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Outpost Series Games => Outpost 2 Divided Destiny => Topic started by: spirit1flyer on November 27, 2005, 11:18:40 PM

Title: Microwave Or Laser?
Post by: spirit1flyer on November 27, 2005, 11:18:40 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b373/spirit1flyer/7668a887.jpg)

12 units for the start, 6 units left on the wrong side <_<  oh and I was playing a test of power against the AI I thought maybe I could beat the AI with lasers against microwaves :P  
Title: Microwave Or Laser?
Post by: HaXtOr on November 28, 2005, 12:16:06 AM
same tech level?
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Post by: Hooman on November 28, 2005, 12:28:45 AM
Microwave turrets don't look like ... anything. They're just weird blobs of graphics. I think the laser turret looks better. That and their is something about the weapons fire from a microwave that just doesn't look right.

But hey, on the other hand, it's always cool to see your opponent's vehicles blowing up. So in that sense, I guess I like microwaves better.  ;)  
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Post by: CK9 on November 28, 2005, 01:30:24 AM
I say microwave, 'cause it's the one we actually have working at a similar level to in game
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Post by: Leviathan on November 28, 2005, 02:10:10 AM
i love the mirowave glory!

and please post in my micro map thread.
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Post by: Freeza-CII on November 28, 2005, 02:13:25 AM
Laser its eden and not to bad after the heat dis upgrade and a total underdog  
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Post by: siqueule on November 28, 2005, 05:35:01 AM
I prefer the microwaves, the noise is more pleasant; moreover, the laser turrets looks like tv parabola...  
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Post by: Leviathan on November 28, 2005, 06:44:39 AM
ya the laser looks cool, allways liked it.  
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Post by: BlackBox on November 28, 2005, 01:54:21 PM
I'd have to say the microwaves are cooler. Partly because they ARE more powerful (like Hooman said, they make enemy vehs go boom, so they're more fun :P)

I think they're more original as well. What sci-fi game DOESN'T have a laser? Where on the other hand, I've never seen microwaves in a sci-fi game.

And yeah, like sigueule said, their sound is better. (The laser sounds a bit, err, "wimpy.") :heh:

That reminds me, I wrote a level a couple days ago that is a purely 'scientific' test of the laser vs microwave. Obviously you can tell that mics will win, by looking at the dmg values in the sheets, but it's fun to watch and see who will win experimentally.

Basically it sends waves of 1 laser vs 1 mic each, from two different AI bases (CC and VF each). after about 5 "rounds" of this, the microwave overpowers the lynx and destroys the other ai's CC and VF.
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Post by: Sirbomber on November 28, 2005, 02:08:03 PM
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I prefer the microwaves, the noise is more pleasant

What are you talking about? They both go "ki-pow! ki-pow! ki-pow! ki-pow!" over and over again. The microwave just has an echo.
And the laser looks much better than the microwave, which apparently resembles a box.

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Sirbomber/laser.jpg)   (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Sirbomber/microwave.jpg)
See how boxy it looks?
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Post by: Betaray on November 28, 2005, 03:09:20 PM
I think thats an RPG turret

me I pick laser, because I tried building a microwave weppon in my basement, and it nearly burned my house down, so I dont like them  (thumbsdown)  
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Post by: CK9 on November 28, 2005, 03:56:39 PM
beta, look in the lower left corner of the right picture and you will see a microwave lynx.  I love that pic, it was so well done
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Post by: Betaray on November 28, 2005, 04:01:37 PM
I like the lightning on the right hand of it

does anyone know who did those pics, and/or what program they used?
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Post by: spirit1flyer on November 28, 2005, 04:28:13 PM
I can get you a list of the people who work on it but as for who made it I can't get that.


I have always thought the Laser looked the best.
Title: Microwave Or Laser?
Post by: CK9 on November 28, 2005, 04:41:30 PM
I can reproduce that lightening effect with colored pencils.
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Post by: Hooman on November 28, 2005, 05:41:55 PM
Yeah, those pics are pretty kick ass. Someone needs to tell the person who made them. Not that they don't already know.

But yeah, in game, the microwaves look too boring. You don't really get much of a feel for the weapon mounted on the turret.
 
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Post by: Tellaris on November 28, 2005, 10:14:51 PM
I like the laser sound better then the microwaves'.   And the sci fi look to those lynx is nice.
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Post by: siqueule on November 29, 2005, 05:50:54 AM
the laser, it's just light; I have a laser-pencil, I use them to amuse my cat who follow the red point...
while the microwave, we feel the charged-particles with high energy who shoot the schielding of the target to create difference of potential who will heat the steel and melt them :o ; I love see a microwave-tiger who demolish some vehicles!
the laser, bof, it's just a red feature...
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Post by: leeor_net on November 29, 2005, 12:13:53 PM
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me I pick laser, because I tried building a microwave weppon in my basement, and it nearly burned my house down, so I dont like them
That was kind of silly. I see that games have a direct influence on you.

Anyway, I much prefer the laser (although I think dynamix reversed the turrets... honestly, lasers don't need a dish to focus their beams... they're already focused but microwaves very much need a dish to focus their beams). Anyway, point being, despite the (apparant) mixup, I much prefer the lasers. The beams look fun (glowing red stuff... mmmmm....) and the turrets are just freaking sweet.
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Post by: leeor_net on November 29, 2005, 12:18:10 PM
As far as those images are concerend, they were part of OP2's artwork package if I'm not mistaken (mission pics from Plymouth's campaign?).

Anyway, chances are they created those images using whatever 3D software suite they used to create the cutscenes.

As far as lighting goes, it's a rather simple effect to recreate both real-time in a game and offline using either PhotoShop or a 3D software suite. I can teach anyone how to create such effects if they'd like (e.g., the OP3:GEN logo... I'll attach it to the bottom of this post).

(http://genesis.outpostuniverse.net/images/genesis_logo.jpg)
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Post by: CK9 on November 29, 2005, 01:37:02 PM
I just realized something.  That pic is from the plymouth campeigne, but plymout is getting their ass kicked in it.  idiots build the generators outside of the gaurdpost lines
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Post by: Sirbomber on November 29, 2005, 03:03:44 PM
What are you talking about CK9?
Everyone knows you should dismantle all colony-vital buildings and rebuild them right outside your enemy's base.  ;)  
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Post by: Hooman on November 29, 2005, 08:44:55 PM
Well I don't know if that's such a terrible idea. I've made good use of exploding tokamaks in a game before. It took at the attacking army about a second before an acid cloud lynx was finished building, which had no trouble killing the disabled units.

Btw, has anyone found that certain movement patterns with vehicles tend to give them a better chance of survival. I remember doing certain things with a laser lynx up against a microwave lynx and I managed to win about half the time (instead of like 10% of the time).
 
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Post by: Vexhare on March 02, 2006, 04:10:02 PM
Microwave has proven to work better.
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Post by: dm-horus on March 02, 2006, 05:02:26 PM
micro def has nicer sound. the anim for the bolt isnt every sexy, altho somewhat hypnotising @.@
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Post by: BlackBox on March 06, 2006, 08:07:28 AM
I still want to modify some things about that microwave bolt. (It's a procedural animation, meaning, rather than there being graphics in the OP2_ART for it, there's code to render it when the weapon fires. Other procedural animations in OP2 are the laser, and Thor's hammer (maybe others, I can't think of all the animations right now))

It would be interesting to see a green microwave, or maybe one that zigzags before it hits the target.
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Post by: siqueule on March 08, 2006, 03:11:13 PM
I find that the grey and the kaki is beautiful, too  :)  
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Post by: Highlander on March 08, 2006, 04:57:21 PM
I liked the Micro ray that was on the pre-release demo :P
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Post by: siqueule on March 09, 2006, 05:44:22 AM
it was different?
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Post by: Highlander on March 09, 2006, 10:43:47 AM
Yeah ;) you should get the demo and see for yourself  
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Post by: siqueule on March 09, 2006, 02:23:11 PM
oké, I will download them! this is on the downloads category?
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Post by: Mcshay on March 09, 2006, 06:54:46 PM
I believe that the demos are included in version 1.3.4 as colony games.
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Post by: Exile on January 11, 2007, 12:51:09 AM
micro has a tad higher rate of fire then laser but that aside i think laser is better. besides when the people from eden hear that microwaves are coming to the front lines they just get TV dinners :P
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Post by: Racquerr on March 21, 2007, 08:51:56 PM
I think they are great opposites of each other. I believe the almost cancel each other out as far as pro's vs con's. Lasers will do more damage, but a microwave it scramble your electronics (and cybernetics for that matter). Using a laser on technological system is just going to make burn marks in everything, but a microwave will just heat up armor and not really eat through it unless its light. Long story short, the microwave I just think as more versatile, but the laser does have some more brute force damage. As far as the game is concerned I'd rather go microwave.  
Title: Microwave Or Laser?
Post by: Arklon on March 21, 2007, 09:30:42 PM
(http://outpost3.net/MicrowaveTiger.png)
Fear the Microwave Tiger.
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Post by: White Claw on March 22, 2007, 07:57:20 PM
Awesome!  
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Post by: Quantum on July 09, 2007, 12:02:16 PM
The microwaves has that cool repeating fire sound

 :)  
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Post by: Leviathan on July 09, 2007, 12:05:44 PM
Yea I think microwave is cooler.

Lol @ Pic
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Post by: Marukasu on November 15, 2007, 12:01:39 PM
Microwave.
The turret even looks more durable.