have 1000 pm's on the forums. and right, complaing just makes tensions we dont need.
So what should we do with the forums?
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Leave the forum as it is, dont chaNGE anything.
Dont start comming up with things to change, the forum is fine the way it is.
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Were gonna add a IRC help section thats for sure.
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I think we need a History page with fun facts about Outpost and Op2, With lots more detail. Includeing several interviews Demos and info on the community. Maybe something like a Mission statement would be good? "New levels More Players More Fun"
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Good suggestions as allways from you Haxtor.
That stuff should go on the website, but could be linked from forum.
Anything else for site put in website thread.
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I know some people are going to hate me for saying this, but we should really think about a major forum clean up, dumping anything that is no longer useful. And if people still want to see it, it can be saved and archived on a site.
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Yep does sounds like a good idea. i sure was thinking it also.
Id like to do it after we do any re-arangeing and adding of sections.
Howevea we wont need to, or should have to delete any threads, were find a place for em.
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Re-arranging the Forum!?!?!?!? First you get rid of Xfir and now you want to change everything!?!? Why don't you poll everyone first!
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Drakmar yes we are going to ask people first. Like i said, we wernt 100% ready to move when we did and were talking in the team forum about what we will first post to ask people about. Thanks for the input.
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I have not played op2 for quite some time now, but I have always kept on eye on things in this community. I played with Lev in DO, and also X back in the days on WON. It is truly sad to see the level to which you have sunk, lev and hacker. I personally would like to see you realize that what you did was completely wrong, admit it, apologize to x, and let him have his forum back. Even after he pulled the knife out of his back, he still set up a link to this "new" forum. any of your logs could have been edited to better suit your cause, to make the people here fall more to your favor, to make the community believe what you want them to, "for the good of the community" right? Now hopefully I can coax x back out and start things up again, and make it right. Would appreciate anyone else interested in his return to send out an email to him, letting him know that the community is behind him, minus lev and hacker. Enjoy your forums, may they be your undoing.
Some of the tags I played op2 under,
ElderA.M.
<DO> Shadowed
RedAxen
LastElderOfEden
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Thanks for the input and making your view clear, and thanks for sticking with Oupost 2 over the years. Were sorry to xfir, because hes the one that loseing out here. It's wrong we took the foums off his hands, but we had our reasons which are clear by now.
I find it hard to beleaive any one would suggest we would edit or fabraciate logs, or edivence, your very misinformed. (Joe did edit his log to show some talk over 2 days). We could get logs from several people, if that would satisfy some people, chanches are it wouldnt.
What does it matter where the forum is, if you dont even post regualry or help to keep them active. We may have control over the forums but the community decides what happens from now on, xfir not as head admin truely means total freedom.
And starting a new forum is totaly the wrong way to vent your anger, we dont wish to split people up. We knew this move would annoy people but it should not mean people should leave the community. We want this move to make us stronger, which ultimately it will!
Also read the How We Got So Far thread. Thanks again. We shaken things up but we got forum activity. More to come, in the form of questions from us, soon :D
How about you trust us, give us a chanch and see where it goes?
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It is truly sad to see the level to which you have sunk, lev and hacker.
I keep comparing it to what killer did to us, but, before he cleared out his account here, plym pointed out to me they aren't the same. Still, it was on the same basic platform area.
any of your logs could have been edited to better suit your cause, to make the people here fall more to your favor, to make the community believe what you want them to, "for the good of the community" right?
it's not the case in this instance, I conformed each line of it with xfir.
I personally would like to see you realize that what you did was completely wrong, admit it, apologize to x, and let him have his forum back. Even after he pulled the knife out of his back, he still set up a link to this "new" forum.
they'll just keep saying their favorite line, "It was for the good of the community."
Now hopefully I can coax x back out and start things up again, and make it right. Would appreciate anyone else interested in his return to send out an email to him, letting him know that the community is behind him, minus lev and hacker.
go to xfir's site, and click on the comments thing at the bottom of the newest news item. You will find this:
Comment by: xfir on Mar 23 2005
I'm not entirely sure I want to run it again. I want to take a break from it all for a while to get things sorted out then I will think about it. I'm not going to attempt to hacker or break the forum as it is now, that would be underhanded and irresponsible.
The only real way I would take control of the forum again is if the community itself asks me. ... I would like an apology from Leviathan and Hacker, but the chances of that are slim.
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Edited irc-logs -> :lol:
The forum takeover was probably not the best way to sort out conflicts with xfir (which definetly existed), but how can one even think that Leviathan and Hacker did that only to gain more power? They have done so much for the community and now they wanted to improve it even more.
I doubt, the community would last long without Levi and Hacker. I can't yet say, how long it can last without xfir, but since his role wasn't that essential...
I won't go any further and this is not supposed to justify the latest events, but many of those who don't agree with the forum move, don't really seem to care about Outpost.
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Khm...
I care about Outpost 2, though my time is what makes me hard to do it.
Now. I talked to xfir and also read his thoughts on his site because I for one care about... 'Old members' too.
I now understand what stress he is under, debt, bankrupt. But you guys. You don't. I dunno if you pay for the domain. I don't care. I don't know whose side to be on. Maybe I just leave you for months and think...
Xfir was a good admin... Oh sure he didn't play OP2 bleh... But you can't say that he did NOTHING for the community...
Giving more power to admins would've made more confusion, and maybe another thing like the Kiler thing.
Do not blame xfir. I see and agree his view.
Oh and... ban me if you like it... You just lose another person of the community. Do it to anyone who do see and agree xfir's view, and the half of the community is ruined. Then you won't be better than Kiler.
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We dont want to lose anyone from the community. We sure wont be baning anyone, that goes for xfir too, his account is removed currently but that dosent mean were not gonna let him post here. Yes he was a member of the community, but as TH300 says, his role was not essential. We can live with out him, tho like any member his work is a help to us, he did help with PHP and other stuff.
And how can you have any idea of what we know and dont know? xfir has been under a lot of stress for quite some time. Like i said (i think its in the log people have seen) i would like to leave him in peace.
Keep the posts coming...
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The last part didn't go for you Levi :P
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what exactly do you mean PlayingOP ?
xfir was a good admin to the general public. But they don't know the full story. He actually disallowed us from doing simple stuff like creating forums, etc. to him, his interests > ours.
And no we are not going to ban anyone! If we were to do that then we truly WOULD be ego trip people like Killer was.
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Would you be able to post or allow us to see some of the messages, etc, that shows xfirs actions?
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Would you be able to post or allow us to see some of the messages, etc, that shows xfirs actions?
I would like to see them too
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I was also thinking of adding a new archive section as part of forum clean/sort out. This would be where we can move topics which were in opu team forum. im sure ppl wouldnt mind seeing what we talk about.
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Would you be able to post or allow us to see some of the messages, etc, that shows xfirs actions?
I would like to see them too
I third that.
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Lev,
1. Your "reasons" for taking the forums from x, are in your own interests, regardless of the fact that you think its better, you simply wanted to make changes x wouldn't permit, more than likely for good reason, as others have posted that the forums were fine as is
2. I've seen people fabricate logs before, to inflate their image and assert control, after what has happened here, I wouldn't put it past you two to do that either, as for me being misinformed, I only have the forums to draw my info from, and last time I checked you guys wanted to hear peoples opinions, perhaps you should have specified that you wanted us to worship you from saving us from the terrible admin that wouldn't let you have control.
3. If I don't matter simply because I don't post regularly, what's to say that you believe anyone else is important at all?
4. Starting another forum will solve a few problems, one name lev, the other hacker
5. You knew the move would annoy people, yet you did it in an underhanded way, without consent, and from looking at the posts here, few actually thought it neccessary at all, you could have just started your own, and x would've been more that happy to 1) be rid of you 2) post multiple links so other could follow you over if they desired
6. This move has already and will continue to weaken the community, as you have planted the seeds of distrust among the people you claim to be helping, you've alienated x, and those who knew him, thought well of him or his forum setup.
7. Why do you have forum activity? maybe because of the move and the way things are, not because you're forum is sooooooo much better than before.
8. Anyone with a brain would no longer trust you further than they could throw you.
I hate to be a d**k about this, but I'm so f***ing good at it, and for once, I'm sure people would back me up on this.
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I am still wondering what to do... I agree LastElder.
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LastElderofEden I agree with most of what you said ;)
and you are right a lot of poeple agree with you
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What you should do is stay with the community PlayingOutpost, unless all of a sudden you dont like Outpost 2.
The forum was fine how it was, but it needs changs if we are to expand and move forward.
Can all you do is moan? Not got anything to contribute or suggest to the community?
If we were to leave the community, to start our own forums or anything there would be no major improvments, projects, etc and the community would move along pritty slowly im sure. Me and hacker do the most work for the community.
Dont you apreshiate it? Dont you want a web site or a new OP2 Map Editor for instance ?
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perhaps you see the good from this move we see the cost of it
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Levi. I'll be watching the forums after this move but I can't say anything now. Don't expect anything from me yet. I may change my views but then I would be backstabbing x too...
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The Outpost community is here. We moved it here :blink:
Staying here is not backstabbing xfir in anywany if thats what you mean...
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No. I mean changing my side at this moment would be backstabbing ;)
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What you should do is stay with the community PlayingOutpost, unless all of a sudden you dont like Outpost 2.
The forum was fine how it was, but it needs changs if we are to expand and move forward.
Can all you do is moan? Not got anything to contribute or suggest to the community?
Don't like Outpost??? You are trying to manipulate everyone by saying: If you like OP2, stay here!
And MOAN??? You're upset becuasing we're pissed at you?!?!?!? Oh, I understand, what was I thinking, we should all just put our trust in you and bow down and call you our Ruler right?!?!??!?!?!
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We dont wish to rule, we want to put the power with the community. Were not upset at people being anoyed, we knew people would be.
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But you can always stop harrassing with post ya views...
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... And so can the opposition.
To be honest I'm sick of arguing back and forth between us and the people against us.
We knew it would piss ppl off, we couldn't have done anything to prevent that. However if we let ourselves recover instead of getting into a big debate over who was right, both sides will come out better.
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Yeah, argueing gets us no where.
Also nstead of just moaning at us, how about you give us some input on community issues.
Were asking how you want things done, so tell us. And if you want any more issues posted, pm me.
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Khm. khm. khm. Don't forget you moan too. I mourn for x.
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I'll tell u what I would like done. I would like X to be admin again. Think u can handle that?
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Okay.... Here is what I gather from the situation. The forum move wasn't exectuted swiftly enough and was done in a undermining way. Like Leviathan said he slipped up and paseted something in the wrong section. Thats why xfir too the forum down in the first place. In Xfir really did care and have a passion other than being an admin don't you think that he will already have a forum up? Look, the change happened we are not going back its permanent hopefully. Obviously anything is better if someone who is actually passionate about the game is in charge (and hard to beat at op2). Besides you guys are just to'ed because of the forum change... Most of the people who are mad are mad just because of the sake of being mad. Eventually perhaps you will start a little forum of op2hacker and lev haters.. How long do you actually think that will last? You will trickle away and eventually just stop posting and visiting the forums altogether. I am telling you this in the most honest and sober prose I can. Yeah it sounds harsh but its the truth.
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I wouldn't mind if intemperate and agressive people like shezzah_killah just left.
The reason why I am on Leviathan's and Hacker's side is that the community NEEDS them.
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dude, just showing my view. im leaving now, i cant be f***ed arguing with those assholes who reckon lev and hacker are write. there both backstabbing hypocritical bastards and the "community" wud be betta wth xfir.
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Its a shame you dont know anything killah. The forums will be better with us. For one we care more about Outpost than xfir did. Anyway if your just hear to insult people and moan your not the type of person we want here, we are Outpost forums. Why dont you take part, eh? Thanks.
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Eventually perhaps you will start a little forum of op2hacker and lev haters..
. . . :o That's a good idea.
QUICK TO THE BATMOBILE!
http://..com/ (http://..com/)
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE!?
THEY'VE STARTED CENSORING THE FORUMS, AND YOU CAN'T START NEW POSTS!
it's 1984 all over again
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All new topics in this forum must be approved by a moderator before they will actually be posted.
You can start new topics anywhere else.
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Luweeg64 u make me laugh, cuz i find you immature.
You should read all the threads, like the Welcome thread of this section, it says if you want a topic added, pm me.
Or you can start a new topic in this section and wait till a mod allows it to show up.
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You're still censoring the forums, can't show the
op1.suddenlaunch.com
site without it blocking it?
Why would that be Lev, why is there an autoscript to block it?
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Take a guess. Im sure your gess will be right.
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You're a dictator?
(http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks2.jpg)
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Its stupid to use a different forum when we have this one.
Outpost r old games and we should stick 2 gether in one place, one forum, site etc.
How about you dont post pics of kids? Made me laugh tho.
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(http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/misc15.jpg)
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You wish i was a dictator.
You realy do have the wrong idea about me and hacker :(
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I know hacker gets paranoid easily :D
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A little too easy :unsure:. Those pics are really funny. (i like how he uses the messages on his pics as the message of his posts) :P
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Is it true that you have to get "permission" to create new topics here now? AND you can't post the
op1.suddenlaunch.com
site now? I thought that you were trying to prove that you were trustworthy. Censoring the Senior Members isn't a trustworthy thing to do now is it????
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ALL I CAN SAY IS WTF , SEE I SHOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN 3 JOBS WITHOUT SOMETHING F****** UP , I ALMOST HAD A HEART ATTACK CAME CLOSE TO IT , I AM HAPPY THAT THE FORM IS STILL ON THE WEB AND NOT JUNKED , HOWEVER I AM NOT HAPPY HOW U JAKED THE FORM AWAY FROM XFIR I AM SURE THERE WOULD HAVE RESOLVED PEACEFULY WITHOUT A HOSTLE TAKEOVER, I DO NOT KNOW THE FULL STORY ON EXACTUALLY WHAT OCCURED TO THIS CHILDISH NONSENSE BUT I WISH THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN , AND CUT THE CRAP WITH THE CENSORING ? I BELIVE THATS WHY U JAKED THE FORUM. ok i am alright now i just needed to get that off my chest i have done my out burst i feel better.
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Right selfdestruct you dont know the whole story.
Great to see you back on the forums, and back with us :D
Cya on IRC soon.
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Take new topics off moderation, then can always be editted or deleted or removed as long as there is a decent reason.
Even better have read only thread etc which lists why different posts/threads have been ediited / deleted then no one can complain about censorship.
3 Dont sensor other peoples websites unless it is inappropriate (i.e. offensive or p0rn)
If there is another op forum why can't ppl use it as well. I seem to remeber you posting on the PA's forum about this one and trying to get them to sign up so why not 1/2 SMALL advertisements about another op forum.
If you want to do good for the 'community' then let it expand, 2 forums is better than 1 if ppl post in both.
Theres my thoughts nyway
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I agree. And I would like to note that Lev DID fix the web address on mine so that it's readable now. Maybe we can get along and learn to trust each other again. But it will take TIME. So, why don't you invite Xfir back as a GM, to try to make peace. What you did was wrong, but at least you could appologize.
That's all I have to say right now.
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1 forum is much better than more than 1, were a small group of people.
I got baned from the PA forum from allways telling them to go on IRC and come to this forum and shut down there forum. There forum is down now :)