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Community => Feedback/Suggestions/Problems => Topic started by: Freeza-CII on January 22, 2007, 06:29:45 PM
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Ok after a while of thinking I have come to the decision to leave opu. But before I go I just want to say a few things for every one to see and read And i warn you it may not be nice.
First of all OP3. Folks its not going to happen but then you all already know that. EXCEPT for the fools in the Genesis threads trying to make OP3 into C&C. You all think your being original but your not you want to rehash crap from other games because I LOVED THAT GAME or IT WAS COOL IN THAT GAME. Well if you love it go play that f***ing game and let Genesis be some thing different not a amalgum of your festering love dump for other games.
Also We have Stormy zanco th300 tramis and gamersCD working on genesis. there always hiding important info from people because of unwarnanted paranoia. There excuse (which they ALWAYS seem to have one) is that,
1. Leeors computer is down and fryed
2. Th300 is going to uni
3. Stormy himself is busy with school.
And gamerscd and tramis are most likely having there hand held by stomy so they can use that s*** fest blender. And now Here are my thoughts on this.
1. I think leeor gave up because its been like 2 months since his computer fryed how long would it take you to have a working computer?
2. Th300 is going to a uni i dont know how busy that is.
3. Stormy your a f***ing freshman i believe there is no way in hell you have a workload that heavy that it keeps you from doing some of the stuff you need to do on the forums.
4. Almost every one involved with genesis development is hiding or never shows up on irc.
5. Leeor PEOPLE TALK BEHIND YOUR BACK NO MATTER WHAT. Running away from irc because people were being considerate and not trying to piss you off is just BS.
6. Stormy work on your modeling. I cranked s*** out in milk shape that owned you.
Fernisuls Game ( I wont leave prisoners) Ya the guy has talent in modeling but I think he is only speaking half truths and has a alterial motive to just make some money.
OP3 TFC I dont think this game will get done either. It just doesnt have the people. Its got the talent but not the time or the people. Now ill direct my attention to some where else.
Levi you suck you came so close to getting gline for life and the site and irc moved to another domain because of your crap that you pull. Spamming people on IRC to post Spamming people on IM programs. spamming people on the forums to get on IRC. Setting up the download links on other sites even tho that brings unwanted attention. Basicly having the domain and people that would rather talk about canning you is the only thing that kept you in the community.
HACKER your a decent Op you code good you did some good stuff for op2 people should kiss your ass a little. Have to give hooman some credit he was coding to.
Mez your a quiet one.
Horus You can ass people out with the best. How ever No one likes you lol i am sure your aware. That brings me to other people.
Tellaris Starfox Play the f***ing game and have fun for f*** sake after each game you two bicker worse then old ladies.
Arklon your a f***ing spoiled brat grow the f*** up. Horus was doing a good job till you started to spy on him and reported every thing he did to other people to try to prove your BULL s*** theroy that horus is CORRUPT and is Making the other OPS dance like puppets. You have no f***ing clue noob.
Sirbomber dont listen to arklon he is a noob i think you let him get you fired up a few times but your alright.
MCSHAY Keep up the excellent work just dont do any thing for arklon any more because you know he is going to bug you to make it so he can win with ease. Make maps that every one will enjoy. and AUTOTRUCKS hehehe.
Moogle is still a noob.
Edencommander is to young.
Ninjablade or what ever alias he is using is a Crack pot. There isnt any investigation in to OPU if there was Lawyers would have been in contact with the hosting you moron. They would have seen that we were moding and handing out a licenced game almost instantly. So your a noob to for your crack pot Investigation. There is some thing wrong with you and you need to get help. Oh ya i know your not 41 unless your mentally f***ed.
There are alot of you out there and most of you think that the admin work for you not true the admins work for opu your just a f***ing guess and maybe there would be less crap if you all would stop doing dick things. Like calling attention to grammar and spelling that makes you a dick. Telling the admins what to do and how to do it. Trying to say that you want democracy type admins where the community has a say. You do have a say just try to make it sound like your not tell some one how to do there job. But as for admining ITS A f***ING DICTATOR SHIP. This is the internet not a f***ing country. The admins dont explain themselfs or have to warn you about any thing. DONT ASK THEM TO. You people should have enough maturity to know what is wrong or right. Some god damn common sence wouldnt hurt you people either.
I wont say its been a blast because of all the recent crap it hasnt.
Hacker ill leave the bot comp up so you can remove the bot.
Edit: Ive spaced out all of Freeza's comments to make it more readable, I have not changed any of Freeza's coments. Mez
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Geeze dude. I'm sorry you're leaving. If it makes you feel any better, I'd be willing to start working on another gaming project that is RTS in nature but open-ended so you have somewhere to vent your creative juices.
Yeah, I suppose people are going to suggest things that are in other games. You can blast me all you want because I know I've suggested things from other games. It's not a matter of making OP3 (or whatever) like C&C. It's more of "This was cool. What about it?" You don't have to go off high order every time someone suggests a new satellite.
And if we're going to crap on ideas because they're not OPish, then we really need to put up in the forums that "OP3 is going to be exactly like OP2, only in 3D". So people won't come up with new suggestions.
The bottom line with all of that is that new people join and post similar suggestions. There is no list of "Ideas not being implimented." or "Ideas were going to consider." I cited this the day I joined.
You go and call everyone a dick or whatever, but you blast noobs too. Nobody is perfect and we've all done crappy work. It's just a matter of cooling off and coming back with ideas. Not finger pointing. Leave if you want, but you can do it gracefully instead of flaming everyone for flaming eachother.
(Yeah, I know. I can go f*** myself.) See ya...
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Hey, I think I got off pretty good!
Though really freeza, this probobly isn't such a bad thing. It never hurts to step away from IRC occasionally (Why sometimes I ignore it completely, even though I am present). I hope it provides you a cool down period, and I hope to see you back some day. I hate to see ya go. Though white claw does have a bit of a point, despite it being something flamey back.
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I understand that from time to time things can happen and these things can make people mad, but is it a good reason to blame an entire community?
I mean Freeza-CII, not that I am your conscious or anything, your behavior surprises me. People are different, people do stuff different, people piss other people off, but can you change that? No you can't! this how they are, this is what makes the world. OP2 just happens to have these kind of people inside of it. Is it a valuable reason to blame an entire community? No.
Even you tried to be fair by praising other work, but who are you to do so? OP2 Judge? I don't think. You are behaving as "bastardly" as ZigZagJoe in his bastard days.
I just picked up a line in your post. You said that fewer and fewer games were played. Do you know why this happens? Well, it is because "older" members don't play the game! Let me take an example, You, DM-Horus, Levi, etc... well, if you want games to be played, play them first, don't expect other people to do so for you. When I want some actions, I call people to play, almost everyone knows the StarFlareMaster. And even I get PWNED 95.22% of the time, I do play. I used to play you even when you had dial-up, but now, with your fast connection, I hardly see you play.
And yeah, about 20% of your post was about OP3:Genesis and the members of OP3. You want news? you want the entire story? you want to have access to the work, then fine! you will have (There goes our next newsletter) -- and anyone who wants access can send me an email to zanco@op3game.net . The main reason it is kept this way is not because Leeor computer died or he ran away, it is because we need something to base our work on. And even if it has taken a long time, well, it has. We have other stuff to do!
I am going to take a quick example, take a look at the genesis forum here. How many crazy ideas have you seen? how many unordered ideas do you see? ... a lot right? Even amongst the four us, agreeing upon something is a problem. Just imagine the total chaos if anyone could without a good method add his/her OP3 touch to it. Because we do not want that to happen at the early stage of the project and/or the story, we do it amongst us first, and then you guys can take it from there. You feel left out? Well, I am sorry about that. And once more, we are not Sony, nor Microsoft, we are just members of OP2, and yes we are slow.
And if people want to make games, let them do so. If they give up in the middle well, that's their problems. Now, it is up to you to be WISE and see what to believe and what not. Even so, is it a fair reason to crush the hope, the desire of people wanted to start a game? Hell NO! We are humans, we live by hoping! Maybe because you didn't hope strong enough for an op3 game or wished strong enough that none has come yet. I believe there will be a one. Just look at my posts, my very first post referred to building a game together. You think I would have given up on that idea? No.
Leeor PEOPLE TALK BEHIND YOUR BACK NO MATTER WHAT. Running away from irc because people were being considerate and not trying to piss you off is just BS
This is really "wise" for someone who is about to do so.
Horus You can ass people out with the best. How ever No one likes you lol i am sure your aware
That's true, I have told him the very first time I talked to him that I don't like the "tone" of his writing. But now, we seem to be cool
I mean why would you f***ing quite because some people are f***ed up? this is just Immature.
One last thing. If you see me writing all that, me who doesn't usually answer to post but read them, it is because I believe you are a valuable member AND a good friend of mine. We met on OP2, so don't be a childish adult and stay.
Oh yeah, what the devil do you guys have against stormy? is it because he takes time to answer you?
Edit: This is also why I do not want to be an admin, either in the op2 forum or on irc (for op3, you made me, I didn't ask for it). When you make people become admin, they change a lot. DM-Horus stopped whatever he was doing when he got his Op status, Freeza-CII stopped playing and now wants to leave (The same scenario happened with ZigZagJoe) etc... etc...
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uhg! too long to read...anyone willing to summarise?
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Zanco: Youre talking about alot of things you dont understand. Something to remember is that freeza might be ranting about things you havent been let in one. Alot of it has to do with events you werent let in on or just havent heard of or are amongst the admin community. Also, its the continuous trend that matters. If it becomes obvious that theres no hope and things continue on a downward slope can you blame someone for leaving? I agree with alot of what Freeza said.
CK9: Youll just have to read. Freeza's comments /were/ summaries but he just made alot of them.
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Freeza you are a harsh man tongue.gif The genesis people are doing great work and anyone who is willing to do work for the community should never be told that they are worthless.
Thx for a amusing read.
But I have to say I did regret you being a admin as you have never done much work.
As for my spamming, you clearly don't like it. But I just want the community to grow and ill do whatever it takes for that to happen. I'm sure you can at least see where I'm coming from and why I do it.
Sorry to see you leave. Always sorry to lose members.
I hope we can sort out any problems people feel we have and continue to improve the community.
Extinction is not an option :D
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lol - what else to say?
No really, Freeza has a point and he said it. YES, there is corruption here
YES, flaming is present here all the time
But what is the point, you guys are now begging and begging Freeza not to leave
This is the internet not a f***ing country
Hell yeah
Everybody has free will, to come or leave, like Freeza, he can stay or leave OPU.
Yeah it's true. Some people are s***, they think they are smart and they do more than everyone, While others work their a** out, and no one notices them?! Hell
Like calling attention to grammar and spelling that makes you a dick.
Hell Yeah, and not to forget about some acronyms that you must know or else you are a di**.
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Savant, you are so far out of the loop you shouldnt even be commenting on this subject. Youve added nothing to this discussion.
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Everyone is entitled post.
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As a comment to the non admin's of the OPU comunity, and to stop anymore of Savant like comments.
If you notice, most of the comments were directed to individuals. Some or all of which you won't have heard or know about as they were admin/private conversations.
Don't judge what Frezza has said by what you have seen on IRC and on the forums, but feel free to leave a comment.
Theres no need to start a flamewar over one persons opinions or what he/she saw/heard.
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hmm... having a hard time deciding how much of Freeza's post is complete bulls***. Somewhere between 60% to 80%
Why are you so p***ed off about what the OP3 team is doing? What the hell is the point in flaming them? They may be a bit secretive, and not everything they come out with is fantastic. But atleast they have the guts to undertake such a project! And I point out again, IT IS THEIR PROJECT, if they keep it secretive or make it open to the community is their decision. If it's the OP2 sequel of your dreams or not is up to them! ffs, how about you stop whining and start your own project?
Fenrisul doesn't deserve more flaming either, try backing up your claims with something that has even a little hint of truth! He got f***ing banned because an admin decided to hate him and wanted him removed. Leave the guy alone ffs!
As for democracy, the community in it's current form was founded on the promise that the community would be in charge! And as long as this place is stuck with dictator admins like you, it is going to be crap and go further down that downwards slope horus keeps talking about. I meant it when I said we might aswell go back to xfir! Because it is no better with you guys running the show.
Levi spams, that's no secret. Atleast he cares!
I have to agree with you on one point tho, hacker deserves some ass kissing!
Anyway, despite the fact that I disagree with you almost completely, I'm still sorry to see you leave. Altho I do consider this a cowardly way of leaving, just throw a grenade and run away...
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hmm... having a hard time deciding how much of Freeza's post is complete bulls***. Somewhere between 60% to 80%
100% (near enough) completly true in my opinion (as in not bulls*** at all)
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Yeah I dunno what Sl0vi is trying to do because he knows nothing about anything Freeza discussed. Again, most of you are completely out of the loop. Trying to judge his comments based on what someone else told you or what you know nothing about is pointless.
Sl0vi, I can see you tried to talk about something you know a little bit about - Fenrisul - but even that is skewed. The fact is, all the admins decided fenris should be banned. Hacker let me ban him because I was a new admin and hadnt done a ban before and thought learning the process would be useful. Later, he claimed he knew nothing about the ban and let me take the blame from the hordes of ignorant fanboys which is exactly why freeza brought it up. Its got less to do with fenris and more to do with half-truths and apathy on the part of the other admins. So there, its done lets put it to rest and get back to the overall issues Freeza is discussing:
ITS NOT EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM FREEZA TALKED ABOUT, ITS ALL OF THEM PUT TOGETHER THAT FORMS AN ENVIRONMENT OF HOPELESS DECLINE.
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Well, I think it's wrong to claim that I'm responsible for allowing a ban to occur. A few of us (myself, Lev, Freeza, and Horus) discussed this and Horus gave us some logs. At the time the general concensus was that there was a pretty compelling reason for it. I will say I was originally for the ban.
After we looked over all of the logs (we did not have all of the logs at the time of the ban) we decided to unban him because it seemed less like a community wide issue and more like a personal issue between Horus and Fenrisul. After seeing all the logs I decided to change my opinion, as did some of the others and the majority of the mods/admins decided to unban him.
In any case it doesnt really matter that much, Fenrisul isn't banned, and the Fenrisul blunder has little to do with the matter at hand.
I can agree with some of what Freeza says. Specifically the things regarding people fighting in IRC over the outcome of an OP2 game, its just a game after all. Have fun, don't need to bicker over the outcome. I agree with the grammar thing as well -- who cares if someone is using poor grammar? As long as you can understand what they're trying to say, there should be no problem. If you can't understand, kindly ask for clarification. Remember that some people don't speak English as their primary language.
As far as the comments on OP3 and such are concerned I am kinda surprised that Freeza came out and said that. I think there are more than a few people who were offended by those comments. Sure, I'm not expecting Genesis to be released any time soon because of the various difficulties and the fact that the different people involved are busy, but (personally) I don't think it's appropriate to state your opinion that way.
I think it's important to be honest and frank about your opinion but you should avoid offending people.
Anyways, farewell Freeza-CII. Good luck to you.
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Short and sweet:
Dear God. This seems to happen about every three months.
As I said last time. Everyone needs to realize that this is written word. Most of the time, the writing doesn't actually convey what the person meant.
Anyhow, yeah, my post was probably flamey. Why? For what I just mentioned above. That's how it get's read wether I ment it or not.
Please, everyone. Stop pointing fingers! Stop crapping on everyone. As a software engineer, I completely back the OP3 design process, though I do wish we were privy to more information (but not necessarily allowed direct input). You do need to keep a reign on that stuff until it's time.
Until it's time, let dudes post their anti-matter reactors and uber-atomic artillery. It's by fostering ideas that they are created. Brainstorming is exactly that, filtering comes later. Who want's to post when all they ever hear "Man, that's dumb. It has no place in the Outpost universe." or "It'll get spammed to high hell."
Let Freeza take his break from the forums. He just needed to vent. When he's ready, I hope he comes back.
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Agreed. Venting is alright, but inevitably people are going to get upset.
Emotion / inflection is pretty difficult to convey in an internet posting. Thus it's hard to tell how serious the speaker is.
I do know Freeza has been struggling with the idea of leaving for a little while. I can understand where a lot of his frustration comes from, hopefully he will come back after he's had a break from OPU in general.
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I dont think alot of people fully appreciate what being an admin means. Its not just having ~ and its not just idling in the chan. imo even levi has been slacking out of most of his admin responsibilities and lacks a real appreciation for what we do. I cant even tell you the number of fires we have to put out everyday, we have to make sure we are all in consensus and that we arent stepping on anyones toes, let alone the actual work required to take care of those situations, then we have to worry about what "people might think" even those who have no reason to care. I know it is the goal of most of the admins to remove the totally pointless politics from the equation to make our jobs easier. Not having our decisions constantly questioned or having to explain ourselves to people who have been misinformed or jump to conclusions would make things much simpler, but it seems that will never happen and is infact getting worse over time. Some of the admins are getting even more lax by letting people get away with more because it simply takes too much to keep up on them. Freeza gets alot of his negative feelings from that, im sure.
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imo even levi has been slacking out of most of his admin responsibilities
I somewhat agree, but when I'm on IRC I always help newbies to get setup etc but that should be expected of all members! And I though most stuff happened in admin forum anyway. Anyway Im happy to step down as I'm inactive. But if you don't tell me there is a problem I wont know so thanks for bringing it up.
I defo agree with hacker. We all know that genesis wont be completed for some time. Does that make it any less great that its being worked on? No and the same for any project. We would not be much with out people working on projects and helping out.
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Savant, you are so far out of the loop you shouldnt even be commenting on this subject. Youve added nothing to this discussion.
Thank you, but this is not about me.
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If that is gonna make you happy, please feel free to delete my posts in this thread.
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Yeah I dunno what Sl0vi is trying to do because he knows nothing about anything Freeza discussed. Again, most of you are completely out of the loop. Trying to judge his comments based on what someone else told you or what you know nothing about is pointless.
Sl0vi, I can see you tried to talk about something you know a little bit about - Fenrisul - but even that is skewed. The fact is, all the admins decided fenris should be banned. Hacker let me ban him because I was a new admin and hadnt done a ban before and thought learning the process would be useful. Later, he claimed he knew nothing about the ban and let me take the blame from the hordes of ignorant fanboys which is exactly why freeza brought it up. Its got less to do with fenris and more to do with half-truths and apathy on the part of the other admins. So there, its done lets put it to rest and get back to the overall issues Freeza is discussing:
ITS NOT EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM FREEZA TALKED ABOUT, ITS ALL OF THEM PUT TOGETHER THAT FORMS AN ENVIRONMENT OF HOPELESS DECLINE.
and how do you know that I don't know anything??? I didn't comment one single thing I don't know anything about. I do know one thing, the decline doesn't come from everything freeza mentioned it comes from something completely different. All the things he mentioned are only the consequences.
I've been present at several of these events, they are not hear say. Don't claim I don't know nothing about them, your just full of bs and you know it. And yeah, blame hacker for what happened, you just keep sinking lower.
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DANCE PUPPETS DANCE!
(http://www.horus.konker.net/files/1_puppeteer.JPG)
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what? You mean how it got what little is left of the community to start posting more and how it got some people pissed?
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Zanco: Youre talking about alot of things you dont understand. Something to remember is that freeza might be ranting about things you havent been let in one. Alot of it has to do with events you werent let in on or just havent heard of or are amongst the admin community. Also, its the continuous trend that matters. If it becomes obvious that theres no hope and things continue on a downward slope can you blame someone for leaving? I agree with alot of what Freeza said.
CK9: Youll just have to read. Freeza's comments /were/ summaries but he just made alot of them.
(Thanks hacker, i think people should be able to vent to. Oh look, Horus is venting about everything. But we can't? He adds to the discussion but sl0vi isn't allowed to. Yeah, right. )
Horus, who do you think you are? I've been here longer than you have; zanco definatly has. What do you mean we dont understand? Seems like all you do is pick fights or point out every single "fault" (what you Perceive as a fault.)
And what the heck is this!? = "Again, most of you are completely out of the loop." Since when did you know everything? Yah ok ppl are immature, but dont be immature just because they are. Take your own advice. Yeah and just because you have admin status in the forums doesn't make me respect any kind of authority from you.
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" imo even levi has been slacking out of most of his admin responsibilities and lacks a real appreciation for what we do."
wtf! Lev is the one that has kept this community together for this long. YOUR the one that seems to have a lack of appreciation for what ppl are actually accomplishing.
You must have "lack of character" or something. You keep steaming about stuff and point made, some stuff MAY be true. But why go on and on about it? Stop trying to control things that you don't have control over. Why do you attack ppl about not having results? do you have something to prove? Have some mercy and grace for a change. Get over it man. Why do you let what other people do control you so much?
To Freeza: I'm gonna miss you man.
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Yea, thats something I think most can agree with... Gonna miss Freeza.
And just when I found a use for the M6 Cruiser too... An apparently useless ship (needs more sheilds)
Of course, I'm sure most here are at least somewhat aware of whats going on... Things get leaked, DM-Horus, and its not from a single source.
There was some more I was gonna add, but I forgot.
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If you notice, most of the comments were directed to individuals. Some or all of which you won't have heard or know about as they were admin/private conversations.
All I wish to say:
If so, keep it as admin/private comments. OPU does not need this sort of crap made public. Yes, I have absolutely no idea what this is about, but seen as I'm not involved, I can talk about it without flaming.
If you have disagreements with people, sort it out with them, don't have a public b**** about it. Don't run from your problems, solve them. If you can't solve them, then leave. BUT DON'T GO KICKING AND SCREAMING.
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I 2nd what Chandler said, i find it really harsh to OPU to be insulting people that badly for reasons that aren't all that big. So he doesn't like lev's attempts to make people more socialize and make OPU more popular? Well i don't think he should just flame him in public...
I don't really have much of a say in this since most people of OPU ignore me now, and i have no idea why, and i might leave also, but this is just my opinion.
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The OP3 projects are inherently flawed from the start. There are too many reasons to name and listing them out will only get you guys to focus on my list and not what Im trying to say. I think this happened with Freezas comments.
The way OPU is being run is flawed. The admins are in charge, period. Not the peanut gallery. Admins should not have to keep their lips buttoned because youre "used" to admins not being active in the day-to-day activity. We are a small community, not qnet. Admins have the right to voice their opinions whenever they want if you dont like it, get the f*** out. OPU is alot friendlier than *alot* of communities Ive seen so you should actually feel pretty lucky.
We tolerate alot of noobness that would normally get yur ass kickbanned without warning. So everytime you get away with using /me more than twice in an hour you should thank us. Every admin does alot behind the scenes, just because we dont give everyone the play by play doesnt mean we sit around doing nothing. If we are silent, you accuse us of doing nothing and being useless. If we are active, you hate us for what we say and how we say it. Since you cant decide the ones in charge get to decide for you. Suck it up.
Freeza is fed up with some things in the community. He is fed up that they havent been properly addressed. Go cry in the corner if you dont like what was said. Going down his list of reasons and coming up with a creative counter to it doesnt make what is said any less valid. Look at what he said and consider it.
The OP3 projects like using their hindsight or vaporous insight as an excuse. We see no progress for months (or years) and when someone speaks up someone inevitably says "THATS WRONG! WE HAVE ANOTHER GUY ON OUR TEAM AND ARE ALMOST DONE WITH A DEMO!" Well if nobody else knows about it but you it doesnt count. If theres no way to verify your progress it doesnt count. If you cant give dates or make public updates, you might as well not be doing anything at all.
In spite of all the furvor that was had over my comments I still have not seen *anything* to indicate Im wrong in any way. I received threats from garrett that he would mess with the IRC server to get rid of me, and that I should "watch my back." And Im the one whose corrupt?! C'mon. Grow up and be real with us. If youre too busy to work on the project, let us know. And certainly dont get pissed off when theres no activity and someone happens to notice.
Ya, freeza dug up some s***. Thats exactly what he wanted. To get people talking, thinking and acting. Thats why I tore OP3 a new one in public. Im sure more work has been done on Genesis and TFC since this thread started than in the entire previous year. The community needs a big kick in the ass.
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Exactly the same can be said about being an admin. If you don't tell us what your doing or there is no way to verify what your doing it doesn't count. So horus, what do you do besides flame and whine???
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wtf! Lev is the one that has kept this community together for this long. YOUR the one that seems to have a lack of appreciation for what ppl are actually accomplishing.
thx for your support. dont worry ill be sticking with opu! :D
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Read all the words dont skim or pick apart this to try to find some thing to beat over some ones head it will just show where the corruption is.
OK let me just make a few things clear. I didnt leave OPU for good I might come back after a while. The reasons for my leaving you need not know and if you ask Ill hurt you badly :P but my reasons for leaving have actually little to do with OPU. This thread stated some things in a very mean way. It was in hope that you all would actually open your eyes and see what is happening. This does have any thing to do with mod/admin decidions that were done in private. Most of what I talked about was from personal observations and listening to people and seeing what people were doing. I know I may have pissed off a few people but then it was the hope that it would kick you in the ass and bring you out of the stupier that seems to cloud opu for a while.
I would like the state that most of you either dont care to read or just didnt read all of the post. Let me point out what I am talking about.
Sl0vi, I can see you tried to talk about something you know a little bit about - Fenrisul - but even that is skewed. The fact is, all the admins decided fenris should be banned. Hacker let me ban him because I was a new admin and hadnt done a ban before and thought learning the process would be useful. Later, he claimed he knew nothing about the ban and let me take the blame from the hordes of ignorant fanboys which is exactly why freeza brought it up. Its got less to do with fenris and more to do with half-truths and apathy on the part of the other admins. So there, its done lets put it to rest and get back to the overall issues Freeza is discussing:
If you re read this youll see that it clearly states that All the admins were involved in the ban of fenrisul NOT just hacker and/or horus. Horus is the one that did the clicking because he had no banned any one and was told to do it after the rest agreed. Fenrisul was Unbanned for the same reasons because you people cant except that a person is banned. The same could be said with moogle to till evidice was presented and you all promtly shut up. Guess we really can do our jobs right GO FIGURE.
And its apparant that some of you dont know what is going on. Yes you can still put in your 2 cents in but remember No one is claiming to know every thing and this isnt a popularity contest nor is it about how long you have been in the community. You need to sit back read the threads that were questions or ask other people about what is going on before you trying coming at me because youll end up with out a chair to sit on.
Levi spams, that's no secret. Atleast he cares
I care and you should too. How would you like it if you knew that the result of levi's spamming has gotten him banned from other networks and has actually pissed off or driven people further away from the forums and IRC. How do you like it when you get spam you ignore it right well thats what will happen with levi and it has. Kosh was Imed by levi to get on the forums and i asked kosh about it he said he knew where the damn forums where. Remember spam in regaurd to IM and email is not really about the quanity its about the message. Driving old people away by spam is not a good thing so you should f***ing care.
Why are you so p***ed off about what the OP3 team is doing? What the hell is the point in flaming them?
WHY did i do it because i am tired of being in the dark and i am tired of the ideas that have no direction or cant be completely thought out because of the lack of information about the planet and other such things. Now Genesis has a newsletter that I pestered them into so people would stay interested in Genesis. But i also know that there are some that are basicly sick of op3 they have seen so many come and go that it doesnt mater its just the next failure. Do I think they have problems yes And i said them. But you people think its was just to be mean or just to jab some one in the gut on my way out. Well your only half right. I wanted to give them a kick in the ass so they would start showing the community that op3 is alive and its not going to be worthless. But I still have to stand by the statement that they dont have enough people. Come on they are killing themselves trying to get the game done but it really isnt enough you all have to realize that.
I know alot of you dont like Horus. I can see why he can be a ass and a bit paranoid some times but so what. He does his job as a admin. Having some thing personal against some one is no reason to jump down his throat every time he does some thing. People trying to get him for corruption PMing semi private convos to other people to get more people against horus. Saying that horus is going to be banned hell or high water. You people keep pushing on him and he will either leave or he will f***ing explode and then youll see the corruption that you people have caused.
I didnt ask any one to agree or disagree with me i didnt ask any thing of any one other then arklon. I wanted you people to just f***ing see what I see.
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Sl0vi you didnt pay attention did you? Admins dont have to justify themselves. Admins are in charge and if you dont like how things are going, leave. Admins only have to justify themselves to other admins not the peanut gallery. None of the other admins think Im doing a terrible job. Besides, we are talking about OPU as a whole - NOT mean Mr. Horus. Stop trying to make me crumble instead of looking at the issues at hand - it wont work.
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Horus, you are the issue, and you'll have to f***ing ban me before I'll shut up or leave. And I don't care what the other mods think about you, just the disturbance your causing in this community is more than enough reason that you should be banned. And horus, admins most definetly have to justify themselves, and as long as admins try to avoid justifying themselves their going to meet resistance. That's the difference between the Moogle and the Fenrisul insident. You could justify yourselves when it came to Moogle, so people shut up about it. You couldn't when it came to Fenrisul, so your still getting s*** for it. And I'll keep giving you s*** for it until you clean up your act or ban me.
@Freeza, if I didn't care why would I bother argueing with you. And before you go flaming people like this in public, you should make it clear what the hell you got to back up your claims with, otherwise keep it in private! You only made some brief and unclear statements of what you actually were flaming levi for.
I know all admins were involved in the ban, which later just turned out to have been based on bs from horus. And since this was to test him, you should have seen right away that he wasn't suitable as an admin. Just forgetting about it, like you guys tried to do doesn't change a single thing.
Maybe your tired of being in the dark, maybe people have given up on an OP3 ever being made. It's still a bad excuse for going on a flaming run on a project that isn't yours! There are others ways of letting your views being known than flaming.
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Maybe your tired of being in the dark, maybe people have given up on an OP3 ever being made. It's still a bad excuse for going on a flaming run on a project that isn't yours! There are others ways of letting your views being known than flaming.
Sl0vi, youre one of the last people who should be discussing this since everything you *think* you know is from 3rd or 4th party sources. You can tell you dont know what youre talking about because your points of discussion are being openly conjectured by you! Anyone who has to guess about what happened or whats going on shouldnt be saying much in here. You certainly can demand I be banned because wittle usas dun like mean ol' mista Horus but it doesnt mean it will happen or that youre right. I just think its funny that in a discussion about global OPU problems people immediately take it as an excuse to show how they want me out no matter what for any reason they have to create. It shows how corrupt some lesser users are. I wont change the way I say things just so you feel more comfortable.
Youre making it obvious that you have something personal against me and dont mine hijacking threads to b**** and whine. Take it somewhere else. Back to the issues at hand...
Freeza said things that had to be said. If he said them in such a way that people were motivated into action, all the better. Now I will say something that has to be said: If youre mature and amd smart enough you would have noticed Freeza's wording and let all those nasty words slide by. You should be looking at what he was saying not how he said it. Letting his wording get to you makes you look like a fool. Blindly defending people and projects you know nothing about is meaningless. Freeza made his comments in public for two reasons: to let everyone know his thoughts and observations and to stir up s*** by wording his thoughts so the noobs of the community would freak out. It worked pretty well from what I can see.
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Horus, you are the issue, and you'll have to f***ing ban me before I'll shut up or leave. And I don't care what the other mods think about you, just the disturbance your causing in this community is more than enough reason that you should be banned. And horus, admins most definetly have to justify themselves, and as long as admins try to avoid justifying themselves their going to meet resistance. That's the difference between the Moogle and the Fenrisul insident. You could justify yourselves when it came to Moogle, so people shut up about it. You couldn't when it came to Fenrisul, so your still getting s*** for it. And I'll keep giving you s*** for it until you clean up your act or ban me.
Shut up Sl0vi and stop whining whilst your at it.
I don't read the message boards to see a conversation between two members. With one defending themselves and not reacting to your opinions and you continuing to dig it in.
I would lock the topic as you are now flaming but the topic is more important than your own moan, and splitting the topic would also be a pain as people have quoted you.
Continue moaning in a new topic if you wish, or ill move it to a new one for you if you do continue in this thread.
I could go further but my own post would turn into a flamewar.
Admins do stuff on the behalf of everyone else as well as themselves, and can choose to tell others what they have done or not.
Horus knows that he has the full backing of all the admins + GM's (I can't speak for the mods), perhaps that can waiver from time to time, but that happens between all friends, for many different reasons.
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Wow! you want to lock the thread because I'm flaming! The very first post in this thread was flaming. Talk about hypocracy...
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haha sl0vi, youre really grasping at straws now. all the admins agreed this thread should be left up because it brings up issues that *should* be discussed. if you cant do anything other than berate individuals and their comments instead of discussing the issues at hand your comments will simply be moved to the trash can. you have already taken up most of the second page of this thread with nothing productive taking place.
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Man, I leave for a few months due to lung problems, and I come back to this? Freeza, I think your cool and all but you make some interesting posts, my friend. I agree with your comment on Horus. He's just up everywhere in stuff. (no offense horus)
I'll just go now.
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Alright, you guys need to stop argueing and CALM THE HELL DOWN. Slovi, even I can see that your just openly attacking, DM-Horus speifically. Please, stop doing it. I don't want to see it, and neither does anyone else. If you have a personal vendetta against him, take it somewhere else. Otherwise, just try to stay on topic.
As for the rest of this...
Yea, some people are sick of seeing multitude of failured OP3 projects. But even then, still lend your support! Somebody might actually come through some day. As long as there is still people here, at OPU, there is always a chance one may materialize. Theres also a pretty good chance it'll be really good, like some other player made fan games I've had the chance to try. (There was one based off of Babylon 5 that was pretty good, I don't have it anymore). So long as they don't let their project get clouded by fanboyism. Ideas are good, but they have to think whats going to work, and what won't. If its cool, then thats just another plus. Thats partly why the OP2 combat looks and feels somewhat incomplete with stalemates easily occureing. Its because it was tacked on just to appeal to another crowd, basically "Because its cool". Fanboyism did take a role here, as they where trying to appeal to the C&C crowd. AVOID FANBOYISM LIKE THE PLAGUE. It is the death of ANYTHING, includeing a recent movie known as Snakes on a Plane... Fairly promising, until the fanboyism takes its effect.
Yea, I'm sure theres plenty of s*** going on behind the screens. I'm one who endorses a plan like I found on a different MMORPG (its kinda dead now), but what they did was have the Admins judgement was FINAL. Players could appeal the admins' decsion, and the community could go to hell as far as the admins where concerned based on their decisions. It was all within reason of course, and it was done in a 3 strike style system, with escallateing punishments eventually leading up to ban. It went like this.
1. Personal warning to behave
2. PMed message to behave
3. PMed message to behave with threat of 5 minuite kick
4. 5 minuite ban with message of what they where doing wrong.
5. Day ban (24 hrs)
6. Perma ban.
This was based on infractions of the RoC (rules of conduct). This setup allows them to make decisions with an air of finality. The affected person can appeal the decision if they think its not fair, and can try to get the punishment removed or reduced in severity. This gave them the flexibility to have a sort of finality to their decisions. And, if people asked, they simply ignored requests unless the affected party didn't mind. They never bothered to explain themselves when it came to stuff like that. Nor did they have to.
Note, they created a second, locked forum for admins/mods to create a whatchlist of frequent troublemakers. If steps where taken against you, they added you to this list, and gave the reason for the decision and the respective logs. Players on the whatch list where often given a more severe sentence then first time offenders (actually a lot like the current legal system too)
This also allowed them to avoid eliminateing a specific age group too, as they treated everybody the same when it came to this. The document that you agreed to, the TOS, was actually written out in lawyer style, so it would stand up in any court.
As such, they where removed from any liability that underaged people's parents might try to dump on them.
Of course, a certain amount of openness to the community needs to be instituted too. In the past, changes to OP2 that affected game play where added without the knowledge of the players. This must be prevented. ANY change to OP2 officially endoursed by OPU SHOULD list exactly how it affects the game, in layman's terms. This helps prevent some one from also trying to slip in some sort of personal cheat, especially if the changes must be approved by the other programming admins, as well as examined by them. I trust hacker not to exploit the game system. If he was going to, he would have done so long ago. But we do need to keep an eye on those who might think to do so.
We also need specific rules governing the exploitation of game bugs, most specifically, the one that gives you a free structure kit. I'm not going into detail on this one, I don't want people trying to actually do it. And I hope anyone trying to describe it gets that section of their post removed, we don't need people trying to cheat in that manner. Especially in Multiplayer.
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I note that me and Freeza had a little bit of an argument a while back over private messages, debating whether an Admin had to explain his reasoning. My side was that a modification of posts required at least a note to the affected party that their post had been modified or deleted. It was rather distressing when looking through an old post to see "Post modified by:" followed by a name other than my own.
After a bit of prodding I finally got my answer, I had commented on grammar, and he gave the full explaination of why he removed that portion of my post.
His answer made complete sense to me, and I did not continue to press the point. However, the fact that I could have a post modified without my knowledge made me feel rather... Defiled, in and of itself, and justification practices such as informing the "modified party" would go a long way to making sure EVERYONE knows that the Administrators and Moderators are doing their parts to keep the forum a safe and civil place for all of us.
And Freeza, I'm glad you could blow off steam in a way that only made a FEW people unhappy. :P
I hope you'll come back before too long, I'm sure there are plenty here that'll miss you.
~Kurgan Out.~ :op2:
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It was rather distressing when looking through an old post to see "Post modified by:" followed by a name other than my own.
After a bit of prodding I finally got my answer, I had commented on grammar, and he gave the full explaination of why he removed that portion of my post.
Just coping a line of the Forum Rules for clarity:
Also note that we have the right to delete and/or modify any post that is hateful, offensive, or profane.
This means that
We do not have to explain why we modified a post, sometimes it is best not to, to
a) protect the poster
b) keep things running smoothly
Normally we will give a reason where appropriate, e.g. my edit of Freeza's first post in this thread for readability.
Edit: Disabling stupid emotion shortcut 'b)'