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Off Topic => General Interest => Topic started by: Sirbomber on May 12, 2004, 08:24:57 PM

Title: Outrage!
Post by: Sirbomber on May 12, 2004, 08:24:57 PM
Go here, read it a bit, and then check the bottom.  (thumbsdown)

http://www.cheatcc.com/pc/sg/outpost_2.txt (http://www.cheatcc.com/pc/sg/outpost_2.txt)

Does it look like anything you've ever seen before?

The Eden & Plymouth Strategy Guides THAT SIERRA WROTE! AND HE TOOK CREDIT FOR THEM!  :angry:

I say we all write to the website telling them to remove it and the author telling him not to steal other's work.
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Post by: Sammyk on May 12, 2004, 09:45:26 PM
thats not cool
 
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Post by: plymoth45 on May 12, 2004, 10:23:18 PM
Unless he is a seirra worker, HE SHOULD BE TORTERED TILL DEATH! Maybe i'm over reacting. But seirra has copyright on those documents, not that idiot.
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Post by: xfir on May 12, 2004, 10:26:15 PM
Is it word for word the same thing? If it is, then you can take action, else you can't do a thing unless he quotes Sierra as the original author.
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Post by: CK9 on May 12, 2004, 11:02:01 PM
isn't there a program that can check that?
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Post by: zeritou on May 13, 2004, 08:33:03 AM
okay so now i need alink to a spot where i can complain.  

could we call the us copyright office about this?
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Post by: CK9 on May 13, 2004, 08:35:02 AM
I carefully looked over the two and sent an email to cheatcc to let them know
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Post by: Phantom on May 13, 2004, 06:39:16 PM
Dude, that guy (If he did steel the strategy guide word for word) could find himself in a ton of trouble if Sierra finds out. He would undoubtedly get huge fines. The bright side is that Sierra would make more money on something op2 related. lol!.
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Post by: Sammyk on May 13, 2004, 07:55:16 PM
hahaha yep
 :P  
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Post by: plymoth45 on May 13, 2004, 09:58:08 PM
maybe if we do enough for them, they might embrace OP2 again, but then again, we might have to stick to the raid plan.
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Post by: CK9 on May 13, 2004, 11:21:19 PM
Beta's got the EMP under development, and we could use some C-4...
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Post by: Kiith Somtaaw on May 13, 2004, 11:38:46 PM
It's a Walkthrough, telling how to complete the game *(duh)*



If Sierra did make one like this I haven't seen It.




 
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Post by: mustang09-06 on May 16, 2004, 07:32:41 PM
Watch Sierra won't care cause OP2 is too old.  so they won't do anything.   I can get some hunting guns BTW for the raid plan.  mostly 30 ot 6s.  (I a serious red-neck ain't i)
lol


not cool  :angry:  
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Post by: CK9 on May 17, 2004, 08:12:12 PM
kiith, have you looked on the CD?
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Post by: plymoth45 on May 25, 2004, 09:41:06 AM
I already have a good 30 06, and I could use it as a sniper, pick off some employies at a distance while you guys go in there and get the OP2 stuff.
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Post by: Arklon on May 27, 2004, 07:36:17 AM
If they don't care, then they obviously have no reason to keep OP2 rights.
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Post by: Phantom on May 27, 2004, 08:15:37 PM
I have a .22, a 30 06, 12-Gauge, Katana, Claymore, and 6-Shooter I can contribute. lol.
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Post by: Betaray on May 27, 2004, 08:23:13 PM
howd you get a claymore? a gunshow or somthing?

I have a 30 06 with over 300 rounds for it, a 12 gauge overunder and side by side 2 12 gauge pumps, 2 AR-15's with over 3000 rounds between them, a Garrand, a Springfield (forget wich model) man handguns (sry no lugers, those things are very hard to find) among others

plus in my basement I have an exparamental directional EMP and microwave weppon (although currently the tesilia coils that power it are very bulky and not easily transportable) as well as being able to get ahold of significant amounts of CL-20 (at least enough to desamat a small city)

who's the redneck now lol
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Post by: CK9 on May 27, 2004, 08:24:30 PM
I have a 33lb pull recurve that I can hit my target with...
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Post by: Zircon on May 28, 2004, 01:49:59 AM
Im starting to get tired of that "EMP"...

A true electromagnetic pulse can only be found in for example the explosion of an atomic bomb. If you were to in theory try to trigger an EMP you wouldn't get near anything if you used all the power running through new york city (even if running it through a tesla coil that generally becomes useless after a certain amount of discharges). Nonetheless be able to direct it.

It all depends on what you would call an EMP however, if you were to simply extract the magnetron tube (microwave, high voltage system) and plug it into a high energy source taking precautions that the user is properly shielded you could create a "weapon" capable of destroying computers, etc in not much time at all by creating induction in the relatively weak transistors which is a relatively easy process.
It would however also cook any living organisms in the vicinity.
It would also be difficult to shield the user as radiowaves naturally bounce of objects.

The US/UK military are about to begin using a "low energy" (high energy, low burst, whatever you prefer) version of it, it effectively heats the skin of approaching "mobs" making the nerves react but without making any physical damage. It is called the Vehicle Mounted Active Denial System (VMADS)

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Active Denial Technology uses a transmitter to send a narrow beam of 95-GHz millimeter waves towards an identified subject. Traveling at the speed of light, the energy reaches the subject and penetrates less than 1/64 of an inch into the skin, quickly heating up the skin's surface. The 95-GHz energy penetrates 1/64 inch into the skin and produces an intense burning sensation that stops when the transmitter is switched off or when the individual moves out of the beam. Within seconds, an individual feels an intense heating sensation that stops when the transmitter is shut off or when the individual moves out of the beam. According to reports, a 2-second burst from the system can heat the skin to a temperature of 130° F. At 50 °C, the pain reflex makes people pull away automatically in less than a second. Someone would have to stay in the beam for 250 seconds before it burnt the skin,
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Sorry :blush: Im not in a very good mood... St. Elmo's Fire is very beatiful to look at... (im not saying that you dont have a microwave weapon or a couple of tesla coils, all im saying is, please try to stay on this planet because a homemade (real) EMP is nothing more then a dream)
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Post by: Phantom on May 28, 2004, 01:57:46 PM
I meant a Claymore Sword lol. I got confused when I first heard that term also lol.
A claymore mine would be an awesome thing to have though.

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The US/UK military are about to begin using a "low energy" (high energy, low burst, whatever you prefer) version of it, it effectively heats the skin of approaching "mobs" making the nerves react but without making any physical damage. It is called the Vehicle Mounted Active Denial System (VMADS)

I think they also reffered to it as a microwave prototype. But I could be wrong..
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Post by: CK9 on May 28, 2004, 05:33:43 PM
what about an electric pole transformer overload?
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Post by: Zircon on May 29, 2004, 04:36:52 AM
It would certainly shortcircuit everything in the surrounding area, but the range would be limited and houses often have protection against power surges.

True EMP has no effect on organic matter, that's why the military wants it.
If a city is being a pain and needs to be neutralised but without civilian casualties, *drops bomb* wheee *Small Boom* a house gets an entry hole and a small blast then the entire city and more blacks out. Watches, computers, cars, power everything... (that is ofcourse as long as the electronics arent properly shielded, but due to its broad spectrum it is hard to shield objects)

Without any harmful effect on the people.

But as it is today, you can only create such a wave by an atomic bomb (not really true, but building one in someones basement is impossible). And an atomic bomb has other side-effects  :rolleyes:

Today it exists HPM's (High Power Microwave) which are basicly the thing mentioned on the first page.
It launches, it hits, and the strong currents flowing through everything gets roast, the side effect is that this "microwave" also effects organic matter so you'll have a city with roasted people all over the place which is not... good... :blush:
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Post by: CK9 on May 29, 2004, 12:15:55 PM
I thought it was the shiockwave of the atomic blast that disabled things neding electricity (well, it destroys them, hehehe)
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Post by: plymoth45 on May 29, 2004, 12:50:58 PM
hmm, has anyone watch that documentary on the 2 bombs that we dropped on japan?
they are quite interesting.
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Post by: CK9 on May 29, 2004, 01:11:56 PM
burnt a man's shadow into a barn wall...well, what was left of it...
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Post by: Betaray on May 29, 2004, 04:24:15 PM
well the thing I designed wouldn't be a true EMp, in the effect that it is not a pulse, what it is, is basicly a high voltage short daration ion/magnetic beam, it is directed by low voltage magnets that confines the ion beam for so far a range of about 5 feet (im not using very efficant electromagnets), but it has been able to disrupt small electronic things like clocks and cd players, I must say, it does have an effect on humans though, it gives me a scary tingling feeling every time I try to charge it, of corse ive only tested it 5 times, those telisla coils burn out very easily (expecially if they are home made, not teh best quality lol)

btw, it really heats up the basement
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Post by: Zircon on May 29, 2004, 04:39:07 PM
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disrupt small electronic things like clocks and cd players

Doesn't it short them out? The microprocessor in the cd player must take some damage yes?

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it does have an effect on humans though, it gives me a scary tingling feeling every time I try to charge it

Wouldn't that be the charging process and not the pulse itself?
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Post by: Betaray on May 29, 2004, 04:42:41 PM
most likely, and yes, it does effect them, its still low power and the ion clowd diffuses rapidly, I was testing this out on a broken cd player, it wouldnt play cd's, but it would turn on, and after I tested this out on it, i couldnt even turn it on

and intresting thing is, it also made the battories explode
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Post by: Zircon on May 29, 2004, 04:57:49 PM
Interesting yes...

It seems i'll have to withdraw my mean rant until i can read up on it... :Betaray:  
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Post by: plymoth45 on May 29, 2004, 05:26:36 PM
actually, every shadow that was around there was burnt into cement and other things.
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Post by: CK9 on May 29, 2004, 07:11:26 PM
And then there were many people melted
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Post by: Betaray on May 31, 2004, 04:10:03 PM
ok im confused
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Post by: Sirbomber on May 31, 2004, 04:54:45 PM
Um, I don't mean to be rude or anything, but I really don't think this has much to do with stolen documents...
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Post by: CK9 on May 31, 2004, 05:17:39 PM
that's like saying it rains in Seattle
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Post by: Betaray on May 31, 2004, 06:11:50 PM
where I was born, well I think it went from stolen documents and people getting mad, to people talking about the wepponds they will use to get even, to me and z talking about an ion gun

I say, if you can make a logical connection to what the beginning topic is and what we are talking about now, than its still on topic

man, I love dumb logic lol
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Post by: zeritou on May 31, 2004, 07:32:40 PM
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I already have a good 30 06, and I could use it as a sniper, pick off some employies at a distance while you guys go in there and get the OP2 stuff.

phantom:

I have a .22, a 30 06, 12-Gauge, Katana, Claymore, and 6-Shooter I can contribute. lol.
i have a dull axe and a cheese knife......
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Post by: CK9 on May 31, 2004, 11:04:48 PM
that reminds me, Zircon, we need to resurect Mr. Cheese *evil Grin*
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Post by: Punboy on May 31, 2004, 11:16:38 PM
pfft, i can make an EMP. A directional and omni-directional. Not very mobile though... *shrug*

Basically a bunch of tesla coils overloading, causing a spark to jump to a hunk of dynamite, blowing the dynamite and blowing the tesla coils, creating an EMF, which is then pushed along by the dynamite explosion. The explosives dont have to be big... and it could be charged by hooking into powerlines lol
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Post by: CK9 on May 31, 2004, 11:51:14 PM
And with the materials at my dad's work, I could probably make one that isn't so instable...
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Post by: xfir on June 01, 2004, 12:43:16 AM
This somehow relates to a copied strategy guide... hmm... okay, right.
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Post by: Zircon on June 01, 2004, 03:16:07 AM
Strategy guide...  :whistle:

No use letting the thread die :heh:

I read up on it.

Conclusion: The entire thing with an EMP seems to contain such a big area, or has rather had a lot of areas added to it.

Now many may discuss what is and what isnt a true EMP, but from what i could gather i would call a true EMP something that goes like this...

In an atomic blast there is a huge amount of gamma radiation (energy) the gamma rays hit or irradiate electrons which give them a very high energy value.

This supercharged energy (electrons) value has no effect on living tissue unless it is projected against someone at very high dosages. (in other words the EMP itself in an atomic blast doesn't effect living tissue) The highenergy electrons heat components to the melting point so that they break.

What betaray described (built) charges the electrons but not enough, it is powerful enough to fry components but the range is limited and the effect is rather small compared to the real thing. This is due to the lack of intense gamma radiation.

In conclusion betarays invention that is pretty cool which i didn't know could work like that mimics an EMP but isn't (a real) one  :Betaray: . As usual however people might disagree on that point. Still it's very cool building something that fry's components, i wouldn't use it on my head though as it is "unpure".

Also, creating a true EMP (in atleast a basement) is impossible as you need a nuclear blast to reach enough gamma radiation.

As for punboys last statement i'll just raise an eyebrow because in short he just wired a bit of tnt to a tesla coil and made it blow up :blink:

Repeat: That is only my view of a true EMP, people will continue calling different things EMP, and im not saying i am necessarily correct labelling an EMP as electrons charged by gamma radiation. Also, it's called a pulse because it is just that, the emp hardly takes a nanosecond. After that the gamma radiation has lost part or "dimminished" in power.  
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Post by: CK9 on June 01, 2004, 08:43:13 AM
and the smiley with a tail has to do with what part of that exactally?
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Post by: plymoth45 on June 01, 2004, 09:22:09 AM
Well, beta only needs to find something else to charge the thing. Say...... Break into a nuclear Power Plant?
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Post by: Zircon on June 01, 2004, 10:16:41 AM
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and the smiley with a tail has to do with what part of that exactally?
Edited the message with the tail.

*cough* i dunno what you're talking about  :D  
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Post by: CK9 on June 01, 2004, 03:12:50 PM
maby these photos will jog your memory of what the topic is...
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Post by: Betaray on June 02, 2004, 07:27:36 AM
well, I know how to make it more powerfull, all I have to do is get more effecant magnets to contain the ion cloud, than it will have a better range and be more powerful, later on I intend to shrink the system so it can be built into the turret of a wepponds chassis (it would be built as a dish around the microwave emitter, and both wepponds would share the same power supply)

that way you would have the capeability to destroy things stelthly (because microwave is invisible and the system wouldnt produce near the sound of a cannon) and at relativly close ranges (<200 yrd) you would be able to disable/destroy electronic equipment

now for the chassis, I beleave another person on the forum is building that