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Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: ray on February 04, 2010, 10:37:04 AM
Felt like doing something a bit different to all the other projects that seem to be going on here.  The idea of this project is to create a clone of outpost 2 which will run on on the iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad.  I started this project a couple of weeks back and so far its going well.

For version one I am going to have the following restrictions:
Single player only with no AI opponents
A single map (I am using the beach party multiplayer map for this)
Eden only
No disasters
Simplified graphics (like outpost 2 with ambient animations and shadows off)
Tile at a time scrolling
Some units/structures removed (due to no combat, disasters, or multiplayer)

To start with I am using the graphics from the original game, but in order to release this they would need to be replaced in order to get this one the app store due to copyright issues.

I currently have the map loading, and momentum based scrolling works (in the same way that most scrolling on iPhone works, if you lift your finger off while it is moving then scrolling will continue allowing you to scroll quickly).  Structures can be defined on the map and display correctly, although I only have the texture for the command center sorted out at the moment.

Next step for me is to sort out the rest of the structure textures and make sure they all display correctly, then I will move on to add bulldozed squares and tubes.

Obviously the user interface will be significantly different to the original due to screen size restraints, but I have some ideas for that which you will be able to see just as soon as I have any of it implemented.

If anyone is wondering about my capability to achieve this, I write software for a living, including some that is run on handheld touchscreen devices, so I have done user interface design for stuff like this in the past.

Anyway, the following two screenshots were taken on my iPhone running the latest build:

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l244/ray648/IMG_0088.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l244/ray648/IMG_0089.jpg)

I hope to be able to post semi regular updates on this.
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: Freeza-CII on February 04, 2010, 11:37:03 AM
hehe i would becareful with that one you could get into trouble. or at very least apple will not let you share the app.

and if those are your apps i know you play eve lol.
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: ray on February 04, 2010, 11:48:27 AM
Yeah, I admit to playing eve.  Gives me something to do when I need a break from my projects.

I don't intend to let this anywhere near the app store with any of the original resources in it.  Names, artwork, and sounds will all need replacing to avoid copyright issues, at that point I think it will be ok.  If not then I can still play it myself and put it on my friend's phones with the ad hoc method of distribution.  Theres always the jailbreak route too if needs be.  As long as the resulting game isn't too obviously outpost 2 then it should be fine.
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: ray on February 06, 2010, 04:14:09 AM
Update!!!

Additional buildings added (there are others which aren't in the picture), and bulldozed tiles now display correctly.  Tubes next.

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l244/ray648/IMG_0090.jpg)
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: Kayedon on February 06, 2010, 12:36:10 PM
Copyright law: If someone can distinguish the difference, you're free to develop.

If anyone can sit down and say "This is that" then have fun in jail.
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: Hooman on February 07, 2010, 03:41:53 PM
Uhh, considering this site is still running after all these years, you probably don't need to be so negative about copyright stuff. Besides, he did say he'd change the media if anything was going to be released.

I think it's rather interesting.


Btw, how did you rip the graphics?
 
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: Spikerocks101 on February 07, 2010, 04:16:28 PM
i second hoomans question
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: ray on February 08, 2010, 06:35:44 AM
To get the images I extracted the vol file using revolver, then extracted all the images from the bitmap file using one of the image extracters written by you guys.  I forget which one it was that worked but I got one of them to eventually.  The map was duplicated from pieced together screenshots of a land rush game where no one built anything, then split into tiles by a small script I wrote.  I'm not going to worry too much about loading maps from the original game since I intend to use a whole new set of maps and tiles at some point, I just needed to do one so I would have something to work with for now.  If people are having trouble with image extraction, and someone has some online space, I'll happily upload the extracted images.

The actual images used in the app are edited from the ones in the extract to be in png format using the alpha channel for transparency.  All structure image files are square with a width and height which is a power of 2 (As recommended in the iphone sdk for compression reasons).  The actual structure is contained in the image such that when the image is lined up with the tiles on the map, the structure will appear in the right place, although different structures have different offsets (measured in tiles), which the image must be drawn at.  If people are interested then these image files can also be uploaded somewhere.

There are no new features as such yet, but I have changed the code so that when structures are placed on the map it will automatically bulldoze the area around and underneath them, as well as preventing structures being placed too close together.  There are currently nine working structures, with the rest to follow shortly.  I can't find the tube images in the extract so thats another screenshot job.  I think I'm spending more time messing about with images than I am actually coding.  Here's another screenshot, not that it shows anything new, I just like making the thread look pretty.

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l244/ray648/IMG_0091.jpg)
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: Hidiot on February 08, 2010, 07:33:49 AM
The OP2 mapper made by BlackBox contains the full tile set, including tubes, walls, ice and stuff.


Hmm... The A Lab looks weirdly small. The Residence looks a bit offset towards the top. Then again, the Eden residence does that in the PC game too, so maybe it's just me.


Well, good luck with the project.
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: ray on February 08, 2010, 08:53:11 AM
Thanks, I'll download the mapper now and take a look.

I've double checked the advanced lab and residence against screenshots of the game and although they may look slightly odd, they are the same as the original.

Tubes are now working, although their behaviour is not quite like that of the original since they are calculated on the fly when drawing the map.  For example, if there is a t junction connecting a tube travelling from east to west to a light tower, and that light tower is destroyed, the t junction tile will become a regular east west tube tile.  I'm going to leave it this way for the sake of keeping the code as simple as possible since it doesn't affect gameplay.

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l244/ray648/IMG_0092.jpg)
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: Hidiot on February 08, 2010, 09:11:48 AM
Hmm, you're actually right.

Ok, that only leaves the half-missing radar dish off of the CC
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: Hooman on February 08, 2010, 10:51:41 AM
Hmm, looking very nice.
 
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: ray on February 10, 2010, 05:04:17 AM
Update

Structure status indicators now display, although current there is no way for a structure to go offline.  Also you can select a structure by touching it.  I am aware that the status indicators are in the wrong place on some structures, but since its obvious which structure they apply to, I don't want to be spending too much time making it look perfect when the artwork will be changed at some point anyway.  I am more worried about making it work perfectly, than making it display perfectly, that can come later.

Next I will implement workers, scientists and power as ways for a structure to go offline.

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l244/ray648/IMG_0096.jpg)
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: CK9 on February 10, 2010, 08:49:23 AM
I must applaud you both for the number of updates you are giving us and the fact that you are still working on this :)
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: ray on February 10, 2010, 09:41:32 AM
Thanks for the words of encouragement.

Buildings will now disable due to lack of workers, scientists, or power.  Also a solar power array will disable if there are not enough solar satellites to support it.

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l244/ray648/IMG_0097.jpg)
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: Moley on February 10, 2010, 04:33:12 PM
just wondering if it would be possiable to port to Zune Hd?
if possible i wouild be willing to translate for you...
Zune apps are writnen in C#..
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: Arklon on February 10, 2010, 04:37:25 PM
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just wondering if it would be possiable to port to Zune Hd?
if possible i wouild be willing to translate for you...
Zune apps are writnen in C#..
I really don't think the market is there for Zune.
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: Sirbomber on February 10, 2010, 05:05:01 PM
What's Zune?
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: Arklon on February 10, 2010, 05:10:06 PM
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What's Zune?
Exactly.
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: Sirbomber on February 10, 2010, 05:14:56 PM
Owned?
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: Moley on February 10, 2010, 05:56:23 PM
ummm... me?
i would love to play this on my zune...
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: Arklon on February 10, 2010, 06:46:13 PM
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ummm... me?
i would love to play this on my zune...
iPhone and Mac apps are written in C (or C++?) I believe. Porting it to C#, and to use the Zune SDK, would require a complete rewrite.
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: ray on February 11, 2010, 12:44:56 AM
Thoughts on the zune hd...

Currently, like all iPhone games, this program is written in objective c and uses opengl es.  A zune version would have to be written in c#.  Since the zune also supports opengl, and I have very strong knowledge of c#, that is actually the easy part.  Although it would be time consuming, the process of converting the code would be relatively simple.  However, there are other problems, like the screen resolution.  While the iPhone screen is exactly 15x10 tiles, the zune hd is 15x8.5, and that causes a problem because that would either have to become 15x8, or I would have to add per pixel scrolling in order for people to be able to see the top half of the top row of tiles on the map (currently the bottom left of the display will always line up with the edge of the tiles).  Then we come to the biggest problem of all: I do not have a zune HD, and neither do I have any way to get one since they are not available in the uk. I also don't have spare money to spend on one anyway.  In short, maybe if someone were to send me a zune hd and a ton of beer or something I might think about it.



Update

I've started work on the user interface for structures.  Touching a structure will select it.  Touching a structure that is already selected will produce a pop up telling you about the structure and allow you to build stuff/research/whatever.  Touching anywhere outside the pop up will close it and return to the normal map view.  All that other stuff I said I was working on works too (scientists/workers/power).

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l244/ray648/IMG_0099.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l244/ray648/IMG_0100.jpg)
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: Larrythepoet on March 04, 2010, 08:02:34 PM
What does capsuleer do?

EDIT: Nevermind...  
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: Sirbomber on March 13, 2010, 04:17:53 PM
So this project seems pretty cool, but I'm a little discouraged that it won't have multiplayer.

Then again, it doesn't really effect my either way.  I don't have an iPhone, so...
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: Arklon on March 13, 2010, 05:51:45 PM
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So this project seems pretty cool, but I'm a little discouraged that it won't have multiplayer.

Then again, it doesn't really effect my either way.  I don't have an iPhone, so...
Multiplayer iPhone games exist, but only over LAN on wifi or bluetooth that I've seen so far. I don't think it'd be impossible to do multi over the internet, though.
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: Freeza-CII on March 13, 2010, 09:58:22 PM
i am impressed.  But i am always skeptical. you have been spared from my chainsaws teeth.
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: WooJoo on March 14, 2010, 05:12:34 PM
@Arklon

wifi generaly got the option to be an gateway to the internet

+

there are already a few mmo games for the iphone and android systems
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: ray on March 15, 2010, 09:29:38 AM
Been working on figuring out a few things behind the scenes that I will need later on, so there is further progress, just not of the visible variety.

Concerning multiplayer... just because I am not planning multiplayer now does not mean it can not happen later on.  The reason the spec list is as it is in order to give me something to aim for that doesn't seem too far out of reach.  Once thats all done and working then I may move on to add more advanced feature.
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: CK9 on March 15, 2010, 09:31:51 AM
such as multi-platform compatability for multiplayer? :P
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: ray on March 16, 2010, 03:13:02 AM
We will see about that, maybe eventually against my version ported to other platforms, but definately not against the original version.
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: ducktape on March 16, 2010, 03:35:00 AM
Aren't iPhone apps done in objective C? If so, wouldn't porting be a fairly (comparitively?) easy process? ....relatively speaking of course. Regardless, I like the looks of the project, keep up the good work. :)
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: BlackBox on March 21, 2010, 02:31:06 PM
Looks promising. If time permits (probably not now but maybe in the near future), I would be interested in helping port it to the Android platform (I have an HTC G1 smartphone).

I am pretty sure iPhone apps are written in Objective-C, android development is done in a modified version of Java (the core language elements are the same but the runtime lib is different). I know that android also allows native libraries to be used and loaded (it's linux based so they are just .so that are written in C/C++ and can be loaded from the java application; you can't execute a native binary directly in any way that I know of that's not a console app).

Porting could be an issue here cause there is no real common ground between the two platforms (if iPhone had some kind of native library support you could write a large amount of the game logic in C/C++ and then all the rest involving interaction with the platform would be in the high level language). Of course if other platforms became targets (only ones I can really think of would be palm OS, symbian, and windows mobile; I don't know that there would really be that many users of these platforms) there could be additional porting work involved.

Multiplayer support would be cool. Due to the nature of it running on a mobile device, we would probably need some kind of central server to mediate games (in many cases it might have to relay the data between clients I would imagine). Should this be the case you would be welcome to run such a server here at OPU.

Multiplayer with the original OP2 client would be really cool (though I don't think we know all the details of the network protocol; we know a bit about initiating/joining games and sending messages during a game, not much else I don't think). In addition it would have to play almost exactly the same as the original client so that the game state on both sides would stay in sync.

In any case, keep up the good work, looks pretty cool so far.
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: WooJoo on March 21, 2010, 05:48:11 PM
an android port would be realy cool even if it would only be something like a little sim city like simulation would be

if you havnt checked the android options you should check the android sdk
its realy nice and even allows hardware emulation out of the box so you wouldnt need a real phone for testing purpose
Title: Outpost 2 On Iphone
Post by: Moley on March 21, 2010, 05:57:29 PM
and just because others have brought it up again...
i will help port to Zune HD if you want...