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Title: Infinite Technology(weapons Part)
Post by: omagaalpha on March 06, 2006, 09:44:02 AM

Infinite Technology(weapons Part)
Related ideas:
- Technology Create By Usage Over Time Of Stuff  (http://forum.outpostuniverse.net/index.php?showtopic=2688) (thread is lock)
- Non-deterministic research (http://forum.outpostuniverse.net/index.php?act=ST&f=63&t=2990) (thread is lock)

Description:

1st personality opion all game have technolgy to research should always have infinite amount technology to research.

Fairly obvousy I think build sytem for infinite technolgy.  All weapon have max amount can modified it so here perposeded
First come oringnal weapons which you reasearch and what every impovrer to them you deceided
Formulicay beyonh programed technolgy.
-after so many improved weapons then can research new weapon
-new weapon(come nesiray so many improved has do whole new design so thrus new generation) example.

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microwave after like 10 improvemed could reserearch generator 2 microwave v2
Technolgy                         cost
Microwave                         1000
Microwave improved           500
Microwave improved 2         600
Microwave improved 3         700
Microwave improved 4         800
Microwave improved 5         1000
Microwave improved 6        1200
Microwave improved 7        1400
Microwave improved 8        1600
Microwave improved 9        1800
Microwave improved 10      2000
Microwave v2                    3000
Microwave v2 improved 1    1500

ok show kindy pattern thinking about so that still has research Technolgy obvously more prevousy required too like maybe
-introduction facility neeed smelter ore into new processed that make stronger new metal key to is that actual build gain smelter new common metal v1.(only how much new spealtiy common metal is when click infor for that building) before can reseach Microwave v2 and need build it so if destory then lose ability build it.
ok just incase go what heck is he talking about let me show you

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new common metal v1 tech  cost 10000
-new material
_____common metal v1 required common metal
-new building
_____Smelter Faculity cm v1 does: take common metal turn into cm v1
-upgrade
_____Kit and vehicle Factory can now able to handle the cm v1 metal to be make stuff with, we make change machine so that they are able handle this new metal
Microwave v2 tech
-required: Microwave improved 10 , new common metal v1
give new weapons:
-Microwave v2 weapons need:  200 cm1 add what ever platform it uses

new common metal v2 tech  cost 30000
-new material
_____common metal v2 required common metal v1
-new building
_____Smelter Faculity cm v2 does: take cm v1 turn into cm v2
Microwave v3 tech
-required: Microwave v2 improved 10 , new common metal v2 tech
-give new weapons:
_____Microwave v3 weapons need:  200 cm1 add what ever platform it uses

Add on: diminishing returns(thanks white claw point it out)
_____If take notice example cost get more expensive the higher the level go which mean cost more for less technology especially with improvement technology phase but you will get more bang for buck when go in to new generation of the technology.

This is a good idea, because:
-real life we also always research something better

Title: Infinite Technology(weapons Part)
Post by: TH300 on March 06, 2006, 03:26:44 PM

Allowing the player to research infinite technologies makes sense, considering that in real life we also always research something better.

Unfortunately I don't understand much of your post, so here is how I'd do it:
1. have the normal tech-tree which is as big as possible
2. when the normal techtree is completely researched (or when a branch of it is completely researched) enable additional branches. i.e. when everything related to ore is researched one can research "advanced ore processing 1" etc.

We might make it so that the bonus, that additional techs give, decreases with the number.

Title: Infinite Technology(weapons Part)
Post by: omagaalpha on March 06, 2006, 08:21:25 PM

I kindy had feeling of that you would not understand that
( 4. add longer research time too it :P)

honest feel like make web of  infinity loop of technology

ps. fix problem quote not working in the above post

Title: Infinite Technology(weapons Part)
Post by: omagaalpha on March 20, 2006, 08:28:03 AM

update formatted to new standard for this thread

Title: Infinite Technology(weapons Part)
Post by: Skydock Command on September 17, 2006, 01:37:19 PM

Sounds good. One problem though, what if some had Thors Hammer V10,000, you could have 1 that would vaporize an entire army.  

Title: Infinite Technology(weapons Part)
Post by: Stormy on September 17, 2006, 09:26:48 PM

I feel that this goes a bit too far into micromanagement and all that. After a while, it can begin to feel like Dawn of War's "upgrade" scheme imho....

Title: Infinite Technology(weapons Part)
Post by: Skydock Command on September 18, 2006, 04:31:36 PM

Stormy you have convinced me. This is a horible idea.

Title: Infinite Technology(weapons Part)
Post by: Savant 231-A on January 24, 2007, 08:35:59 AM

Hmmm... may i add that this idea wuld be good if:
1. The time to research is a way longer
2. That this is avaliable when you completly research the whole thing about that tech
3. Bigger cost
4. Small increase of strenght

If this too doesn't work, than really, it is a bad idea.

Title: Infinite Technology(weapons Part)
Post by: White Claw on January 24, 2007, 10:27:33 AM

There's also the idea of diminishing returns. I.e. you make the research cost/time take longer and longer with each level, but you start getting back much less in return. Eventually, it would become very expensive to research. Then it's still up to the player if the next level is worth it to him. I see this as creating a specialized army for each player. (Someone would probably spend more research on EMP, while someone spends more research on ESG or RPG... etc...)

Of course, I'm sure that really, everyone would research TH level 10,000 as you suggest. But then again, both sides could do it.

Sorry this is incomplete. I have to go...

Title: Infinite Technology(weapons Part)
Post by: omagaalpha on January 27, 2007, 04:27:34 PM

Just white claw add section about your idea with my idea which little bit what talk about in it :P

Title: Infinite Technology(weapons Part)
Post by: White Claw on January 28, 2007, 07:36:42 AM

Alpha - So are you saying that you have to create a special production facility that builds the new weapon? (i.e. a factory that builds v2 Microwave turrets)

Do you have to reach improvement Level 10 on something before you can research the next version?

Title: Infinite Technology(weapons Part)
Post by: omagaalpha on February 02, 2007, 12:30:09 PM

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Alpha - So are you saying that you have to create a special production facility that builds the new weapon? (i.e. a factory that builds v2 Microwave turrets)

1. Oh forgot factory has be improved with it too work new metals :P. So made little change incorprate it. into my first post.

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Microwave v2 tech
->>>>Required: Microwave improved 10 , new common metal v1
give new weapons:
-Microwave v2 weapons need:  200 cm1 add what ever platform it uses

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Do you have to reach improvement Level 10 on something before you can research the next version?

2. yep that way has wait for time go by to get higher level technology, Another can't keep reseach chain get to new level technoly, your has by natural of use things for whil to get to it. Though strees next version redesign technology from square after do quick improvement.

Title: Infinite Technology(weapons Part)
Post by: TRIX Rabbit on February 02, 2007, 09:25:02 PM

I think a huge tech tree would be cool. But you have to research in small amounts. Like updates to techs.

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>magneto hydrodynamics (Primary Research)
>{}Coil Realignment (Primary Update/Improvement)
>{}Nanotube Replacement
>>Magnetic Field Synchronization (Secondary Research)
>>{}Mag Field Resynch (Secondary Update)
>>> etc...

This way, one could make it seem like you were really controlling the colony, with scientists approaching you with their hypothesises.

also, you could make the basic lab unobsolete by having it do most of the update research

Title: Infinite Technology(weapons Part)
Post by: omagaalpha on February 04, 2007, 07:15:00 AM

Yea well impovement part come from use of that technolnolgy over time so can't go research hog while with technology has wait until come arcoss or realise theres flaw or adjusment need which to me is important since real life improvemnt are found after use stuff.

Title: Infinite Technology(weapons Part)
Post by: TRIX Rabbit on February 04, 2007, 04:37:13 PM

Oh yeah, I didn't mean you'd be able to research it right away... For example, you'd have to wait several ten/hundred marks before an improvement is available. Also, after a large battle, research could appear, like a flaw that was noticed during the battle.

Title: Infinite Technology(weapons Part)
Post by: omagaalpha on February 05, 2007, 06:22:05 AM

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Oh yeah, I didn't mean you'd be able to research it right away... For example, you'd have to wait several ten/hundred marks before an improvement is available.

This kindy prefer semi random times so can't think on this tick get availiability.  There should minimum time but maximum for it appear should huge.

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Also, after a large battle, research could appear, like a flaw that was noticed during the battle.

Now geting it, but can done all building and vehicle after usage for prolong usuage or special action that being proform like bulldozwn, tub making building constructution, fire a weapon, move to place , etc.
 

Title: Infinite Technology(weapons Part)
Post by: TRIX Rabbit on February 05, 2007, 08:53:14 AM

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This kindy prefer semi random times so can't think on this tick get availiability.  There should minimum time but maximum for it appear should huge.

Random Numbers? My specialty! I used to make probability games on my calc and in programming class.

for example:

Code: [Select]

'This Code is for MHD Coil Realignment Research

MHDImprAvl = Int((300 - 50 + 1) * Rnd + 50)

'Insert code for If MHDRsrched =True
'Then Loop Until MHDImprAvl = 0
'1 Mark = ? seconds

I'm a bit rusty on my VB, so I'll study up on it and get back to it.
The best I can do is make a list of improvements and create some Psuedo-code for them