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« on: October 29, 2011, 12:11:24 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...d&v=citzRjwk-sQ

Youtube link to the ACTA program.

"If ACTA comes into effect there will be NO schools because it will be ILLEGAL for teachers to teach the students what they learned in college or from books. "


ACTA is, in my opinion bad.  It makes me worry that we might not be able to have the op2 download site anymore.  The patents would shut it down, even if the company doesn't care, the law would say it's illegal.


ACTA is Anti Counterfitting Treaty Agreement

http://www.ustr.gov/acta

The US Signed it Oct 1st.  :\ stupid underground stuff.
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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2011, 12:26:51 PM »
I thought we were all suppose to die in Y2K. I guess we can't believe everything we hear.
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2011, 01:33:01 PM »
It would help if your link worked, or if you gave more than just initials.
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2011, 01:36:44 PM »
Sorry, fixed it, added a second link.  Your welcome Hidiot.  

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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2011, 03:36:06 PM »
I think they are trying some of this in the name of music/film idustry here in Europe.. So far ain't going too well for them
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2011, 01:27:20 AM »
No matter the regulations, they will never be able to stop the internet from doing its thing. The force of numbers guarantees that, whether good or not.
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2011, 04:42:37 AM »
Although imo ACTA is a bad thing I don't yet understand why and how it will effect us. Can someone explain?

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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2011, 07:33:16 PM »
As Hidiot stated, the sheer numbers on the internet makes anything like this moot.  There are so many ways to hide your ass online anymore that, even if they started tracking everyone, they would hit a brick wall.  Furthermore, I have to wonder how many of the people who pushed it would be arrested under it...
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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2011, 07:52:00 PM »
Well, as far as I'm aware, ANY form of copy-written material on your computer, yes, even the OP2 logo downloaded off of Google images somewhere, can be a reason to deny you internet access.

This doesn't just effect the internet, seeing as you can copy-write phrases and words, so that the phrase 'I want to copy-write this' can be copy-written, and then be unusable to everyone but that person.  

Now, that is insane surely, but that was something put in there to apease musicians to help copy-write lyrics.  Oh wait, that means your favorite covers of songs are now illegal content??  Or so it would seem to me..

Generic drugs are hurt, seeing as they might get kicked off the shelves, and then we have to buy name-brand drugs that can set prices sky-high.

Something else that sets me off, the fact that this is to remove pirates... well, to be honest, if pirates really wanted something, they would do 1 of 2 things
1: create their own internet 'knockoff' or some other data transfer means
2: Find a way to spoof the devices that check for copy-protected material being transfered.

Technically, if you think about it, its unconstitutional, and enables them to watch us.  Monitor phone calls, what we do on the internet, what TV shows we watch... I'm sorry, but I want my conversations between me and my girlfriend to be PRIVATE, not someone elses Info...

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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2011, 02:56:28 AM »
Let me rephrase my question: what means ACTA for opu? What will it change for opu? And how?

What I got so far is, opu members could be denied internet access. Anything else?

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Technically, if you think about it, its unconstitutional, and enables them to watch us.  Monitor phone calls, what we do on the internet, what TV shows we watch... I'm sorry, but I want my conversations between me and my girlfriend to be PRIVATE, not someone elses Info...
Thats the right thinking. So, you don't use aim/msn/icq or any other commercial interest chat service. You don't use facebook or other social networks, you don't use skype, you don't use google, you don't have an account for youtube, you don't click links to random stuff that your friends find funny, and so on?

This is slightly off topic, so it should probably be continued in another thread if it is continued.

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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2011, 12:17:05 PM »
I would like to hear more about how it functions, not what its effects are.
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2011, 11:52:56 PM »
Yeah, this thread sounds really biased. It's saying a lot against something without ever explaining what is even being spoken about. Perhaps a clear explaination about what it is (and isn't) would be in order? I'd be more interested in what exactly this agreement is about and what measures are to be put in place, rather than speculation on what effects some unknown agreement will supposedly have.

According to the link, the goal is:
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The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) is a groundbreaking initiative by key trading partners to strengthen the international legal framework for effectively combating global proliferation of commercial-scale counterfeiting and piracy.


There is a link to a 25 page document that apparently contains the text of the agreement. I suppose that isn't very long as most legal agreements go, so I suppose someone's whose interested could read it an summarize it? I don't much care to read the thing in detail, but I scanned through it briefly, and it seems to be more concerned with copyright infringement for commercial gain. That to me implies there is no real relevance to OPU, as there is no commercial gain involved here.
 

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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2011, 12:24:05 AM »
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There is a link to a 25 page document that apparently contains the text of the agreement. I suppose that isn't very long as most legal agreements go, so I suppose someone's whose interested could read it an summarize it? I don't much care to read the thing in detail, but I scanned through it briefly, and it seems to be more concerned with copyright infringement for commercial gain. That to me implies there is no real relevance to OPU, as there is no commercial gain involved here.
Even if it is not primarily concerned with non-commercial copyright infringement, it is possible that it covers that unintendedly. Thats why I'd appreciate a summary from someone with legal knowledge.

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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2011, 02:54:31 PM »
In short, the ACTA program will enable anyone who does anything to a copyright to be taken into court for fines and such, if not, worse.  It also holds the internet and phone services accountable for what YOU do.  So they can deny you access if you have something breaking copyright laws.  How would they know this? Not entirely explained int the document.  And they can monitor packets of data sent through their servers.  If the find anything copy-protected being sent, it will give you a warning, and if you get X amount of warnings, you lose internet connection.  Phone companies can monitor you as well.  From the information I've gathered, it was SUPPOSED to be something that would stop pirates and ONLY pirates.  Now it can stop anyone who has ever watched a music video on youtube.  Its stupid, and has become over constricted.  And seeing as it was done behind all our backs tells us that either they were up to no good, or they just want us to have no say in it whatsoever.  39 countries don't just go 'Lets do this in secret' for no reason...


EDIT: It was also designed to regulate copyright laws.  It did that by over-enforcing things and enabling anyone to get patents and copyrights on things.  You can't improve something without getting direct consent from the copyright or patent owner for 'tampering and damaging the original' and getting imprisonment and fines.
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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2012, 02:04:11 PM »
Tossing in something I came across in some newspaper :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZadCj8O1-0
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« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2012, 11:09:55 PM »
Heh, that was kind of amusing. :)