Author Topic: Lynx 3d Model  (Read 1590 times)

Offline dave_erald

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 245
Lynx 3d Model
« on: December 03, 2015, 02:20:15 PM »
So I downloaded Blender today.

Once I get the array modifier to rotate correctly I plan on drawing up some Outpost 2 models. I've seen some people try their hand at it but no repository on completed models ( if there are I apologize, didn't see them) anywho...

First I am going to try my hand at building a Lynx combat chassis. Just the chassis so that modular weapons pods could be added later.

Anybody tried this? Have design suggestions? Anything a Lynx needs that I haven't thought of ie. Wheels, lights, chassis, turret ring, view ports, access hatch etc etc.

And where would you put the Eden or Plymouth insignia? And what colors should it be painted?

Thoughts?

David R.V.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2015, 06:38:09 PM by dave_erald »
I wrote a novella on this site, I can sorta code...

Outpost2 - Life at the End- 2015
Edits will show up in red

- David R.V.

Offline Hooman

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3744
Re: Lynx 3d model.
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2015, 07:04:19 PM »
Fenrisul released an archive of models. I think it contained the actual model data, not just renderings. I'm pretty sure there was a Lynx in there.

I also remember Arklon once posting a nice big detailed picture of a Lynx taken from the game. I think it was part of the mission briefing graphics. The sort of thing that is easily forgotten about.

Offline dave_erald

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 245
Re: Lynx 3d model.
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2015, 06:37:34 PM »
Got it. I downloaded those and imported them into blender.

Most of them are very simple shapes, built as polygonal models for in game (use less resources, game runs faster, yada yada yada) basic outlines or structures of the buildings, probably can be used as a starting point for some more complex and detailed models.

The Lynx chassis I am constructing is about 80% of the way towards public viewing. I hope to use it as a basis for all other models I would like to draw up, design cues that could be carried on from model to model.

Also I have seen a bunch of different drawings and designs for the Lynx so what I am starting with is in no way the finished product, I will need outside suggestions to complete something everyone can agree on, and if not everyone than something a large a majority of people would accept.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2015, 12:39:20 PM by dave_erald »
I wrote a novella on this site, I can sorta code...

Outpost2 - Life at the End- 2015
Edits will show up in red

- David R.V.

Offline dave_erald

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 245
Re: Lynx 3d Model
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2015, 07:49:33 PM »
Well, here goes...






Maybe that works, coming from Photobucket, and whatever, you get the point.

So let me go ahead and describe why this looks the way it does.

  • I looked around for a bunch of pics of the lynx, some showed all three side wheels close together, others two front one aft, I chose this for now.
  • Tires I chose this direction as rubber isn't going to be plentiful on New Terra so inflated tires would be non existent, also they live on a rock basically.
  • Blue cause its Eden, duh
  • I need to get the Eden insignia on the side somewhere
  • Where would the power receiver dish go?
  • Is it too long? The height and width dimensions along with tire dimension would make it roughly the size of a T55 Tank
  • Color?
  • This is not the finished product! HELP please.

Go ahead Internet. Lets make this better.


David R.V.
I wrote a novella on this site, I can sorta code...

Outpost2 - Life at the End- 2015
Edits will show up in red

- David R.V.

Offline Hooman

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3744
Re: Lynx 3d Model
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2015, 07:55:52 PM »
Looks slightly more rectangular than I would have expected.

Also, way better than anything I would ever be able to come up with.

Curious question, how do you know it's the aft wheel and not the front wheel that's offset? With the swivel turret, it's hard to tell front from back. Is this based on headlights? And yes, I've wondered about the wheel offset thing myself.

Edit: Might be a good idea to version control your model.

Offline dave_erald

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 245
Re: Lynx 3d Model
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2015, 08:12:14 PM »
I know of version control but not how its structured or what constitutes a change.

Also, yeah best guess on design at this point, and from any and all support from the community. I didn't run a large scale render as I want to play with textures and shading and all that other mumbo jumbo.
I wrote a novella on this site, I can sorta code...

Outpost2 - Life at the End- 2015
Edits will show up in red

- David R.V.

Offline Hooman

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3744
Re: Lynx 3d Model
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2015, 08:25:02 PM »
If you don't already have an SVN write account, you can pester Leviathan for one.

Basically create a folder, call it something like "Models", throw the files in there, and commit them with a message along the lines of "Initial Lynx model". As you work on the model, and complete a change you like, check in the changed file with a new message such as, "Moved aft wheel". Or some people prefer dropping the past tense, and instead describe what the change does if applied, such as "Move aft wheel".

I sort of feel like I'd need to look at a picture of a Lynx to really know where to go with it. It's been a while since I've looked at a large picture of one.

Offline dave_erald

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 245
Re: Lynx 3d Model
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2015, 08:45:48 PM »
A pic for inspiration ( I do not own this, but its sweet )

http://norsehound.deviantart.com/art/Rail-Gun-Lynx-20333837

... and from the new wiki.

http://wiki.outpostuniverse.org/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=outpost_2:outpost_2_manual:eden_lynx.png

I remember seeing one with one tire aft a bit, and now I'll never find it. Oh well. Maybe version two will have all three centered.
I wrote a novella on this site, I can sorta code...

Outpost2 - Life at the End- 2015
Edits will show up in red

- David R.V.

Offline dave_erald

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 245
Re: Lynx 3d Model
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2015, 08:59:03 PM »
So, more or less in the right direction?




And yes the lights and the black viewport if there was a human driver make that the front with turret swivel aft of center rear of vehicle.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2015, 09:46:21 PM by dave_erald »
I wrote a novella on this site, I can sorta code...

Outpost2 - Life at the End- 2015
Edits will show up in red

- David R.V.

Offline dave_erald

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 245
Re: Lynx 3d Model
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2015, 09:24:04 AM »
So, some updates for Lynx 2.1

Front



Rear



What's changed?

  • Added Power Receiver Dishes, Left and Right Hand side (Modeled somewhat like the Lynx that is Arklon's Avatar, figured that was a good starting point)
  • Added Recessed access door to rear of vehicle
  • Widened track width, tires were rubbing body
  • Aft wheels were pulled forward in version 2

This will be the last of updating for today.

Leave some comments, I'm open to designing it in anyway as I could use some more ideas. Also, if Hooman is reading this does this seem like a good structure for version control? Tips? I can change the structure anytime just curious.
Thanks.

Dave



p.s - Version 2.2 will see the addition of a weapon pod to gauge proportioning for future steps, what should be the first weapon I mount up?
I wrote a novella on this site, I can sorta code...

Outpost2 - Life at the End- 2015
Edits will show up in red

- David R.V.

Offline dave_erald

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 245
Re: Lynx 3d Model
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2015, 12:31:23 PM »
And if anybody wants usable game versions I will have to build some lower polygon versions, the tires alone are responsible for over 40'000 faces and vertices.

Sheesh
I wrote a novella on this site, I can sorta code...

Outpost2 - Life at the End- 2015
Edits will show up in red

- David R.V.

Offline Hooman

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3744
Re: Lynx 3d Model
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2015, 01:40:24 AM »
What do you mean by a good structure for version control? Do you mean your list of changes for the commit message? I certainly wouldn't mind seeing what you've written for the changes in a commit message.

Offline dave_erald

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 245
Re: Lynx 3d Model
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2015, 07:02:54 AM »
Oh no, all I was trying to get across is I have never used version control so i wouldn't no where to start.

Like every little change should be documented and have change number? Or just after several changes and I push I out to the public? And when i do that what should be the numbering system? I wonder if I would ever make enough changes to label them as 0.0.1, 0.0.2, 0.0.3 or should I stick to a smaller numbering system like 0.1, 0.2, 0.3?

And a commit message would be a separate text document listing changes?

I guess I should read up more on this...

Once I get comfortable with this software I will probably start making models at a lower resolution to start with and then start uploading them to the SVN with doc changes and version numbers. Right now I'm still fumbling my way thru.
I wrote a novella on this site, I can sorta code...

Outpost2 - Life at the End- 2015
Edits will show up in red

- David R.V.

Offline Hooman

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3744
Re: Lynx 3d Model
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2015, 08:38:45 PM »
You don't assign version numbers when checking in changes. The version control system has its own internal version numbers. You don't need to know what they are, and they have little relevance for typical work. At best they're a handy short name for what is better described by the commit messages.

The 3 dotted numbers, Semantic Versioning, is what you'd use for tagged versions when doing a release. This has no resemblance to the internal version numbers used by normal everyday commits. Don't worry about it at this point. I don't think you need it, and even if you did, it's something you can learn and do after the fact since you're just tagging existing versions (identified by a single auto generated number) with a human made tag.

The commit messages aren't written into a separate document along with the rest of your files. The notes are attached to the commit, and exist separately from the files under version control. If you're using TortoiseSVN, there is a dialog box that pops up when doing a commit which has a text box for your commit message, and also displays a summary of all the changed files that will be included in the commit. If you're using svn from the command line, you'd specify the commit message as a command line option.
Code: [Select]
svn ci -m "Commit message here describing the changes for this commit"

Ideally commits should be small and often. Not every commit needs a public release. Releases to the public, which occur less frequently, can become tagged versions. You don't need to worry about tagged versions and releases at this point.


Ask Leviathan for an account with write access, and grab a copy of TortoiseSVN. It's actually quite straightforward to use, and comes with good help and examples. I can always walk you through the process once you're setup with an account and the software.

Offline dave_erald

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 245
Re: Lynx 3d Model
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2015, 08:52:19 PM »
I got TortoiseSvn already and have been playing around a little bit.

Still have to learn how to create and upload once Lev does get me access...unless he already did. I have to check when I get home.

I have two more models and some extra pieces that I could upload soon. Which once I'm home I'll upload snaps here first.

Thanks for the help guy!
I wrote a novella on this site, I can sorta code...

Outpost2 - Life at the End- 2015
Edits will show up in red

- David R.V.

Offline lordpalandus

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 402
Re: Lynx 3d Model
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2016, 11:42:19 PM »
Looks nice, but a big question is... HOW THE HELL DID YOU GET SO MANY FACES AND VERTICES? That one vehicle has more faces and vertices than an entire town in Skyrim.
BAM! You've been facehugged! Have a great day!

Offline Sirbomber

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3162
    • http://
Re: Lynx 3d Model
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2016, 10:01:58 AM »
And if anybody wants usable game versions I will have to build some lower polygon versions, the tires alone are responsible for over 40'000 faces and vertices.

Sheesh

I would imagine that partly answers your question.  :P
"As usual, colonist opinion is split between those who think the plague is a good idea, and those who are dying from it." - Outpost Evening Star

Outpost 2 Coding 101 Tutorials

"Outpost 2: The Campaigns Are Okay, But The Novella Just Flames Everyone" progress:
Campaign 1 - 40%
Campaign 2 - 0%
Etc. - (insert arbitrary value here)%

It could only cost you your life, and you got that for free!

Offline lordpalandus

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 402
Re: Lynx 3d Model
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2016, 12:07:56 PM »
Is that 40000 for all 6 tires, or 40000 per tire :P
BAM! You've been facehugged! Have a great day!

Offline dave_erald

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 245
Re: Lynx 3d Model
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2016, 01:05:34 PM »
I believe that was all 6



And yeah that was in the early phases of me learning Blender and realizing all the detail doesn't have to be in the structure of the tire. That and mostly me just dickin around learning which accounts for the unreal numbers. Now that I kinda got a better idea of structure, sizing and construction I can avoid being so 'liberal' with minor shit like tires
I wrote a novella on this site, I can sorta code...

Outpost2 - Life at the End- 2015
Edits will show up in red

- David R.V.

Offline lordpalandus

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 402
Re: Lynx 3d Model
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2016, 01:11:00 PM »
And here I had thought you had accidently subdivided something far too many times.

Generally, unless you are up close and personal with the tires (ie a first person shooter) then putting detail into tires is important. But, if you consider the top-down perspective for Outpost 2, you can barely see the tires and thus not much point in having excess detail for something that can't be seen anyway.
BAM! You've been facehugged! Have a great day!

Offline dave_erald

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 245
Re: Lynx 3d Model
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2016, 01:15:50 PM »
No objections.


This model was more of a test for me, and yeah I subdivided the hell out of tread block, spun it into a circle, multiplied it and stuck it on the truck

I hope to get back to this and finish some more up
I wrote a novella on this site, I can sorta code...

Outpost2 - Life at the End- 2015
Edits will show up in red

- David R.V.