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« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2004, 05:28:19 PM »
no, some guys of a certain age = lustful

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« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2004, 05:50:24 PM »
k.

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« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2004, 08:00:12 AM »
what's rofl? hey, i no plenty of boys who r lustful

lustful=sin

sin=evil

lustful=evil

so there fore, if u look upon a person as being hot,
u=evil
(u, in this case, may b boy or girl)
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« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2004, 08:30:00 AM »
but evil cannot exist without a good to compare it to and vise versa so a town full of sinners = evil compared to a town full of non-sinners
but compared to nothing at all
town full of sinners = normal for them
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« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2004, 10:26:09 AM »
"Good" is defined as that which the majority of people see as "good" whilst "evil" is defined as that which the majority of people see as "evil."

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« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2004, 10:46:26 AM »
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what's rofl? hey, i no plenty of boys who r lustful

lustful=sin

sin=evil

lustful=evil

so there fore, if u look upon a person as being hot,
u=evil
(u, in this case, may b boy or girl)
hmmm... yup i am evil...
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« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2004, 09:18:25 PM »
*thinks for a few moments*  nope not evil (some pretty ugly people here, lol, but I'm looking at mental rather asthetic value myself.)
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« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2004, 09:04:20 AM »
ummmm...


CK9 == EVIL != NOT EVIL.
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« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2004, 12:46:36 PM »
Thats an odd way of doing math..

Calculus and Derivations:

f(x) = x^3 + 4x^2 - 5

f'(x) = 3x^2 + 8x

Thus, the average velocity where x = 5 is 115.

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« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2004, 02:31:09 PM »
*sigh*...


x^3=12^9

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« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2004, 05:31:14 PM »
x^3=12^9

x = 12 * 12 * 12 * 12 * 12 * 12 * 12 * 12 * 12 = 144 * 144 * 144 * 12 = 5159780352 ^ (1/3) = 1728

simple mental math
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« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2004, 07:05:30 AM »
Here's one, a simple proof every single person on this board should be able to do:

picture: (i'll try to draw it the best using ascii art, lol)
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Given: triangle ABC is scalene, and segment AD bisects BC.
Prove: AD is not perpendicular to BC.

Good luck!
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« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2004, 11:56:39 AM »
i will solve it AS SOON as i get what those words mean in Hungarian...
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« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2004, 12:46:56 PM »
we're doin proofs in geometry rit now... i've never done so much of one thing in my whole life...
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« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2004, 01:16:29 PM »
i prove another thing false... well i say i am not bored... BUT I AM!
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« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2004, 03:15:27 PM »
to zfir's "equation"

if the quote says "the love of money is the root of all evil"
then                                   "money is the root of all evil"
is also part of the quote and
can thus be another quote

to hackers "proof"

       ^ A
     / | \
    /  |  \
B<----->C
       D

line AD must be perpendicular to line BC in order to bisect line BC in a scalene triangle so there is NO SOLUTION to prove that line AD is not perpandicular to line BC

unless your in one of beta's imaginary universes

edit: hacker how did you get the triangle to match up, i put spaces in but it just deleted them
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qatlh Quch Hab ghaj no'ra'
vaj HabHa''a' je 'uSDu'lIj joj

wich translates roughly to:

how come you guys never had those for head bumps in the first staktrek series and do you guys have bumps like that on your genitals too?

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« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2004, 03:33:47 AM »
use [code|] [/code] (without the | line.)
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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2004, 10:39:44 AM »
By its definition, a scalene triangle has no equal angles!

Rough redraw:


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« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2004, 11:26:29 AM »
nice picture, x
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« Reply #44 on: October 10, 2004, 01:24:41 PM »
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Anyway, By the Definition of Scalene triangles, no two sides nor angles are equal.

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« Reply #45 on: October 10, 2004, 03:12:17 PM »
Hint: use indirect proofs.

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« Reply #46 on: October 10, 2004, 04:28:19 PM »
Easy way to do the X^3 = 12^9:
X^3 = (12^3)^3
x = 12^3

Which is where I usually stop since I'm more of a pure math type of person and rarely bother with arithmetic involving more than 1 digit numbers. :) (Calculations are for computers, the beauty is in the proof).
But alright, x = 12 * 12 * 12 = 144*12 = 1728.


As for the initial question, that's not really addition. What you're doing is taking the cardinality of set union, where repeated items only count once. It's a simple matter to show:
 | A union B | <= |A| + |B|
In fact, this follows from the more general result:
 |A| + |B| = | A union B| + | A intersect B|


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f(x) = x^3 + 4x^2 - 5

f'(x) = 3x^2 + 8x

Thus, the average velocity where x = 5 is 115.
Just to be picky  :P , that's the instantaneous velocity. But yeah, wonderful stuff.


As for 0 = 1, all these proofs contain some subtle flaw that people aren't meant to notice. If you look hard enough, you can always find a false step, or a false assumption.

Consider:
(Step1) 1 = 1^(2*1/2)
(Step2) = (1^2)^1/2
(Step3) = ((1)^2)^1/2
(Step4) = ((-1)^2)^1/2, since (-1)^2 = 1 = (1)^2
(Step5) = (-1)^(2*1/2)
(Step6) = (-1)^1
(Step7) = -1

Which of course you can use to your hearts desire to "prove" other results, such as:
1 = -1
1 + 1 = -1 + 1
2 = 0
1 = 0 (divide both sides by 2)

So, anyone care to guess which of the above steps was false?

Anyways, these "proofs" often like to make use of square roots but there are other examples that misuse the Well-Ordering princiople, or a proof by smallest counter example.

As an example of the Well-Ordering Principle,  (every nonempty set of natural numbers contains a least element) we can "prove" that every natural number is "interesting". (And no, this isn't exactly a false proof, just really silly).

Proof: Suppose for the sake of contradiction that not every natural number is interesting. Let X be the set of all the non-interesting natural numbers. By assumption, X is non-empty. By the Well-Ordering principle, let x be the smallest element of X.
Now, 0 is Certainly interesting, it's the identity element for addition, and anything *0 = 0. Similarily, 1 is the multiplicative identity, it's the only unit in the set of natural numbers, 2 is the only even prime. Certainly all interesting numbers.
So what is x? It's the first natural number that is not interesting, and that makes it very interesting. => <= :)

(Granted, the last line is pretty ridiculous, but hopefully you can appreciate the humor in it.)


As for Hacker's question, if we are allowed the assumption that two sides of a triangle and the inclosing angle completely define the triangle (which is certainly true).
Then suppose AD bisects BC and AD is perpendicular to BC, then we have the |BD| = |DC| (the lengths are equal). But then since AD is perpendicular to BC, we have angle BDA = 90 degrees = angle CDA. But then we have for triangle, BDA, sides BD and AD enclosnig a 90 degree and, while for triangle CDA, sides DC and AD enclose a 90 degree angle, but |DC|=|BD| and certainly |AD|=|AD|, so these two triangles are quivalent. Hence the third sides BA and CA have equal length. But that contradicts triangle ABC is scalene. Thus if AD bisects BC, it is not perpendicular.


Here's some funny puzzles for the calculus types:
Note: For all functions below, the domain must be defined on all real numbers.
1) Find a function which is discontinuous at infinitely many points
2) Find a function which is discontinuous at an uncountably infinite number of points.
3) Find a function which is continuous at only a countably infinte number of points.
3b) but whose integral is continuous everywhere.
4) Find a function which is continuous at exactly one point.
5) Fnid a function which is discontinuous everywhere.
6) Find a continuous function which if not differentiable anywhere.
 

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« Reply #47 on: October 11, 2004, 02:36:48 AM »
i can still prove things false :D

1) need... dictionary...
2) need... dictionary...
3) need... dictionary...
3b) need... dictionary...
4) need... dictionary...
5) need... dictionary...
6) need... dictionary...
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« Reply #48 on: October 11, 2004, 08:49:51 AM »
1) Find a function which is discontinuous at infinitely many points

lol, that would be the stair-step equation

2) Find a function which is discontinuous at an uncountably infinite number of points.

same as #1, just stated in different terms that make it redundant

3) Find a function which is continuous at only a countably infinte number of points.

define countably infinate...

3b) but whose integral is continuous everywhere.



4) Find a function which is continuous at exactly one point.

impossible, as for it to be continuous, it must have other poins of reference that would be continuous as well

5) Fnid a function which is discontinuous everywhere.

saw it just the other day...then we had to d some classwork and I forgot it

6) Find a continuous function which if not differentiable anywhere.

lol, if I had time, I would answer this, but I would need at least half an hour to write and check it
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« Reply #49 on: October 11, 2004, 05:42:50 PM »
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head=butt

just look at Kerry

 
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